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Sister Elizabeth Johnson: ‘The Waste of Time on This Investigation is Unconscionable’
Religion News Service ^ | 8/15/14 | Heidi Hall

Posted on 08/16/2014 1:34:07 PM PDT by marshmallow

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (RNS) A nun who drew U.S. Catholic bishops’ ire with what they consider radical feminist writings fired back Friday (Aug. 15), saying their investigation of women’s orders is wasteful when financial mismanagement and sexual abuses are being covered up.

Sister Elizabeth Johnson, a theology professor at Fordham University, accepted the Leadership Conference of Women Religious’ top award and then lambasted bishops for criticism of her book “Quest for the Living God,” saying it appears they’ve never read it.

“To this day, no one, not myself or the theological community, the media or the general public knows what doctrinal issue is at stake,” she told the Nashville assembly of about about 900 sisters representing 80 percent of the nation’s nuns.

In her 20-minute acceptance speech, followed by a standing ovation, Johnson suggested the conference’s support of her work prompted the investigation by the church’s top enforcer of orthodoxy, the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith.

Johnson’s book includes chapters on black and feminist theology and interfaith engagement. She said book sales skyrocketed after the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops criticized it.

The LCWR has been undergoing a Vatican-ordered doctrinal investigation since 2009. In 2012, the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith ordered nun’s group to reform its statutes and appointed Seattle Archbishop J. Peter Sartain to oversee changes, including a rewrite of the group’s charter and approval of all speakers at future assemblies.

In April, a top Vatican official warned the LCWR that in recognizing Johnson it would provoke the Holy See.

“When the moral authority of the hierarchy is hemorrhaging due to financial scandals and many bishops who … cover up sexual abuse of children, a cover up that continues in some quarters to this day, and thousands are drifting away from the church … the.......

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In April, a top Vatican official warned the LCWR that in recognizing Johnson it would provoke the Holy See.

The LCWR knows that Card. Muller and the CDF are dangling in the wind. +Francis' and Muller are not on the same page and the LCWR knows it. +Francis is too busy knocking the bejabbers out of the FFI.

1 posted on 08/16/2014 1:34:07 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
From Our Lady's Warriors

Sr. Elizabeth Johnson

Promotes Women priests.

Cardinal Roger Mahoney
(Los Angeles, CA)

Sponsors a "Religious Education Congress" stuffed to the gills with dissenting speakers. The recent session on April 7-9, 2000 had those such as: Sr. Elizabeth Johnson, Bishop Samuel Ruiz Garcia, Sr. Fran Ferder, Sr. Barbara Fiand, Fr. Richard Rohr, Fr. Patrick Brennan, Dr. Diana Hayes, Bishop Ken Untener, Bishop Robert Morneau, Fr. Thomas Reese, Fr. Michael Crosby, Megan McKenna.


2 posted on 08/16/2014 1:42:51 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Just my humble opinion,

of an outsider looking in...

...without ILLEGAL immigration,

...the numbers for the Catholic Church in the United States

of America...

would have fallen through the floor. PERIOD


3 posted on 08/16/2014 2:08:59 PM PDT by DavidLSpud ("Go and sin no more"-Rejoice always, pray continually...)
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To: marshmallow
... their investigation of women’s orders is wasteful when financial mismanagement and sexual abuses are being covered up.

And next it will be wasteful when every person on earth still doesn't have his own apartment and a Cadillac. These people don't care about financial waste.

They also don't care about sexual abuse: they don't think there's anything wrong with consensual intergenerational same-sex intimacy.

4 posted on 08/16/2014 2:42:16 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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To: marshmallow

Sister Elizabeth sounds like a democrat, “why are you looking at me, hey they did it first, look at them look at them”


5 posted on 08/16/2014 3:12:20 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1
Sister Elizabeth is a great example of the very WORST that came out of all the reforms the Church made.

I grew up with Catholic nuns and the old bats were irritating even back then. They were just too many pompous old biddies who forgot what their vows were.
I have fond memories of NONE of them--no nun-pun intended.

True story. I was a freshman at a local Catholic girls high school. I had been outside at lunch and came back from lunch with PINK cheeks. What do you expect, I was 14 years old.
Sister Annoying told me to go wash the rouge off my cheeks. Lol. I never argued with them. It was useless. SO I went into the bathroom and SCRUBBED my cheeks--VIGOROUSLY.
Yep, you guess it: I made them EVEN REDDER than they were before. When I returned to class Sister Annoying saw me and said...nothing. Lol!!!
Besides my dad was SO strict that I wasn't allowed to wear ANY make-up until I was 16 years old. If she had had any brains she would have KNOWN that my cheeks were from being outside. She didn't like me and the feeling was mutual.

It PROBABLY had to do with the little "lottery" she held in class. It was a trick to get us to do our religion homework. I won the lottery and had THREE "excuses" from homework in her religion class.
I saved them until we had a horrifically big homework assignment. I UNDOUBTEDLY pranced up to her and, with a look of SMIRK and SMUG on my face, gave her one of those excuses. Lol. Was THAT ever fun.

You KNOW that this is true because I couldn't have made up something so silly.

6 posted on 08/16/2014 4:14:55 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: marshmallow

These Sisters are like a Fifth Column within the Church attempting to change doctrine. They must be seriously challenged.


7 posted on 08/16/2014 6:07:49 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: cloudmountain
I grew up with Catholic nuns and the old bats were irritating even back then. They were just too many pompous old biddies who forgot what their vows were. I have fond memories of NONE of them--no nun-pun intended.

May God bless those good nuns for dedicating their lives to teaching the Catholic faith to young children.

I UNDOUBTEDLY pranced up to her and, with a look of SMIRK and SMUG on my face, gave her one of those excuses. Lol. Was THAT ever fun.

May God forgive those who abused them and to this day speak ill of them.

8 posted on 08/16/2014 6:18:29 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
May God forgive those who abused them and to this day speak ill of them.

And may the Almighty forgive you for the inaccurate, cruel, useless, vain, arrogant assumptions YOU make about people you don't know.

9 posted on 08/16/2014 6:25:11 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

I was taught by nuns for eight years. Some were nice, some were less nice; but they all fortified my Catholic faith.

One thing I noticed was that most of the girls who sassed the nuns ended up being bad girls; pregnant, drug addicts, etc., or bitter people, who to this day, speak ill of them and attack others who try to defend them.


10 posted on 08/16/2014 6:43:20 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Steelfish

Archbishop Sartain needs our prayers. He has a spine, it’s just that the sisters are not listening or obeying.


11 posted on 08/16/2014 6:45:05 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

But there comes a time for action when the Sisters persist in doing so.


12 posted on 08/16/2014 6:46:48 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

I thought about that as I typed my answer to you.

I’m thinking that either Archbishop Sartain or the Pope will simply dissolve some of these orders if they keep refusing to obey.

Possibility?


13 posted on 08/16/2014 6:49:01 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cloudmountain
cruel, useless, vain, arrogant assumptions YOU

Were you listening to your nuns on the proper use of adjectives?

14 posted on 08/16/2014 6:50:51 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Salvation

Can’t wait. The Vatican must send a clear message.


15 posted on 08/16/2014 6:50:59 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: cloudmountain
And may the Almighty forgive you for the inaccurate, cruel, useless, vain, arrogant assumptions YOU make about people you don't know.

I do know those people. And I'm speaking to one now, who has described her distaste for the teaching nuns of the past.

16 posted on 08/16/2014 6:55:59 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: cloudmountain; ebb tide

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


17 posted on 08/16/2014 7:01:58 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: ebb tide

MMMMMMmmmmmmmmWwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!


18 posted on 08/16/2014 7:12:00 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Take it up with the Moderator.


19 posted on 08/16/2014 7:21:23 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: DavidLSpud

Do not count out the Catholic Church. There is a NEW evangelization that has begun, THANKS be to God.


20 posted on 08/17/2014 3:27:48 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: cloudmountain

Very early this morning, I got up at about 3:15 AM, could not sleep. Good thing I went to the vigil mass last night. Turned on the tv and watched a bit of the closing mass for the Asian Catholic Youth gathering in South Korea. Beautiful country South Korea.

While I drink my first cup of coffee this morning, while the camera was panning around, had seen what was a small group of young adult women in traditional religious habits, I believe South Korean.

God Bless the young people of the Church who are showing this baby boomer the NEED to WAKE UP and REDISCOVER ONES FAITH!


21 posted on 08/17/2014 3:38:19 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: cloudmountain

Thank-you also for your sharing and God Bless!


22 posted on 08/17/2014 3:43:15 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Salvation

I think what will happen is that those sisters who do not obey the directives of the Church will be let go of their vows.

Another possible answer could be that those orders that have become too radical as you have refered to could end up be dissolved and instead be rebuilt on the CONDITION that TRADITIONAL practices be brought back such as WEARING a habit and the enforcement of the vows.


23 posted on 08/17/2014 3:54:51 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: cloudmountain

Just put eib tide on mental ignore.


24 posted on 08/17/2014 3:57:15 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: ebb tide

One of my friends from a few years ago was a registered nurse at the VA hospital. She asked me what faith I was and I told her that I going to RCIA classes and that I was going to become Catholic. She said “why Catholic”. I told her why and she said “well let me tell you honey, I was born and raised Catholic and went to all the classes when I was a kid and graduated from a Catholic School”. Then the big “but” came. She said “but when I started to college and got out in the real world I knew the Catholic Church was not for me. I am so much happier now knowing that I am the one that decides my own fate, there is no one up above that is going to take care of me, it’s up to me and no one else”. She goes on to say it was so uplifting to her that she didn’t have to “feel guilty” anymore because she only had herself to blame if something went wrong. So needless to say she was a very liberal pro-abortion democrat, who occasionally emails me and thinks the sun rises and sets on Obama. Sort of funny because last year she got real sick and was emailing all her friends asking for prayers and talking about her “guardian angel”.


25 posted on 08/17/2014 8:58:40 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: cloudmountain

Some of the finest young men that I had the pleasure of working with in the military were lifelong Catholics that had a full 12 month Catholic education. One in particular stands out in my mind. He was as sharp as a tack, went to Mass regularly, every day if he could, and never badmouthed anyone, always the polite gentleman. We would go to the mess hall for lunch and he would always say Grace before eating. Most of the guys would just stare at him. He would politely bow his head and say a quiet prayer before eating. He drank water with his meals, ate no desert, just the basic meat and vegetables. He stayed in tip-top shape and was the fastest 10K runner on the base. I asked him once about growing up and his influences. Without hesitating he said “my parents and the nuns at the school I attended”. He retired at 20 years as a Chief Master Sergeant at 20 years. Quite an accomplishment.


26 posted on 08/17/2014 9:32:30 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Biggirl

That’s the third time now. When will you stick to your promises?


27 posted on 08/17/2014 9:50:55 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: NKP_Vet
Some of the finest young men that I had the pleasure of working with in the military were lifelong Catholics that had a full 12 month Catholic education.
One in particular stands out in my mind. He was as sharp as a tack, went to Mass regularly, every day if he could, and never badmouthed anyone, always the polite gentleman. We would go to the mess hall for lunch and he would always say Grace before eating. Most of the guys would just stare at him. He would politely bow his head and say a quiet prayer before eating. He drank water with his meals, ate no desert, just the basic meat and vegetables. He stayed in tip-top shape and was the fastest 10K runner on the base.
I asked him once about growing up and his influences. Without hesitating he said “my parents and the nuns at the school I attended”. He retired at 20 years as a Chief Master Sergeant at 20 years. Quite an accomplishment.

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I'll say. Kudos for him!

28 posted on 08/17/2014 12:24:47 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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