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College Prof Calls Catholic Church Barbaric, Sexist, and Medieval
Creative Minority Reporta ^ | August 20, 2014 | Matthew Archbold

Posted on 08/20/2014 2:02:05 PM PDT by NYer

Professor Jerry A. Coyne, professor of Ecology and Evolution at The University of Chicago, wrote one of the nastiest anti-Catholic diatribes I've read in a while; painting the Church as barbaric, sexist, and medieval and accusing it for torturing women. And then because he was still feeling it, he compared the Church to the most evilest of organizations in his estimation - The National Rifle Association.

Insert gasp here.

And The New Republic saw nothing wrong with this and decided to publish it.

The issue at hand has to do with a woman in Ireland (but not a citizen there) who wanted to abort her child but was refused even after she threatened suicide. She even went on a hunger strike and in order to protect her and the child she was forcibly hydrated. At 25 weeks, she ultimately consented to delivering the child.

Coyne wrote:

This whole scenario conjures up images of the Catholic Inquisition: women tied to boards and tortured. This poor victim, after having been raped and forced from her native land, was then strapped down, intubated, and forced to serve as an incubator for a fetus that nobody wants—save the Catholic Church. And of course the Church had no problems with the previous law preventing all abortions, nor apparently with the present law that won’t allow abortion if a woman harbors a deformed fetus, or one produced by rape or incest. Even if the woman is suicidal or her life otherwise endangered by the pregnancy, the law's “preserve-unborn-life” clause always offers a loophole.

Official Catholicism has long been left in the dust by society’s opinions about women’s rights. This case has made palpably clear the Church’s barbarity and lack of concern for the well-being of pregnant women at the expense of Church doctrine. The people of Ireland want a liberalization of Ireland’s abortion laws, as does the United Nations, which claims that Irish law treats women like “vessels.” Only the Church, clinging to its antiquated view of “unborn human life,” objects.

How long can an institution continue to force a medieval morality on a country that doesn’t want it? Apparently, for many years. But it’s time for the people of Ireland to reject the retrograde and sexist mentality of Catholicism. Given the power of the Church in Ireland—similar to the power of the National Rifle Association in the U.S., which overrides the will of the people by threatening legislators with defeat—abortion reform will be slow. But even the Church must eventually bow to reason and public opinion.
No surprise that Coyne is an avowed atheist. So when Coyne says "reason and public opinion" I'm pretty sure he means "you do what I say."


TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Culture
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1 posted on 08/20/2014 2:02:05 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 08/20/2014 2:02:23 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer

Meanwhile, I’m certain the prof thinks of Islam as cultured, enlightened, and modern.


3 posted on 08/20/2014 2:03:14 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: NYer

Professor of ecology and evolution ... is that even a degree?


4 posted on 08/20/2014 2:03:38 PM PDT by dartuser
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To: NYer

Chicago. City of Evil. Soon to pass Ithaca.


5 posted on 08/20/2014 2:03:43 PM PDT by albie
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To: NYer

And his Free Republic name is...


6 posted on 08/20/2014 2:05:28 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: NYer

lol

and what does he think of Islam?


7 posted on 08/20/2014 2:06:02 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: NYer

just looked at his picture , LOl he’s a Knuckle Dragger


8 posted on 08/20/2014 2:08:28 PM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: NYer

Does he have anything to say about Islam, or is he too skeered to?


9 posted on 08/20/2014 2:08:40 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: GeronL

This is what passes off for scholarly writings these days. The decay of the academe. What’s his salary?


10 posted on 08/20/2014 2:10:21 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: NYer

Whats wrong with medieval ?
I like medieval.


11 posted on 08/20/2014 2:11:50 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: dartuser

So he is a devout atheist like Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot/Kettle/Black.

Can’t really think of many atheist charities Professor.

Pray America wakes up


12 posted on 08/20/2014 2:12:10 PM PDT by bray (Palin/Bibi 2016)
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To: dartuser

Its a degree if you want it to be a degree !


13 posted on 08/20/2014 2:12:42 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Steelfish

To be fair, this sort of thing has been repeated by anti-Catholic polemicists since the 16th century. Or before.
The grounds for the complaint may vary, but the intensity of the hate is quite traditional.
The good (or not so good) professor is writing in quite an old tradition and has a lot of interesting company.


14 posted on 08/20/2014 2:15:31 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Steelfish

Seems like the decay is almost finished.

How long before “They be bad people those whites” is considered literature of highest praise?


15 posted on 08/20/2014 2:15:41 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: NYer

Poor liberals! Not being allowed to perform their blood sacrifices to Moloch.


16 posted on 08/20/2014 2:16:55 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: NYer

“....professor of Ecology and Evolution at The University of Chicago....”

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They are inventing new titles every day.


17 posted on 08/20/2014 2:18:09 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: NYer

Baby gets adopted by loving parents. Grows up and finds a cure for cancer.


18 posted on 08/20/2014 2:18:35 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: NYer

Eh. A college professor indulges in his 2 Minutes of Hate by calling the Catholic Church barbaric and Medieval, but is too much of a coward to call Islam barbaric and Medieval. So what else is new?


19 posted on 08/20/2014 2:20:31 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: bray

More than an atheist, the professor is an anti-theist (as are most of these angry “scholars”).
His faith in unwitnessed cross-species evolution is more valid than my belief in an unseen Creator.


20 posted on 08/20/2014 2:25:23 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: NYer; zot

I wonder if he considers ISIS, which is running a barbaric, sexist, kill all who don’t believe as we do, and 7th Century oriented, as better or worse than the Catholic Church.

In showing that he is a “tolerant” person, he will probably say that ISIS is quite honorable and humane and nothing near as bad as the Catholic Church.


21 posted on 08/20/2014 2:26:57 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: NYer

With a name like Coyne, this dope sounds like he is Irish by ancestry. Why, he undoubtedly had Christian and even Catholic ancestors? Alienate from his heritage as Coyne id. he is making Satan proud. He must be a sensation in the faculty lounge.


22 posted on 08/20/2014 2:29:10 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Roast 'em Danno!)
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To: molson209
I think he studies evolution because apparently his family missed out on it.
23 posted on 08/20/2014 2:30:48 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchillcide)
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To: BlackElk

Atheism[edit]
Born to Jewish parents, Coyne considers himself a secular Jew,[14] and an outspoken proponent of atheism, metaphysical naturalism and the conflict thesis. He claims that religion and science are fundamentally incompatible, that only rational evaluation of evidence is capable of reliably discovering the world and the way it works, and that scientists who hold religious views are only reflective of the idea “that people can hold two conflicting notions in their heads at the same time”. He has argued that the incompatibility of science and faith is based on irreconcilable differences in methodology, philosophy, and outcomes when they try to discern truths about the universe.

As well as evolution-related topics, his blog Why Evolution Is True,[15] discusses atheism, the incompatibility of science and religion, science, and other topics. He has frequently participated in public forums and cross-fire debates with theists.

Source: Wikipedia


24 posted on 08/20/2014 2:33:02 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

LOL! I have a suspicion of at least two who are nodding approval at this stupid hit piece!


25 posted on 08/20/2014 2:34:44 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

Caveman ............... I see what you mean!


26 posted on 08/20/2014 2:40:07 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: NYer
Did the college professor really write this?:

most evilest

LOL

27 posted on 08/20/2014 2:41:31 PM PDT by piusv
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To: NYer

Yes, just the other day I read that altar boys were beheading people.


28 posted on 08/20/2014 2:54:05 PM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: NYer

if that diatribe weren’t so sick, it would almost be funny....a person who has NO IDEA of what he is talking about decides to preach morality to Catholics...good luck there....Catholics have believed and taught against killing babies for 2,000 years and will continue to do so. The University of Chicago, home of such stalwarts as Bernadine Dohrn and old what’s his name, the communist domestic terrorist...yeah, let’s listen to what they have to say.....does anyone actually attend that educational disaster area????if so, WHY?????


29 posted on 08/20/2014 2:54:48 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: NYer
Speaking of evolution, the simian-looking Coyne is one of Darwin's cruel jokes.
30 posted on 08/20/2014 2:57:26 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: piusv

No, the writer of this article, Matthew Archbold, wrote that.


31 posted on 08/20/2014 3:03:41 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

GUILTY!


32 posted on 08/20/2014 3:07:39 PM PDT by Wage Slave
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To: terycarl
That would be Bill Ayers, and they teach at Northwestern University.

Dohrn was an admirer of Charles Manson and the Manson group's methods. Manson sought to ignite an all-out race war in the United States. Source

33 posted on 08/20/2014 3:09:07 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

And his Free Republic name is...

...this college prof’s diatribe is pablum compared to some of the stuff I read on this forum...


34 posted on 08/20/2014 3:14:38 PM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: dartuser
Professor of ecology and evolution ... is that even a degree?

There was a spelling error. It's SCATOLOGY, not "ecology."

:o)

35 posted on 08/20/2014 3:17:01 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

I think he studies evolution because apparently his family missed out on it.

...priceless...


36 posted on 08/20/2014 3:17:47 PM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: NYer
On just what grounds do non-Theists condemn anything? Did some scientist somewhere discover a moral code in a test tube, microscope, or telescope?

Unfortunately, rejecting Theonomic Positivism for "natural law" invites this concept of independent morality.

37 posted on 08/20/2014 3:21:42 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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To: buwaya
1. To be fair, this sort of thing has been repeated by anti-Catholic polemicists since the 16th century. Or before.
The grounds for the complaint may vary, but the intensity of the hate is quite traditional.
The good (or not so good) professor is writing in quite an old tradition and has a lot of interesting company.

1. You mean, it started during the Protestant Reformation with/by de-frocked Catholic priest Father Martin Luther.

2. Yes, it is, a tradition of intense hatred. Perhaps it was started by Cain.

3. Of whom might his "interesting company" be comprised? I'm curious.

38 posted on 08/20/2014 3:22:22 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
And his Free Republic name is...

Oh come on now, let's be honest. It's Catholic FReepers who agree with him about evolution, not Fundamentalist Protestants.

39 posted on 08/20/2014 3:23:26 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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To: IrishBrigade
I think he studies evolution because apparently his family missed out on it.
...priceless...

GOOD one.

40 posted on 08/20/2014 3:28:12 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Kirkwood
Baby gets adopted by loving parents. Grows up and finds a cure for cancer.

Baby gets adopted by loving parents. Grows up and spends a 30 years in a boring factory job.

Baby gets adopted by loving parents. Grows up to be a career criminal, and winds up in prison.

IOW, Baby gets adopted and HAS A CHANCE TO SUCCEED OR FAIL IN LIFE. As opposed to being slaughtered in utero and having no chance at all.

41 posted on 08/20/2014 3:33:05 PM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: cloudmountain

Luther of course, Calvin, Knox, John Wesley (yes, really, and quite vicious). Lots and lots of eminent Britons of the “Age of Reason”, and hordes of Frenchmen. And the usual political suspects, including nearly every European leftist and liberal and avant-gardist of the 19th-20th century. Everyone from Garibaldi to Luis Bunuel.


42 posted on 08/20/2014 3:36:26 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya
Luther of course, Calvin, Knox, John Wesley (yes, really, and quite vicious). Lots and lots of eminent Britons of the “Age of Reason”, and hordes of Frenchmen. And the usual political suspects, including nearly every European leftist and liberal and avant-gardist of the 19th-20th century. Everyone from Garibaldi to Luis Bunuel.

It wasn't about God at all or politics. It was about MONEY and LAND.

Those institutions wanted and GOT the oodles of land that the Catholic Church owned. It was all about GREED.

43 posted on 08/20/2014 3:58:21 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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No, it wasn’t all greed, or at least not simple Henry VIII type greed. This sort of thing went on long after both the English and French states had sequestered the bulk of Church lands and given them away to their favorites.
It certainly was politics, to a degree, but even that was marginal. There was no political basis for British intellectuals and politicians to be anti-Catholic to the degree so many of them were, as the remnant English Catholics weren’t even a plausible threat to the established order after @1750. A great deal was ideology, and religion, all this being inextricable.
In continental Europe in large part it was clearly politics., as there was a Catholic-Protestant split among the European powers and factions within them. Bismark for instance (a purely political animal like no other) objected to any institution he couldn’t control, and said so, quite frankly. He stopped persecuting the Church when he figured he needed them and could make deals.
Marx (and hordes of both his predecessors and followers) on the other hand had both an ideological and practical objection to Catholicism. Others like Victor Hugo had a purely ideological-philosophical cause.
Its complicated.


44 posted on 08/20/2014 4:14:44 PM PDT by buwaya
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Its complicated.

Yes, it is.

45 posted on 08/20/2014 4:28:43 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

And this guy’s rhetorical flourishes, getting back to my point, are quite like what all those other people were saying, with a modern flavor of course. His complaints about the Church are driven by complicated mixed motives as they have always been.


46 posted on 08/20/2014 4:34:30 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya
And this guy’s rhetorical flourishes, getting back to my point, are quite like what all those other people were saying, with a modern flavor of course. His complaints about the Church are driven by complicated mixed motives as they have always been.

I get it and I agree.

47 posted on 08/20/2014 4:37:12 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

ROFLOL!


48 posted on 08/20/2014 6:06:01 PM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: trisham

Thsnks for the correction. I went to Wikipedia in repose to your post. He also had a poisonous article about Anne Coulter. I have never met her but I knew her brother John well as he was finishing high school. I don’t always agree with Anne especially in her choice of POTUS candidates. I was brought up in gritty industrial New Haven and she in ultrawealthy New Canaan. I do feel a protective attitude toward Anne on other issues.


49 posted on 08/20/2014 6:08:55 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Roast 'em Danno!)
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To: GreyFriar

Just another anti-christian professor. They’re a dime a dozen.


50 posted on 08/20/2014 6:20:30 PM PDT by zot
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