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Bishop Schneider Criticizes Wording and Some Concepts Of Vatican II
Traditional Catholic Priest ^ | 8/21/14 | Fr. Peter Carota

Posted on 08/21/2014 6:14:29 PM PDT by ebb tide

Yes we will be shunned and scorned for bringing up these important problems with Vatican II documents. But, all the prophets were shunned and killed for criticizing the leaders of the people of God, the Israelites.

We are so blessed to be traditional Catholics and to know there was a Catholic Church and many councils before 1963.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic
KEYWORDS: schneider; vcii

1 posted on 08/21/2014 6:14:29 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: BlatherNaut; piusv; Legatus


2 posted on 08/21/2014 6:15:30 PM PDT by ebb tide
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A must read: I Accuse the Council

Have you ever read this classic critique of Vatican II by Archbishop Lefebvre?

Image above: Archbishop Lefebvre with some members of the Coetus Patrum Internationalis in 1962, which was formed to resist the liberal hijacking of the Second Vatican Council.

The AP blog recently published some extracts from Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre's work, I Accuse the Council!, which examines the problems of Vatican II (1962-1965) and its post-conciliar implementation:

In the discussions which appear in these pages, nothing less than the Catholic Faith and the future of so-called Christian nations is at stake. Those who worked to disarm the truth and surrendered it to error bear a heavy responsibility.

This book is a must-read for any serious Catholic wishing to better understand the Modernist crisis and the most-common pervading liberal errors (particularly in the political sphere) and the solution for returning to the sanity of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

We offer below some excerpts from the Angelus Press blog.

Excerpts from I Accuse the Council!

Why is this book called I Accuse the Council? We have chosen this title because we are justified in asserting—a judgment based on both internal and external criticism—that the spirit which dominated the Council and which inspired so many of its ambiguous, equivocal and even clearly erroneous texts, was not that of the Holy Ghost, but the spirit of the modern world, the spirit of Liberalism, of Teilhard de Chardin, of Modernism, in opposition to the kingdom of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Submission to the official reforms and orientations coming from Rome is demanded and imposed in the name of that Council. The tendency of all of these, it will be noted, is openly Protestant and Liberal.

It is only since the Council that the Church, or at least churchmen in possession of key posts, has taken a direction definitely opposed to Tradition and to the official Magisterium of the Church.

Such men have imagined themselves to be the living Church, and mistress of the truth, with freedom to impose new dogmas advocating progress, evolution, change, and a blind, unconditional obedience on clergy and laity alike. They have turned their backs on the true Church; they have given her new institutions, a new priesthood, a new form of worship, new teachings ever in search of something fresh, and always in the name of the Council.


It is imperative, therefore, to shatter the myths which have been built up around Vatican II. This Council had wished to be a pastoral Council because of its instinctive horror for dogma, and to facilitate the official introduction of Liberal ideas into Church texts. By the time it was over, however, they had dogmatized the Council, comparing it with that of Nicaea, and claiming that it was equal, if not superior, to the Councils that had gone before it!


We are left with only one solution: to abandon these dangerous examples and cling firmly to tradition, i.e., to the official Magisterium of the Church throughout two thousand years.

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The suggested links below further demonstrate that Archbishop Lefebvre (and the SSPX) is not alone in critiquing the Second Vatican Council.

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3 posted on 08/21/2014 6:30:21 PM PDT by VitacoreVision
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4 posted on 08/21/2014 6:42:23 PM PDT by ebb tide
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What, likewise, were the accusations against the Lefebvre resistance, by the Council II participants for not going along? How were they marginalized, given their obvious love for Tradition and the Catholic traditions?

Today, one can be held suspect for even desiring the TLM, nevermind concerns for dogma and doctrine.

5 posted on 08/21/2014 6:48:12 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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Yes. All of it is basic Common Sense. It is like the Catholic Church threw out Thomistic Theology (Natural Law Theory) with Vatican II. Very disturbing and emasculating and a destruction of Truth.

The Pascendi by Pope Pius the X was illuminating also....a warning about the infiltration inside the Catholic Church. Vatican II brought in wishy-washy theology.

Fr. Oko’s Report on Homoheresy is quite eyeopening also as is a number of books published since Bella Dodd’s book.

The Pascendi from 1907, is a must read:

6 posted on 08/21/2014 8:29:44 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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Thank you for this post

7 posted on 08/21/2014 9:12:22 PM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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One can hope that this Athanasius will be as courageous as the first, but that would require him moving beyond the “ambiguity” talk.

8 posted on 08/21/2014 9:13:31 PM PDT by piusv
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Today, one can be held suspect for even desiring the TLM, nevermind concerns for dogma and doctrine.

...indeed...try this little exercise...ask the priest of your typical suburban Novus Ordo parish about the possibility of celebrating the TLM, and note well the expression on his face...

...Hell hath no fury like a modern prelate towards his tradition...

9 posted on 08/22/2014 10:24:16 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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