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Vanity: Pope Benedictís significant failure
Super Flumina | 8th December 2007óSolemnity of the Immaculate Conception | Babylonis

Posted on 08/22/2014 4:54:36 PM PDT by ebb tide

The Second Vatican Council was not evil: no Council of the Church ever is. But because it was dominated by Modernist experts, periti, the considerations of its bishops reflected their influence. Thus, the Council served as a catalyst for the resurgence of the heresy within the Church.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic
KEYWORDS: benedict; piusx

1 posted on 08/22/2014 4:54:36 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Is there more to this post? I don’t see anything.


2 posted on 08/22/2014 5:06:51 PM PDT by piusv
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To: ebb tide

Link, please.


3 posted on 08/22/2014 5:08:51 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; piusv

My apologies to all:

http://www.superflumina.org/modernism_100yrs.html


4 posted on 08/22/2014 5:12:00 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

From 2007? It’s all Benedict”s fault because he didn’t condemn freemasonry? Really?


5 posted on 08/22/2014 5:44:17 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: ebb tide

Thanks


6 posted on 08/22/2014 5:46:32 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ALPAPilot
Of all heresies, Modernism is the worst because it is, as St Pius X teaches, “the synthesis of all heresies”: its end is not just religious distortion but atheism, the explicit hatred and mockery of God.

Are you a Free Mason? You seem paranoid.

7 posted on 08/22/2014 6:11:49 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Freemasonry does NOT mock God. Every man applying to be a Mason must demonstrate that before he is ever permitted to enter a masonic lodge. You, who have been there understand that. The others can remain in their ignorance.


8 posted on 08/22/2014 6:45:45 PM PDT by navyblue (<u> Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: navyblue

Freemasonry is demonic. And the Catholic Church rightfully forbids Catholics from joining that cult.


9 posted on 08/22/2014 6:55:48 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: navyblue
You, who have been there understand that.

Two points:

1) I have never been "there".

2) You do not know what I understand and stop telling me you do know.

10 posted on 08/22/2014 7:14:20 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Really? And you know this from first hand or just what you have been told? I joined as a Mason more than 30 years ago. And I NEVER saw anything that was anti Catholic. Because somebody in the Church decided it was “demonic” and said all Catholics would be committing a grevious sin against
God, I had to make the choice between what I was told was sinful, or no longer support Masonry. My God and my faith come first. When I asked my local priest why it was sinful, other than the Church saying it was, he answered “I don’t know.” I missed the fellowship I had with my brothers, but as I said, my God comes first. I keep my masonic oath.


11 posted on 08/22/2014 7:14:22 PM PDT by navyblue (<u> Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: ebb tide

Okay, I get Modernism is the worst heresy. Pope Benedict has been fighting that his whole career - with everything he’s written. And who listens to the Free Masons? They’re not exactly on the forefront of the culture wars - are there any Free Masons under the age of 60? Doesn’t seem very big with the hip younger crowd to me - but I could be wrong.

I get that Hollywood, Liberal Academia, Islam, ACLU types are a threat - I don’t even know any Mason - seems a bit tin hat-ish.


12 posted on 08/22/2014 7:19:49 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: navyblue
I missed the fellowship I had with my brothers, but as I said, my God comes first. I keep my masonic oath.

I'm sorry, but if you kept your masonic oath, I don't think your "god" comes first..

13 posted on 08/22/2014 7:22:58 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
If my God didn't come first, I would still be an active Mason. My oath concerns the ritual, (which is not demonic)and the way we conduct ourselves as honorable men. And So you are still speaking from ignorance. I don't mean this as an ad homonym, You are just misinformed as are so many. Even the priest with whom I spoke.
14 posted on 08/22/2014 7:35:29 PM PDT by navyblue (<u> Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: navyblue; ALPAPilot
Freemasonry is incompatible with the Catholic faith.

HUMANUM GENUS ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII ON FREEMASONRY

We clearly saw and felt it to be Our duty to use Our authority to the very utmost against so vast an evil. We have several times already, as occasion served, attacked certain chief points of teaching which showed in a special manner the perverse influence of Masonic opinions.

15 posted on 08/22/2014 7:46:42 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I not questioning the morality of the Masons. I just don’t think they are relevant - Hitler was evil, but he’s dead. Perhaps we should condemn Pope Benedict because he didn’t write an encyclical condemning Hitler. Or maybe, perhaps, we should fight the battles of the 21st century.


16 posted on 08/22/2014 8:08:42 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: navyblue

It appears your priest is as confused as you are

I’ll pray for the both of you. To whom did you swear your “oath”?

Do you know that Joseph Stalin is one of your masonic “brothers”?


17 posted on 08/22/2014 8:11:56 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ALPAPilot

Or maybe, perhaps, Pope Francis could stop inviting muslims to pray in his gardens that muslims may conquer the “infidels”.


18 posted on 08/22/2014 8:20:20 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Well, since you’re still here, I swore my oath on the Holy Bible. Isn’t that where we usually take our oaths?


19 posted on 08/22/2014 8:25:46 PM PDT by navyblue (<u> Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: navyblue

You swore a masonic oath on the “bible”? Was it the King Jame’s bible?

Obama and Eric Holder also swore oaths on bibles; I’m not impressed.


21 posted on 08/22/2014 8:33:48 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: navyblue

What the hell does George Washington have to do with this discourse?

Christ the Sovereign King is the true Ruler of all countries.

It’s obvious to me that you’re a freemason and not a Catholic; because you can’t be both.


22 posted on 08/22/2014 8:41:10 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: navyblue

“The Father of our county”?

Are you that into worshipping false gods?


23 posted on 08/22/2014 8:58:46 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
Freemasonry is demonic. And the Catholic Church rightfully forbids Catholics from joining that cult.

While I am no longer a Mason, I guess, Freemasonry has never discouraged me or anyone I know from worshiping God...In fact, when I joined, they gave me this beautiful, massive bible...

While the members do not speak of religion during the meetings, everyone is required to believe in God...

I have never met a more friendly, generous and kind group of men anywhere...

24 posted on 08/22/2014 9:00:15 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: ALPAPilot
I don’t even know any Mason - seems a bit tin hat-ish.

I'd bet you do know Masons...You just don't know it...

25 posted on 08/22/2014 9:09:33 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: ebb tide

Do you deny that George Washington was a mason. If you do, then you really know nothing about this matter.


26 posted on 08/22/2014 9:27:40 PM PDT by navyblue (<u> Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: ebb tide
Like I said: I get that Hollywood, Liberal Academia, Islam, ACLU types are a threat

Benedict also said this:

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached". The emperor goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul. "God is not pleased by blood, and not acting reasonably is contrary to God’s nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death...".

The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God’s nature. The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality. Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazn went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God’s will, we would even have to practise idolatry.

This attempt, painted with broad strokes, at a critique of modern reason from within has nothing to do with putting the clock back to the time before the Enlightenment and rejecting the insights of the modern age. The positive aspects of modernity are to be acknowledged unreservedly: we are all grateful for the marvellous possibilities that it has opened up for mankind and for the progress in humanity that has been granted to us. The scientific ethos, moreover, is the will to be obedient to the truth, and, as such, it embodies an attitude which reflects one of the basic tenets of Christianity. The intention here is not one of retrenchment or negative criticism, but of broadening our concept of reason and its application. While we rejoice in the new possibilities open to humanity, we also see the dangers arising from these possibilities and we must ask ourselves how we can overcome them. We will succeed in doing so only if reason and faith come together in a new way, if we overcome the self-imposed limitation of reason to the empirically verifiable, and if we once more disclose its vast horizons. In this sense theology rightly belongs in the university and within the wide-ranging dialogue of sciences, not merely as a historical discipline and one of the human sciences, but precisely as theology, as inquiry into the rationality of faith.

27 posted on 08/22/2014 9:42:36 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: ebb tide
And the Catholic Church rightfully forbids Catholics from joining that cult.

Is that akin to Islam forbidding stuff? The word "catholic" used to mean all-inclusive, but it seems that it has evolved to mean "having more rules than God has".

28 posted on 08/23/2014 2:15:22 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: ebb tide

I can’t seem to open this. Anyone else having this issue?


29 posted on 08/23/2014 5:24:20 AM PDT by piusv
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To: navyblue

No. I do not deny it. Do you think George Washington is a saint?


30 posted on 08/23/2014 8:44:50 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: navyblue

FreeMasons put the Lodge above God. That’s a big problem. It’s also secretive and involves many demonic activities.


31 posted on 08/23/2014 8:47:26 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: piusv

It still opens for me.


32 posted on 08/23/2014 8:49:12 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

OK. It’s opening now.


33 posted on 08/23/2014 9:06:11 AM PDT by piusv
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To: ebb tide

So Benedict XVI never gave a nod to Pascendi’s 100th anniversary and Francis never gave a nod to the 100th anniversary of Pius X’s death.

Two peas in the pod of the Modernist, Vatican II Church.


34 posted on 08/23/2014 9:11:58 AM PDT by piusv
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So Benedict XVI never gave a nod to Pascendi’s 100th anniversary and Francis never gave a nod to the 100th anniversary of Pius X’s death.

Yes; unfortunately, both of the above inactions are correctly stately.

Yet, Francis, the Bishop of Rome, did choose to acknowledge the 9th anniversary of the death of a Pope Saint who invoked St John the Baptist to protect Islam.

Francis recalls John Paul II's death 9 years ago

For the modernists, Church dogma and discipline were reset to zero and then redefined, in a protestant direction, at VC II.

Pope John Paul II was the first pope to enter a mosque, and pray with the devil worshippers, and each of his successors have done so also.

35 posted on 08/23/2014 4:09:44 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Iscool
While the members do not speak of religion during the meetings ...

Wise move. They probably do not want the type of choleric "discussions" which one so often sees in the Religion forum.

36 posted on 08/23/2014 8:41:23 PM PDT by BlackVeil ('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
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To: BlackVeil
i>Wise move. They probably do not want the type of choleric "discussions" which one so often sees in the Religion forum.

You could be right...

37 posted on 08/23/2014 10:50:28 PM PDT by Iscool
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