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Fox News star jumps into 'gay' Christianity
http://mobile.wnd.com ^ | June 4, 2014 | Joe Kovacs

Posted on 08/24/2014 7:06:43 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

The Fox News analyst who made headlines last December for saying she personally met Jesus is now entering the battle over homosexual relationships, suggesting U.S. Christians could support the concept.

“Could there be a future where most American Christians support same-sex relationships?” asks Kirsten Powers, a former atheist who went public with her conversion to Christianity last year.

“If so, it will be due to the emergence of conservative Christians who say orthodox believers can support life-long, monogamous gay relationships without undermining their commitment to biblical authority.”

In her column in USA Today, Powers mentions by name evangelical Matthew Vines, the homosexual author of the new book, “God and the Gay Christian,” as well as New Testament scholar James Brownson, who wrote the 2013 book “Bible, Gender, Sexuality.”

Powers says Brownson told her: “Male-male sex in the ancient world was episodic. It was mainly young boys with older men or male slaves and masters. It was not mutual. These were not relationships, they were not marriage and they were not meant to turn into marriage.”

Powers says the issue is not molding biblical teaching to satisfy a personal belief.

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Nothing surprises me coming from this Obama apologist,who claims she's a Christian, but still supports the most pro-abortion and anti-Christian president in history.
1 posted on 08/24/2014 7:06:43 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

How is it that the Christian gay apologists dismiss the Biblical term “abomination” as it is applied to homosexual behavior?


2 posted on 08/24/2014 7:09:37 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: NKP_Vet

We’ll have to trust her for her testimony of faith. Now she needs to be taught what’s in her Bible.


3 posted on 08/24/2014 7:10:37 AM PDT by lurk
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To: RoosterRedux
"How is it that the Christian gay apologists dismiss the Biblical term “abomination” as it is applied to homosexual behavior?"

Good point!

As reprehensible as the Muslims are, they follow their book to-the-letter!

4 posted on 08/24/2014 7:16:36 AM PDT by capt. norm
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To: NKP_Vet

Liberals always lie to themselves first, then spread the lie to seal the deal for themselves. Liberalism is a mental disease.


6 posted on 08/24/2014 7:20:01 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: lurk

re: We’ll have to trust her for her testimony of faith. Now she needs to be taught what’s in her Bible.

Exactly. She is a baby Christian. We often expect new believers who are in the public spotlight to be mature in the faith already. Those who are in her faith community have a responsibility to teach her the Bible. She has a responsibility to study it.


7 posted on 08/24/2014 7:23:16 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: NKP_Vet
The problem with Homosexuality is the same problem as the rest of humanity has with sin - it keeps one from Heaven. Even one sin (even the smallest or by omission) keeps one from heaven. One must renounce them all by throwing them upon the Savior - The Lord Jesus Christ and turn and follow Him alone. Otherwise there is no hope of heaven.

And just so we know it is a sin that would keep one from heaven and eternal life, the Apostle Paul says "Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? ... or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality...

Thus those who practice homosexuality, like mankind in sin, need to repenting of all their sins(even homosexuality) - turning away from them , putting them on Him and to follow Him as Lord or there is no hope.

8 posted on 08/24/2014 7:25:31 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: NKP_Vet

I forgive her.

9 posted on 08/24/2014 7:26:58 AM PDT by jerod (Pro-Abortion Gun Control Freaks & Environmental Nuts who hated Capitalism? The Nazi's)
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To: NKP_Vet
The devil has Ms. Powers under lock and key.

The entertainment world will only allow Kirsten to keep her lucrative job if she give something in return, namely, to advance the homosexual agenda so as to bring dishonor to the Faith.

Looks to me like a classic case of ‘the love of money is the root of all evil’. Fame and fortune is all well and good, but God must come first Kirsten. God must be number one in your life.

10 posted on 08/24/2014 7:28:00 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Nevadan
Those who are in her faith community have a responsibility to teach her the Bible. She has a responsibility to study it.

She also has a responsibility to shut up for awhile. If she accepted Christ less than a year ago, she has a duty not to present herself as authoritative because she isn't. Yet she takes advantage of that public position and in the process leads others to error.

It's one thing not to know or understand. It's quite another to promulgate your views when you can't even discern the truth.

Her position in media makes her an expert on nothing.

11 posted on 08/24/2014 7:28:34 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Nevadan
"Liberals always lie to themselves first, then spread the lie to seal the deal for themselves"

I think we've all seen that in action. They are so relieved to find one person...even if it's the village idiot...to swallow their bait.

12 posted on 08/24/2014 7:31:15 AM PDT by capt. norm
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To: NKP_Vet

Kirsten Powers, isn’t she the Anthony Wiener bimbo? Yeah, she has tons of credibility.


13 posted on 08/24/2014 7:32:53 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: johniegrad

re: If she accepted Christ less than a year ago, she has a duty not to present herself as authoritative because she isn’t.

I agree


14 posted on 08/24/2014 7:33:35 AM PDT by Nevadan
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To: Nevadan

Really don’t consider sexual immorality to be one of the finer points of doctrine. Pretty obvious. Until a few decades ago, there was no question even among heathen Americans.


15 posted on 08/24/2014 7:34:30 AM PDT by all the best
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To: jerod
"Liberals always lie to themselves first, then spread the lie to seal the deal for themselves"

Or as St. Francis said "It is in pardoning that we are pardoned,"

16 posted on 08/24/2014 7:36:30 AM PDT by capt. norm
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To: lurk

Many modern day Christians are turned off by the Bible, instead relying on “what God speaks to their heart”. Unfortunately, since they think the Bible is outdated, they won’t turn to the preserved Word, to check to see if what “God has spoken to them” is in fact true. If a modern day Christian believes something that is not supported by scripture, then what they believe comes from the spirit of anti-christ, but they don’t care, because what they believe makes them “feel good.”


17 posted on 08/24/2014 7:41:40 AM PDT by WhatNot (Many who say "I'll accept Jesus at the eleventh hour" die at 10:30)
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To: jerod

You may forgive her.

Will God?


18 posted on 08/24/2014 7:42:44 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but test the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1

The political left has its own christianity, and it has a lower case C.


19 posted on 08/24/2014 7:46:02 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: NKP_Vet

She managed to move from Atheisim to Christianity, pray that God, the Bible, and the church continue to shape her beliefs and spiritual growth. She is young on the faith and like the rest of is, is a work in progress.


20 posted on 08/24/2014 7:47:22 AM PDT by CityCenter (Resist Obamacare!)
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To: NKP_Vet
Nothing surprises me coming from this Obama apologist,who claims she's a Christian, but still supports the most pro-abortion and anti-Christian president in history.

Her stance isn't new: convenience and hypocrisy.
She CANNOT be a Christian if she supports abortion. That is a flat-out contradiction in terms.

21 posted on 08/24/2014 7:54:04 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: DuncanWaring
You may forgive her.
Will God?

God forgives ALL who come forth with TRUE contrition and penitence...and do the PENANCE. There IS a price to pay, always.

There is ALSO the promise assumption that said sin will not be repeated.

22 posted on 08/24/2014 7:56:32 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: capt. norm
Or as St. Francis said "It is in pardoning that we are pardoned,"

Yes, he did.
THAT is the "toughy" for me.

23 posted on 08/24/2014 7:57:27 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: NKP_Vet

Kirstin Powere as an Atheist Has nothing in her heart , her head or the sounds that come out of her.
She is a loud clanging bell.


24 posted on 08/24/2014 7:57:29 AM PDT by chatham
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To: Nevadan

She may or may not be a baby Christian. I’ve known a number of converts whose conversion lasted 1-2 years until they decided they would rather follow Buddha or be New Age or follow some other fad.

“Some of the seed fell among the rocks where there was not much soil, and sprang up very quickly because there was no depth of earth. But when the sun rose it was scorched, and because it had no root, it withered away.” - Mark 4

I don’t expect the Holy Spirit to be able to instruct a new follower in EVERYTHING very quickly, but I think He is capable of keeping a new follower from promoting what is obviously Satanic and utterly unnatural.


25 posted on 08/24/2014 7:58:08 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: NKP_Vet; metmom
“If so, it will be due to the emergence of conservative Christians who say orthodox believers can support life-long, monogamous gay relationships without undermining their commitment to biblical authority.”

This person is clearly insane

26 posted on 08/24/2014 8:02:24 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: cloudmountain

That’s all certainly true.

Will she do those things?


27 posted on 08/24/2014 8:05:07 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: NKP_Vet

“Male-male sex in the ancient world was episodic. It was mainly young boys with older men or male slaves and masters”

This is such poor Scriptural understanding, that it defies imagination, but from a leftist it is understandable.

The Lord thus said. “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination”

This stands out among the Levitical commands, as it simply calls the act known as Sodomy, ‘an abomination’. Not ‘an abomination to you’, not ‘it is unclean to you’, it is simply ‘AN ABOMINATION’ period. There is no binding that relates this only to the Ancient Hebrews. It is a moral law for all times, and it carried NO caveats. It does not describe the age of the participants nor their mindset nor their other sexual practices. It simply condemns the act of ‘sexual’ relations (if you can call them that) between two males.

I find this idea of “well, it was written when homosexuality meant something different” to be as juvenile an argument as the old canard “the 2nd Amendment was for muskets!”

These are timeless teachings. DO NOT TAKE FROM THEM, NOR ADD TO THEM!!!


28 posted on 08/24/2014 8:06:34 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Mr Rogers

Scripture says “My people perish for lack of knowledge” and that learning the WORD of God is definately missing in Kristen’s life, because what we put in our spirit is what comes out.

Sadly, she already had a public platform when she asks Jesus into her heart, and she has yet to do the study necessary to mature her into a wiser person. Her husband is a Coptic Eqyptian (Christian) however, how much has he learned of the Bible. Believing, yes, wish, no...that confuses those looking for reality in the Christian’s life.


29 posted on 08/24/2014 8:10:24 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: NKP_Vet

“Star”?

That’s a bit of a stretch.

I would have gone with “stooge”.


30 posted on 08/24/2014 8:12:14 AM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: jerod

Me too!


31 posted on 08/24/2014 8:13:11 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: NKP_Vet

“Then one night in 2006, on a trip to Taiwan, I woke up in what felt like a strange cross between a dream and reality. Jesus came to me and said, “Here I am.” It felt so real. I didn’t know what to make of it. I called my boyfriend, but before I had time to tell him about it, he told me he had been praying the night before and felt we were supposed to break up. So we did. Honestly, while I was upset, I was more traumatized by Jesus visiting me...

...I didn’t know what to do, so I spoke with writer Eric Metaxas, whom I had met through my boyfriend and who had talked with me quite a bit about God. “You need to be in a Bible study,” he said. “And Kathy Keller’s Bible study is the one you need to be in.” I didn’t like the sound of that, but I was desperate...

...I remember walking into the Bible study. I had a knot in my stomach. In my mind, only weirdoes and zealots went to Bible studies. I don’t remember what was said that day. All I know is that when I left, everything had changed.”

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2013/november/fox-news-highly-reluctant-jesus-follower-kirsten-powers.html?paging=off

If she has had 8 years of following Christ, then she is old enough as a Christian to be responsible for knowing the difference between gross sin and not sin. In truth, most non-Christians do as well. On the issue of homosexuality, which her pastor opposes, the vast majority of humans for thousands of years have thought the truth was obvious.

So no, I won’t wait for her to outgrow this.


32 posted on 08/24/2014 8:14:07 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: lurk; Nevadan
We’ll have to trust her for her testimony of faith. Now she needs to be taught what’s in her Bible.

Wrong.

The same Bible you want to teach her about plainly declares that this is a sin, and an abomination as well in the eyes of our Lord.

If you are actively engaged in sin, or supporting, which according to the Bible makes you guilty of that sin, you cannot name the Name of Christ as your own. You are no longer born again, you have forsaken Christ. Either, as Paul stated, "Old things pass away, all things become new" to those that are in Christ Jesus or they don't. Either there is now no condemnation(active sinning) to those in Christ Jesus or there isn't.

Either the Bible is true, or it is not.
33 posted on 08/24/2014 8:14:28 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: NKP_Vet

Ah, the Church of Corinth


34 posted on 08/24/2014 8:19:44 AM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: TADSLOS
They say that in psychology cognitive dissonance is the mental stress felt by an individual who holds two or more contradictory ideas. It actually causes mental discomfort to attempt to hold the two ideas simultaneously. When a person resolves the stress (instead of the contradiction) post-modern liberalism is the result.

Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.

I believe that what we are seeing here is a manifestation of theological cognitive dissonance. It is accomplished because she is a liberal first (with all that implies) and a Christian second.

35 posted on 08/24/2014 8:24:02 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Mr Rogers

‘wish’ should have been ‘wise’ in my comment to you.


36 posted on 08/24/2014 8:29:02 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: NKP_Vet

Powers reflects emotive female religiosity

She was transformed from nothing to psuedo Christian by somewhat ambiguous Christian doctrine

Obviously she doesnt fully get it but is not totally lost either

Partially found

This newish good works and pass the grace theology that all views are respected

I would imagine her feminism which is atvthe roor of all this was formed by parental influence and secondary education


37 posted on 08/24/2014 8:29:45 AM PDT by wardaddy (Ferguson MO...but i thought blacks went north to escape the racism of mean ol southerners)
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To: RoosterRedux
I'll tell you how. They say that the homosexual behavior referred to in the Bible was non-marital, it was fornication (or worse, rape or pederast or prostitution) and therefore a sin, and therefore an abomination. But if you had a nice, gay, Christian couple who were married, loving, faithful, pray-toether-stay-together WEDDED SPOUSES, then it would't be fornication, it would be married love, and not a sin.

That's the delusion.

We've been discussing that in detail over here (LINK)

38 posted on 08/24/2014 8:30:35 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Most of us know more from being old, than from being told.)
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To: WhatNot

If someone is turned off by the Bible they certainly are not Christian. It cracks me up when someone says “I’m spiritual, but have no religion”. There is no such thing. Jesus tells us to go to Church. No man is an island.


39 posted on 08/24/2014 8:33:50 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: rockrr

I’m convinced Powers claims to be a Christian for street cred as a FNC talking head. She wears it like a politician wears an American flag lapel and uses her new found “faith” as a method to advance twisted liberal pretzel logic causes. Never trust a liberal.


40 posted on 08/24/2014 8:38:44 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Viennacon

“Male-male sex in the ancient world was episodic. It was mainly young boys with older men or male slaves and masters”

They got this from garbage on HBO, Starz and other immoral, trashy networks. The series Spartacus comes to mind. They want you to believe that all spartans were sodomites, which is absolutely a lie. Of course there were sodomites back then the way there are now, but the vast majority of men were not sodomite. And if sodomite “marriage” had been mentioned the person would have been beheaded.


41 posted on 08/24/2014 8:38:48 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Mrs. Don-o

If homosexuality in the Bible referred to homosexual rape, it would say so. If loving, monogamous homosexual relations were allowed, it would say so. God is not stupid, and He knows how to make distinctions, when there is one to be made.

“The word “therefore” connects the making of Eve from a part of Adam’s body with the “one flesh” sexual union between a man and a woman in marriage: it is the reunion of the two constituent parts of a sexual whole. It is not another man who is the missing part or sexual comple­ment of a man, but rather a woman. (Jesus emphasizes this connection between the two different sexes, “male and female,” in Matthew 19:4–6 and Mark 10:6–8.)

Consistent with the pattern in Genesis 1–2, sexual intercourse outside of the marriage relationship between one man and one woman is prohibited. For example, “You shall not commit adultery” (Exodus 20:14; reaffirmed by Jesus in Matthew 19:18; cf. Romans 13:9; James 2:11). In addi­tion, other specific kinds of sexual intercourse outside of marriage are also prohibited, such as prostitution (1 Corinthians 6:15–18), incest (Leviticus 20:11–21; 1 Corinthians 5:1–2), and bestiality (Leviticus 18:23; 20:15–16).

Homosexual conduct is also viewed as a sin (something contrary to God’s will) in several passages of the Bible. Leviticus 18:22 says, “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination [Hebrew to‘ebah, actions that are extremely displeasing to God].” Similarly, “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have commit­ted an abomination” (Leviticus 20:13; cf. Genesis 19; also Jude 7). These absolute Levitical prohibitions are grouped with other relevant sex proscriptions (incest, adultery, bestial­ity) and are considered first-tier sexual offenses that are grouped together in Leviticus 20:10–16...

...In a long list of sins, Paul also includes “men who prac­tice homosexuality” (1 Corinthians 6:9).This phrase translates two different Greek terms: malakos means “soft” or “effemi­nate” and was commonly used in the Greco-Roman world to refer to the “passive” partner in homosexual acts, while arsenokoites is a combination of Greek arsen (meaning “man”) and koite (here meaning “sexual intercourse”). The term arsenokoites was apparently coined by Paul from the Septu­agint (Greek translation) of Leviticus 20:13, and means (in plural) “men who have intercourse with men.” In 1 Timothy 1:10 Paul uses the same word arsenokoites in the midst of vices derived from “the law” (here, the second half of the Ten Commandments), which means that this verse also should be interpreted as an absolute prohibition of male-with-male intercourse, in keeping with Leviticus 18:22; 20:13. Early Jewish interpretation of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, and early Christian interpretation of 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10, also show that these verses were understood as absolute prohibitions against all types of homosexual conduct.”

http://www.worldmag.com/2013/04/the_bible_and_homosexuality

Mrs. Don-o, I know YOU understand the issue. What I don’t believe is that there is wiggle room that allows someone who has been a Christian for 8 years not to notice what God has said - particularly since she has been questioned at length on this issue for her entire time that she claims she has been a Christian.

Given that God’s natural revelation of His Will to man has allowed the vast majority of non-believers to figure it out, then someone who is aware of what God’s Word says - and KP certainly is by now - has no excuse whatsoever. It is simply open rebellion against God’s revealed will, and openly encouraging others to sin.


42 posted on 08/24/2014 8:42:48 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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Addressing KP’s argument directly:

“Another objection is to say that the biblical passages concerning homosexuality only prohibit certain kinds of homosexual conduct, such as homosexual prostitution or pedophilia, or unfaithful homosexual relationships. (This is sometimes called the “exploitation argument”: the Bible only prohibits exploitative forms of homosexual­ity.) But there is no legitimate evidence in the words of any of these verses, or their contexts, or in evidence from the ancient world, to prove that the verses were referring to anything less than all kinds of homosexual conduct by all kinds of people. Two biblical counterarguments against the “exploitation argument” may be briefly men­tioned: (1) In Romans 1:23–27 Paul clearly echoes Genesis 1:27, indicating that Paul viewed any sexual relationship that did not conform to the creation paradigm of “male and female” to be a violation of God’s will, irrespective of whether the relationship is loving. (2) Paul’s absolute indictment against all forms of homosexuality is under­scored by his mention of lesbian intercourse in Romans 1:26, since this form of intercourse in the ancient world was not typically characterized by sex with adolescents, slaves, or prostitutes...

...Some object that the phrase “contrary to nature” in Romans 1:26–27 shows that Paul is only talking about people who “naturally” feel desires toward a person of the opposite sex but who then practice homosexuality. Paul says, “For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another” (Romans 1:26–27). According to this view, Paul is not saying anything about people who “naturally” feel desires for a person of the same sex, for such desires would not be “contrary to that person’s nature.” However, this is reading into the text a restric­tion that has no basis in the actual words that Paul wrote. He does not say “contrary to their nature,” but “contrary to nature” (Greek para physin), a phrase that is used several times in literature outside the Bible to speak of all kinds of homosexual conduct as something contrary to the natural order of the world. In other words, Paul is not saying in Romans 1:24–27 that some people switched their innate heterosexual urges for contrived homosexual urges, but rather that people exchanged or left behind sexual rela­tions with a true sexual complement (someone of the other sex) to gratify their inward urges for sex with members of the same sex. Paul sees such people as choosing to follow their desires over God-ordained creation structures.”

From the link above.


43 posted on 08/24/2014 8:46:34 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: lurk; capt. norm; rockrr; wardaddy; metmom; GeronL; cloudmountain; chatham; Mr Rogers; chris37; ...
This may interest you. It's an answer to the question, "How can they justify homosexuality, when the Bible says it's an abomination?"

#115 and following down the thread (LINK)

We've been discussing this this delusion in all of its aggravating detail.

44 posted on 08/24/2014 8:49:32 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Gay marriage is a machination of the Father of Lies to deceive the children of God."- Pope Francis)
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To: NKP_Vet

““If so, it will be due to the emergence of conservative Christians who say orthodox believers can support life-long, monogamous gay relationships without undermining their commitment to biblical authority.”

Petitio principii.


45 posted on 08/24/2014 8:51:00 AM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: cloudmountain

She is and has been prolife for a long time.


47 posted on 08/24/2014 9:04:56 AM PDT by CityCenter (Resist Obamacare!)
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To: NKP_Vet

Kirsten is intelligent and cute, but a slow learner. Here’s another example of the slow part: Back in the day, she dated Anthony Weiner for a while.


48 posted on 08/24/2014 9:05:59 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Mr Rogers

It’s not up to you to let her do anything. You should pray for her and let the grace of God do its work.


49 posted on 08/24/2014 9:06:47 AM PDT by CityCenter (Resist Obamacare!)
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To: NKP_Vet

Wolf in sheep’s clothing.


50 posted on 08/24/2014 9:07:53 AM PDT by dfwgator
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