Skip to comments.Fox News star jumps into 'gay' Christianity
Posted on 08/24/2014 7:06:43 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
The Fox News analyst who made headlines last December for saying she personally met Jesus is now entering the battle over homosexual relationships, suggesting U.S. Christians could support the concept.
Could there be a future where most American Christians support same-sex relationships? asks Kirsten Powers, a former atheist who went public with her conversion to Christianity last year.
If so, it will be due to the emergence of conservative Christians who say orthodox believers can support life-long, monogamous gay relationships without undermining their commitment to biblical authority.
In her column in USA Today, Powers mentions by name evangelical Matthew Vines, the homosexual author of the new book, God and the Gay Christian, as well as New Testament scholar James Brownson, who wrote the 2013 book Bible, Gender, Sexuality.
Powers says Brownson told her: Male-male sex in the ancient world was episodic. It was mainly young boys with older men or male slaves and masters. It was not mutual. These were not relationships, they were not marriage and they were not meant to turn into marriage.
Powers says the issue is not molding biblical teaching to satisfy a personal belief.
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How is it that the Christian gay apologists dismiss the Biblical term “abomination” as it is applied to homosexual behavior?
We’ll have to trust her for her testimony of faith. Now she needs to be taught what’s in her Bible.
As reprehensible as the Muslims are, they follow their book to-the-letter!
Liberals always lie to themselves first, then spread the lie to seal the deal for themselves. Liberalism is a mental disease.
re: Well have to trust her for her testimony of faith. Now she needs to be taught whats in her Bible.
Exactly. She is a baby Christian. We often expect new believers who are in the public spotlight to be mature in the faith already. Those who are in her faith community have a responsibility to teach her the Bible. She has a responsibility to study it.
And just so we know it is a sin that would keep one from heaven and eternal life, the Apostle Paul says "Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? ... or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality...
Thus those who practice homosexuality, like mankind in sin, need to repenting of all their sins(even homosexuality) - turning away from them , putting them on Him and to follow Him as Lord or there is no hope.
I forgive her.
The entertainment world will only allow Kirsten to keep her lucrative job if she give something in return, namely, to advance the homosexual agenda so as to bring dishonor to the Faith.
Looks to me like a classic case of ‘the love of money is the root of all evil’. Fame and fortune is all well and good, but God must come first Kirsten. God must be number one in your life.
She also has a responsibility to shut up for awhile. If she accepted Christ less than a year ago, she has a duty not to present herself as authoritative because she isn't. Yet she takes advantage of that public position and in the process leads others to error.
It's one thing not to know or understand. It's quite another to promulgate your views when you can't even discern the truth.
Her position in media makes her an expert on nothing.
I think we've all seen that in action. They are so relieved to find one person...even if it's the village idiot...to swallow their bait.
Kirsten Powers, isn’t she the Anthony Wiener bimbo? Yeah, she has tons of credibility.
re: If she accepted Christ less than a year ago, she has a duty not to present herself as authoritative because she isn’t.
Really don’t consider sexual immorality to be one of the finer points of doctrine. Pretty obvious. Until a few decades ago, there was no question even among heathen Americans.
Or as St. Francis said "It is in pardoning that we are pardoned,"
Many modern day Christians are turned off by the Bible, instead relying on “what God speaks to their heart”. Unfortunately, since they think the Bible is outdated, they won’t turn to the preserved Word, to check to see if what “God has spoken to them” is in fact true. If a modern day Christian believes something that is not supported by scripture, then what they believe comes from the spirit of anti-christ, but they don’t care, because what they believe makes them “feel good.”
You may forgive her.
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but test the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1
The political left has its own christianity, and it has a lower case C.
She managed to move from Atheisim to Christianity, pray that God, the Bible, and the church continue to shape her beliefs and spiritual growth. She is young on the faith and like the rest of is, is a work in progress.
Her stance isn't new: convenience and hypocrisy.
She CANNOT be a Christian if she supports abortion. That is a flat-out contradiction in terms.
God forgives ALL who come forth with TRUE contrition and penitence...and do the PENANCE. There IS a price to pay, always.
There is ALSO the
promise assumption that said sin will not be repeated.
Yes, he did.
THAT is the "toughy" for me.
Kirstin Powere as an Atheist Has nothing in her heart , her head or the sounds that come out of her.
She is a loud clanging bell.
She may or may not be a baby Christian. I’ve known a number of converts whose conversion lasted 1-2 years until they decided they would rather follow Buddha or be New Age or follow some other fad.
“Some of the seed fell among the rocks where there was not much soil, and sprang up very quickly because there was no depth of earth. But when the sun rose it was scorched, and because it had no root, it withered away.” - Mark 4
I don’t expect the Holy Spirit to be able to instruct a new follower in EVERYTHING very quickly, but I think He is capable of keeping a new follower from promoting what is obviously Satanic and utterly unnatural.
This person is clearly insane
That’s all certainly true.
Will she do those things?
Male-male sex in the ancient world was episodic. It was mainly young boys with older men or male slaves and masters”
This is such poor Scriptural understanding, that it defies imagination, but from a leftist it is understandable.
The Lord thus said. “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination”
This stands out among the Levitical commands, as it simply calls the act known as Sodomy, ‘an abomination’. Not ‘an abomination to you’, not ‘it is unclean to you’, it is simply ‘AN ABOMINATION’ period. There is no binding that relates this only to the Ancient Hebrews. It is a moral law for all times, and it carried NO caveats. It does not describe the age of the participants nor their mindset nor their other sexual practices. It simply condemns the act of ‘sexual’ relations (if you can call them that) between two males.
I find this idea of “well, it was written when homosexuality meant something different” to be as juvenile an argument as the old canard “the 2nd Amendment was for muskets!”
These are timeless teachings. DO NOT TAKE FROM THEM, NOR ADD TO THEM!!!
Scripture says “My people perish for lack of knowledge” and that learning the WORD of God is definately missing in Kristen’s life, because what we put in our spirit is what comes out.
Sadly, she already had a public platform when she asks Jesus into her heart, and she has yet to do the study necessary to mature her into a wiser person. Her husband is a Coptic Eqyptian (Christian) however, how much has he learned of the Bible. Believing, yes, wish, no...that confuses those looking for reality in the Christian’s life.
That’s a bit of a stretch.
I would have gone with “stooge”.
“Then one night in 2006, on a trip to Taiwan, I woke up in what felt like a strange cross between a dream and reality. Jesus came to me and said, “Here I am.” It felt so real. I didn’t know what to make of it. I called my boyfriend, but before I had time to tell him about it, he told me he had been praying the night before and felt we were supposed to break up. So we did. Honestly, while I was upset, I was more traumatized by Jesus visiting me...
...I didn’t know what to do, so I spoke with writer Eric Metaxas, whom I had met through my boyfriend and who had talked with me quite a bit about God. “You need to be in a Bible study,” he said. “And Kathy Keller’s Bible study is the one you need to be in.” I didn’t like the sound of that, but I was desperate...
...I remember walking into the Bible study. I had a knot in my stomach. In my mind, only weirdoes and zealots went to Bible studies. I don’t remember what was said that day. All I know is that when I left, everything had changed.”
If she has had 8 years of following Christ, then she is old enough as a Christian to be responsible for knowing the difference between gross sin and not sin. In truth, most non-Christians do as well. On the issue of homosexuality, which her pastor opposes, the vast majority of humans for thousands of years have thought the truth was obvious.
So no, I won’t wait for her to outgrow this.
Ah, the Church of Corinth
Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.
I believe that what we are seeing here is a manifestation of theological cognitive dissonance. It is accomplished because she is a liberal first (with all that implies) and a Christian second.
‘wish’ should have been ‘wise’ in my comment to you.
Powers reflects emotive female religiosity
She was transformed from nothing to psuedo Christian by somewhat ambiguous Christian doctrine
Obviously she doesnt fully get it but is not totally lost either
This newish good works and pass the grace theology that all views are respected
I would imagine her feminism which is atvthe roor of all this was formed by parental influence and secondary education
That's the delusion.
We've been discussing that in detail over here (LINK)
If someone is turned off by the Bible they certainly are not Christian. It cracks me up when someone says “I’m spiritual, but have no religion”. There is no such thing. Jesus tells us to go to Church. No man is an island.
I’m convinced Powers claims to be a Christian for street cred as a FNC talking head. She wears it like a politician wears an American flag lapel and uses her new found “faith” as a method to advance twisted liberal pretzel logic causes. Never trust a liberal.
Male-male sex in the ancient world was episodic. It was mainly young boys with older men or male slaves and masters
They got this from garbage on HBO, Starz and other immoral, trashy networks. The series Spartacus comes to mind. They want you to believe that all spartans were sodomites, which is absolutely a lie. Of course there were sodomites back then the way there are now, but the vast majority of men were not sodomite. And if sodomite “marriage” had been mentioned the person would have been beheaded.
If homosexuality in the Bible referred to homosexual rape, it would say so. If loving, monogamous homosexual relations were allowed, it would say so. God is not stupid, and He knows how to make distinctions, when there is one to be made.
“The word therefore connects the making of Eve from a part of Adams body with the one flesh sexual union between a man and a woman in marriage: it is the reunion of the two constituent parts of a sexual whole. It is not another man who is the missing part or sexual complement of a man, but rather a woman. (Jesus emphasizes this connection between the two different sexes, male and female, in Matthew 19:46 and Mark 10:68.)
Consistent with the pattern in Genesis 12, sexual intercourse outside of the marriage relationship between one man and one woman is prohibited. For example, You shall not commit adultery (Exodus 20:14; reaffirmed by Jesus in Matthew 19:18; cf. Romans 13:9; James 2:11). In addition, other specific kinds of sexual intercourse outside of marriage are also prohibited, such as prostitution (1 Corinthians 6:1518), incest (Leviticus 20:1121; 1 Corinthians 5:12), and bestiality (Leviticus 18:23; 20:1516).
Homosexual conduct is also viewed as a sin (something contrary to Gods will) in several passages of the Bible. Leviticus 18:22 says, You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination [Hebrew toebah, actions that are extremely displeasing to God]. Similarly, If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination (Leviticus 20:13; cf. Genesis 19; also Jude 7). These absolute Levitical prohibitions are grouped with other relevant sex proscriptions (incest, adultery, bestiality) and are considered first-tier sexual offenses that are grouped together in Leviticus 20:1016...
...In a long list of sins, Paul also includes men who practice homosexuality (1 Corinthians 6:9).This phrase translates two different Greek terms: malakos means soft or effeminate and was commonly used in the Greco-Roman world to refer to the passive partner in homosexual acts, while arsenokoites is a combination of Greek arsen (meaning man) and koite (here meaning sexual intercourse). The term arsenokoites was apparently coined by Paul from the Septuagint (Greek translation) of Leviticus 20:13, and means (in plural) men who have intercourse with men. In 1 Timothy 1:10 Paul uses the same word arsenokoites in the midst of vices derived from the law (here, the second half of the Ten Commandments), which means that this verse also should be interpreted as an absolute prohibition of male-with-male intercourse, in keeping with Leviticus 18:22; 20:13. Early Jewish interpretation of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, and early Christian interpretation of 1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:10, also show that these verses were understood as absolute prohibitions against all types of homosexual conduct.”
Mrs. Don-o, I know YOU understand the issue. What I don’t believe is that there is wiggle room that allows someone who has been a Christian for 8 years not to notice what God has said - particularly since she has been questioned at length on this issue for her entire time that she claims she has been a Christian.
Given that God’s natural revelation of His Will to man has allowed the vast majority of non-believers to figure it out, then someone who is aware of what God’s Word says - and KP certainly is by now - has no excuse whatsoever. It is simply open rebellion against God’s revealed will, and openly encouraging others to sin.
Addressing KP’s argument directly:
“Another objection is to say that the biblical passages concerning homosexuality only prohibit certain kinds of homosexual conduct, such as homosexual prostitution or pedophilia, or unfaithful homosexual relationships. (This is sometimes called the exploitation argument: the Bible only prohibits exploitative forms of homosexuality.) But there is no legitimate evidence in the words of any of these verses, or their contexts, or in evidence from the ancient world, to prove that the verses were referring to anything less than all kinds of homosexual conduct by all kinds of people. Two biblical counterarguments against the exploitation argument may be briefly mentioned: (1) In Romans 1:2327 Paul clearly echoes Genesis 1:27, indicating that Paul viewed any sexual relationship that did not conform to the creation paradigm of male and female to be a violation of Gods will, irrespective of whether the relationship is loving. (2) Pauls absolute indictment against all forms of homosexuality is underscored by his mention of lesbian intercourse in Romans 1:26, since this form of intercourse in the ancient world was not typically characterized by sex with adolescents, slaves, or prostitutes...
...Some object that the phrase contrary to nature in Romans 1:2627 shows that Paul is only talking about people who naturally feel desires toward a person of the opposite sex but who then practice homosexuality. Paul says, For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another (Romans 1:2627). According to this view, Paul is not saying anything about people who naturally feel desires for a person of the same sex, for such desires would not be contrary to that persons nature. However, this is reading into the text a restriction that has no basis in the actual words that Paul wrote. He does not say contrary to their nature, but contrary to nature (Greek para physin), a phrase that is used several times in literature outside the Bible to speak of all kinds of homosexual conduct as something contrary to the natural order of the world. In other words, Paul is not saying in Romans 1:2427 that some people switched their innate heterosexual urges for contrived homosexual urges, but rather that people exchanged or left behind sexual relations with a true sexual complement (someone of the other sex) to gratify their inward urges for sex with members of the same sex. Paul sees such people as choosing to follow their desires over God-ordained creation structures.”
From the link above.
We've been discussing this this delusion in all of its aggravating detail.
“If so, it will be due to the emergence of conservative Christians who say orthodox believers can support life-long, monogamous gay relationships without undermining their commitment to biblical authority.
She is and has been prolife for a long time.
Kirsten is intelligent and cute, but a slow learner. Here’s another example of the slow part: Back in the day, she dated Anthony Weiner for a while.
It’s not up to you to let her do anything. You should pray for her and let the grace of God do its work.
Wolf in sheep’s clothing.