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Dear Mr. Gothard
redemptionpictures.com/ ^ | 8 July 2014 | Heather E. Corcoran

Posted on 08/26/2014 10:53:34 AM PDT by DariusBane

You would see me across the room when we arrived on Saturday night for staff dinner. You’d signal to me in a personal and private way that you wanted me to sit with you. And you always positioned me just directly across from you. You’d slide your feet out of your shoes and play footsies with me. You would use your feet to feel But rather than offering that protection, you exploited that situation. You asked me to tell you how it felt. To tell you if my body was aroused by their touches. You wanted vivid details. But you didn’t just want them once. For months, we had the same conversations. Repeatedly. Alone. No parent sitting in. No accountability for you. No protection for me.

You violated me in your own way by repeatedly demanding me to talk about those graphic sexual acts with you. You taught me that there are no “victims” in sexual abuse; only people who have un-confessed sin in their life and are now receiving their own. You taught me to feel shame for my body’s sexual responses. You held me responsible for what they’d done to me, telling me that if I did not comply with our “counseling sessions”, you would have no choice but to take my situation to the local authorities. You coerced me. ...my calves and knees and feet all the while, smiling warmly and winking at me in those fractions of a second when no one was watching.

As an adult now – and especially as a parent of daughters – I have gone through tremendous sadness for my young self that there simply was not within me the red lights that should have been flashing. Something inside of me was not right and you were the one who impeded

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TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: abuse; cult; religious; sexual
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Bill Gothard, this is a story about him as told by one of his victims.

Bill Gothard is the man behind the Duggers.

1 posted on 08/26/2014 10:53:34 AM PDT by DariusBane
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To: DariusBane

BTW,

Heather was 11 years old when this started.


2 posted on 08/26/2014 10:54:12 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: DariusBane

Are you accusing the Duggers by Guilt by Association?


3 posted on 08/26/2014 11:07:51 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie
 

Are you accusing the Duggers by Guilt by Association?

He certainly is

He's been trolling this thread for hours. The Duggars are scum.

 

4 posted on 08/26/2014 11:08:54 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: SoConPubbie

They are a big big part of that “ministry”. They are personal friends of BG. Anybody remotely connected with that “ministry” knows that the current scandal is a repeat of the 1980 scandal.

The Duggers are at the very least complicate by there silence and participation.

They are cultists and should be treated with the same skepticism given the Hubbardites.


5 posted on 08/26/2014 11:25:55 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: Responsibility2nd

If trolling means exposing cockroaches to sunlight then I am guilty as charged.


6 posted on 08/26/2014 11:27:16 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: DariusBane
So what? Bill Gothard is a man. Men are never perfect and many a preacher has fallen into sin. It does not make the Bible any less the word of God.

If the Duggers(whoever they are) are preaching something un-Biblical then go after that. The logic of lumping one man's sin on all of an organization is beyond idiotic.

7 posted on 08/26/2014 11:32:16 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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They are cultists

Really? How are they cultist? What is their Biblical lie they teach or do you need to learn what a Christian cult is?

8 posted on 08/26/2014 11:34:04 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Lady Heron

Yes BG is a man.

His ministry has gone on since 1980 when sex allegations first came up. His ministry perpetrates a closed cycle loop of abuse, control, cover up.

So yeah if you want to just look the other way, go ahead. I won’t.


9 posted on 08/26/2014 11:35:35 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: Lady Heron

How are they cultist?

A closed society with strict internal confidentiality enforced with shamming, exclusion, and sometimes imprisonment.

Special knowledge, hidden scripture meaning, restrictions on associations.

Special dress, special rules, one special guy at the top who “can do no wrong”.


10 posted on 08/26/2014 11:37:40 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: Lady Heron

A whole lot of people at this web site will open your eyes if they can be opened.


11 posted on 08/26/2014 11:38:52 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: Lady Heron

Sorry, forgot the link

http://www.recoveringgrace.org/


12 posted on 08/26/2014 11:40:04 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: DariusBane

I haven’t the faintest idea what this thread is about.


13 posted on 08/26/2014 12:37:41 PM PDT by eCSMaster ("Your apathy is their power." - Sarah Palin Jul 19, 2014)
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To: Lady Heron

I just read this article in its entirety and it is appalling.

This *BG is a man and sinner just like the rest of us* meme is the EXACT same one Catholics use to defend their pederast priests.

You can lump one man’s sin on an organization when HE is it and runs it.


14 posted on 08/26/2014 1:36:21 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: DariusBane

I went to IBYP a couple times.

When we homeschooled, we had friends who did his homeschooling program and they fit right in with that cult mentality about how children were supposed to behave, etc. They had all the answers.

Turns out one of their sons moved away from home as a young man and was living with his girlfriend and had rented a separate apartment that he claimed he was living in and his parents thought he was really living there the whole time he was living with his girlfriend.

Clearly, God spared us from getting sucked into what he had to offer.

After reading this article, I am going to find all our materials and shred or burn them or somehow dispose of them.


15 posted on 08/26/2014 1:41:03 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

BG exerted so much control over individuals and was so highly regarded and revered that is impossible to seperate the man from the org or its teaching. Shameful that evangelicals failed to Police him. Charles Stanley stood up for him as did Bob Jones, Gary Smalley and others.


16 posted on 08/26/2014 1:57:26 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: metmom

This *BG is a man and sinner just like the rest of us* meme is the EXACT same one Catholics use to defend their pederast priests.

...gee, what do you know...it’s the same exact thing Protestants do when defending their pederasts and homosexuals...we could go on and on, couldn’t we...?


17 posted on 08/26/2014 2:58:32 PM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: IrishBrigade

Which Protestant do you see defending pederast and homosexual Prots?


18 posted on 08/26/2014 3:47:27 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
I am not defending the man in the least!

Are you saying all Catholics believe in abusing children the way a few priest have done and thus being Catholic is a cult?

What I said is unless the Duggards(whoever they are) are preach something that puts them in the cult status then stop painting all of them with the same brush.

You can not say all Catholics are evil because of a few evil men, nor all Baptist are evil because one preacher is evil or Church of Christ, Presbyterian etc.!

I think if you take a step back and think logically you could get the point.

19 posted on 08/26/2014 6:15:06 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: metmom
Which Protestant do you see defending pederast and homosexual Prots?

this is a situation, FAR more prevelant in Prot denominations than in Catholicism...which Prot denominations have gotten together, admitted their lack of attention to this problem, and paid out hundreds of millions of dollars to their "victims"??? The Prots, of course, are not a single entity that can be sued and therefore could ignore this whole situation with impunity. That, of course, in no way diminishes their acceptance and lack of concern.....it just basically absolves them of responsibility to the victims....pathetic.

20 posted on 08/26/2014 6:19:55 PM PDT by terycarl
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