Posted on 10/07/2014 8:34:19 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
Sounds to me like he is a Protestant at heart.
I said early on in FR, that I think this new pope will be to the Catholic Church what Obama is too our country.(A disaster) -Tom
What did PaulVI say, “The smoke of Satan has entered the sanctuary? HMMM. Becoming visible?
Are you referring to Lefevre’s group?
They don’t change dogmatic positions. They do vary, dramatically, on implemention. A bad pope’s idea of implementation might be : express ambiguity; encourage confusion; shut up on the specifics.
They don’t change dogmatic positions. They do vary, dramatically, on implemention. A bad pope’s idea of implementation might be : express ambiguity; encourage confusion; shut up on the specifics.
If they were infallible, they wouldn’t do that. They’re human and they will be judged just like every one of us.
This is a colorful historic Narrative, in a Monty Python kind of way, but it is untrue. The Church never taught as dogma that the earth is the center of the Universe, and nobody was ever put to death for any particular hypothesis about the structure of the Solar System.
Other than that, OK. :o)
Therefore:
Of course the world has changed. But Truth has not! It's not the Church's job to adapt to the world!
This man is not fit to occupy Peter's chair.
You're not missing anything. It's pope obama who's missing Truth.
I’m sure I’ll get flamed mercilessly for this, but isn’t this the Pope that was supposed to usher in some sort of calamity (per someone’s dream or vision)? I remember hearing about it a few years back. For those in the know, is his papacy fulfilling that vision?
It's all a big red herring any way. I mean the "barbarians" are at the gates so lets worry about a bunch of divorced Catholics who should not have remarried.
At least they are not knee-jerk reactionaries./s
They have only been debating this off and on for 40 years.
What an idiotic thing to say!
The Pope has just labeled himself a liberal.
Love it!
The FReehadists hate us mackerel snappers, for some reason.
"And we saw in an immense light that is God: 'something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White 'we had the impression that it was the Holy Father":
May 13, 1820: "I saw the relationship between the two Popes. I saw how baleful would be the consequences of this false church. I saw it increase in size; heretics of every kind came into the city (of Rome). The local clergy grew lukewarm, and I saw a great darkness. Then, the vision seemed to extend on every side. Whole Catholic communities were being oppressed, harassed, confined, and deprived of their freedom. I saw many churches close down, great miseries everywhere, wars and bloodshed. A wild and ignorant mob took to violent action. But it did not last long."
"Once more I saw the Church of Peter was undermined by a plan evolved by the secret sect, while storms were damaging it. But I saw also that help was coming when distress had reached its peak. I saw again the Blessed Virgin ascend on the Church and spread Her mantle [over it]. I saw a Pope who was at once gentle, and very firm . . . I saw a great renewal, and the Church rose high in the sky."
August 10, 1820: "I see the Holy Father in great anguish. He lives in a palace other than before and he admits only a limited number of friends near him. I fear that the Holy Father will suffer many more trials before he dies. I see that the false Church of Darkness is making progress, and I see the dreadful influence that it has on people. The Holy Father and the Church are verily in so great a distress that one must implore God day and night."
"Last night I was taken to Rome where the Holy Father, immersed in his sorrows, is still hiding to elude dangerous demands (made upon him). He is very weak, and exhausted by sorrows, cares, and prayers. He can now trust but few people. This is mainly why he is hiding. But he still has with him an aged priest who has much simplicity and godliness. He is his friend, and because of his simplicity they did not think it would be worth removing him. But this man receives many graces from God. He sees and notices a great many things which he faithfully reports to the Holy Father. It was required of me to inform him, while he was praying, of the traitors, and evil-doers who were to be found among the high-ranking servants living close to him, so that he might be made aware of it."
August 25, 1820: "I do not know in what manner I was taken to Rome last night, but I found myself near the Church of St. Mary Major, and I saw many poor people who were greatly distressed and worried because the Pope was to be seen nowhere, and also on account of the restlessness and the alarming rumors in the city. These people did not seem to expect the church doors to open; they only wanted to pray outside. An inner urging had led them there individually. But I was in the Church and I opened the doors. They came in, surprised and frightened because the doors had opened. It seems to me that I was behind the door, and they could not see me. There was no office on in the Church, but the Sanctuary lamps were lit. The people prayed quite peacefully."
"Then I saw an apparition of the Mother of God, and she said that the tribulation would be very great. She added that these people must pray fervently with outstretched arms, be it only long enough to say three Our Fathers. This was the way her Son prayed for them on the Cross. They must rise at twelve at night and pray in this manner; and they must keep coming to the Church. They must pray above all for the Church of Darkness to leave Rome."
"She (the Holy Mother) said a great many other things that it pains me to relate: she said that if only one priest could offer the bloodless sacrifice as worthily and with the same dispositions as the Apostles, he could avert all the disasters (that are to come). To my knowledge the people in the church did not see the apparition, but they must have been stirred by something supernatural, because as soon as the Holy Virgin had said that they must pray to God with outstretched arms, they all raised their arms. These were all good and devout people, and they did not know where help and guidance should be sought. There were no traitors and no enemies among them, yet they were afraid of one another. One can judge thereby what the situation was like."
September 27, 1820: "I saw deplorable things: they were gambling, drinking, and talking in church; they were courting women. All sorts of abominations were perpetrated there. Priests allowed everything and said Mass with much irreverence. I saw that few of them were still godly, and only a few of them had sound views on things. I also saw Jews standing under the porch of the Church. All these things caused me much distress."
June 1, 1821: "Among the strangest things that I saw, were long processions of bishops. Their thoughts and utterances were made known to me through images issuing from their mouths. Their faults towards religion were shown by external deformities. A few had only a body, with a dark cloud of fog instead of a head. Others had only a head, their bodies and hearts were like thick vapors. Some were lame; others were paralytics; others were asleep or staggering."
"I saw what I believe to be nearly all the bishops of the world, but only a small number were perfectly sound. I also saw the Holy Father-- God-fearing and prayerful. Nothing left to be desired in his appearance, but he was weakened by old age and by much suffering. His head was lolling from side to side, and it dropped onto his chest as if he were falling asleep. He often fainted and seemed to be dying. But when he was praying, he was often comforted by apparitions from Heaven. Then, his head was erect, but as soon as it dropped again onto his chest, I saw a number of people looking quickly right and left, that is, in the direction of the world."
"Then I saw that everything that pertained to Protestantism was gradually gaining the upper hand, and the Catholic religion fell into complete decadence. Most priests were lured by the glittering but false knowledge of young school-teachers, and they all contributed to the work of destruction."
"In those days, Faith will fall very low, and it will be preserved in some places only, in a few cottages and in a few families which God has protected from disasters and wars."
April 12, 1820: "I had another vision of the great tribulation. It seems to me that a concession was demanded from the clergy which could not be granted. I saw many older priests, especially one, who wept bitterly. A few younger ones were also weeping. But others, and the lukewarm among them, readily did what was demanded. It was as if people were splitting into two camps."
October 22, 1822: "Very bad times will come when non-Catholics will lead many people astray. A great confusion will result. I saw the battle also. The enemies were far more numerous, but the small army of the faithful cut down whole rows (of enemy soldiers). During the battle, the Blessed Virgin stood on a hill, wearing a suit of armor. It was a terrible war. At the end, only a few fighters for the just cause survived, but the victory was theirs."
Exactly!
If he ever made up his mind to do that, we have to believe he would drop dead before it could happen. Or have a completely disabling stroke.
I believe this Pope is simply going to muck around, humiliating the Church for several more years, and then either die or retire. Ten years from now, he will be considered an embarrassment and a clown, sort of like Jimmy Carter, but with fewer actual accomplishments.
Antonio Socci has a new book out this month with the thesis that the last conclave is null and void:
http://gloria.tv/media/7xDnCPr58iC
Thank you for your observation. The following words are quoted from a late-1800's/early 1900's Episcopal Bishop and seem appropriate for inclusion here:
"All the ages down some men have superciliously declared, 'The days of religion are numbered.' But her sacred books outlast the critics. Resting her hand upon the Bible, the Church can say, 'Here is an anvil that has worn out many a hammer.'" - Bishop William Hobart Hare - Niobrara Convocation Address, 1899
Bishop Hare, in addition to his work with the American Indians, ministered to the Japanese and Chinese in later years.
The following passage comes from "The Life and Labors of Bishop Hare" - 1912 relating remarks delivered at Trinity Church, Tokio (sic).
"A single passage from his address to them which in general was more a report than a sermon is all that need be quoted:'I would urge upon all who are called upon in any capacity to teach religion to the people, that they keep carefully to those salient points in the broad lines of Christian truths of which it may be said that they are Catholic, that they have been held 'always, everywhere and by all.' We are here not of our own motion but of the Church's appointment, and we are commissioned to teach, not our own peculiar views of the things to be believed, and the things to be done, but what the Church teaches. This body, of truth is presented to us in the Creed, the Lord's Prayer and the Ten Commandments, and in the striking summaries and paraphrases of them which our short Catechism contains. They con tain truths so compact and terse in statement, that, as the intelligent teacher, familiar with the Scriptures, dwells on them, texts and incidents, impressive, pathetic, tender, from the His- torical Books, the Prophets, the Psalms, Gospels, Epistles, rise up in the memory and leap forward ready to expand, illustrate and enforce them. I fear these treasures are not adequately appre- ciated. Religious emotions are of high value, but they rise and fall. They are not perennial.
'Religious opinions rise up and flourish in each age, in individuals and little coteries, and are like the passing highly-colored cloud. They attract attention and pass away. But the great truths taught in the formulas just referred to are not dependent upon emotion. They are not matters of opinion. They are seed truth. They are capable of perpetual germination. Once lodged in the mind, they 'spring and grow up and bring forth fruit, we know not how,' even though they be long inactive and apparently dead, and from their renewed life, holy emotions and pious opinions and right living result almost as a mat ter of course.'" - Bishop William Hobart Hare
Who you calling a mackrel snapper? You mackrel snapper! ;D
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