Posted on 10/28/2014 9:44:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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The scientific evidence to the contrary is simply bad science.
Really...
We've been reading the context of your ancient teachings and it still doesn't make any sense...
Prior to Pope Francis, we had two of the most incredible philosophical and theological minds as Popes.
Col_2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Well there ya go...God warns us about your philosophical popes...
Science and religion are not at odds. Science is the way we figure out how an infinite, omnipresent, and omnipotent power created our physical universe. Since there is very little truly settled science, we must keep seeking the truth.
Act 17:18 Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
1Co 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1Co 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1Co 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
1Co 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
1Co 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1Co 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
God's pretty clear on intellectual human philosophy...He says to reject it...But yet Catholics are drawn to it like flies to a picnic...
Science and religion are not at odds. Science is the way we figure out how an infinite, omnipresent, and omnipotent power created our physical universe. Since there is very little truly settled science, we must keep seeking the truth.
1Ti_6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
If God wanted you to know how he created Creation, he would have told you...One thing's for certain...God's not too impressed with the science of philosophers...
God says he created everything and he created man in his own image...Some of what he did is recorded in Job and the Psalms...It's comical we have so-called scientists and popes trying to prove God wrong...
If he thinks God using His limitless power as He sees fit makes Him a "magician", he IS insane. I can recognize that without personal dislike.
"Back to your non sequitur. "
There was none. Let's concentrate on yours.
"Just because the whole of creation was made in a flash, and Pope Francis is making that point, doesnt not suggest, in any way, that Pope Francis believes God is incapable of doing so. This is why I called you out."
Go search what he said. His words: "...we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand, able to do everything."
So there you have it. We can't get caught up in some crazy idea that God can do everything.
Your time would be better spent "calling out" your thoroughly nutty pope.
Meanwhile, the exact same science tells him that there is no such thing as a seedless virginal conception. Apparently he picks and chooses when to listen to science.
Yet human history can be traced to about 6000 years ago...
If you reject one or the other how can it be but faulty science???
But wait!!! I thought Adam and Eve started out as a sexless piece of dust...One of them is wrong, either the pope or God...
God calls that human philosophy...And he wasn't silent on the issue...
Nope. The Bible has already told us all that we need to know.
As a Catholic, I have never seen a Pope so misrepresent the Word of God. He seems to do it intentionally, whether it be about marriage, salvation, the Ten Commandments, etc.
Except for magical fatherless babies, bouncing and spinning suns, multiplying loaves and fishes, dead men returning to life three days after dying . . . and that whole "hocus pocus" thing.
Consider this site: BRI2015shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
We know that Jesus didn’t always speak literally, unless by “fishers of men” he meant for his followers to grab bamboo rods and some dough balls.
To me, the slow unfolding of billions of years of creation through evolution sounds awesome and majestic - something only God could put into motion. Not un-Biblical at all.
Funny. creationists making jokes about magic fairy dust.
Have you ever dug up a fossil?
Have you ever looked at the stars in earnest?
Have you a real sense of what a century is? and from that, an inkling of a thousand years? a hint of a million?
6000 years is but sixty lifespans back to back. Meh. What is that to a God who stands outside time? Who created much of all before “day” made any sense? A universe dominated by light, for which time means nothing at all? He may have as well made it all 20 minutes ago.
Evolution defies the Second Law of Thermodynamics, probability theory and common sense.
Yes I have and yes I do...
6000 years is but sixty lifespans back to back. Meh. What is that to a God who stands outside time? Who created much of all before day made any sense? A universe dominated by light, for which time means nothing at all? He may have as well made it all 20 minutes ago.
I don't know about that...
I believe in an old earth...I also believe the bible record of the six days of creation...Not a young earth but a young creation of what is taught in the scriptures...
I can see the truth in both sides...Oddly, for so many people it has to be one or the other...
Waiting for the official translation. What is being reported comes out of Google Translate.
So that’s where the conversation ends??? You chose to reject bible history in favor of your theory???
Yeah, because human knowledge has always been superior to revealed truth... right?
If you’re not going to grant me a few hours to sleep instead of prioritizing response to your vague response, then yeah the conversation will end. You posted past midnight, then berate me for not responding before I’ve had morning coffee?
No I don’t reject Bible history. I just don’t see how it conflicts with what I see in the real world, where ‘tis sensible to deduce that some things took as long as billions of years to occur. 6 day creation? there weren’t “days” for the first few, and the creation was by something for which time has little meaning as we understand it (and badly at that). I’m open to better theories, so long as they don’t outright reject what plainly _is_ because to do so is to reject creation itself in favor of a theory explaining it.
But yeah, good point to end the conversation. I’m not going to check in every few minutes, when otherwise preoccupied with sleep or work, just to satiate your ego.
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