For Advent: Two Canons: Scripture & Tradition

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[BipolarBob]

Two words....Holy Spirit.

Thank you eagleone. You beat me to it.

[BipolarBob]

"Why don’t Protestants in general accept this?"
Because people sometimes lie. For example, in 1 Kings 13 a man of God is sent from Judah to Bethel to prophecy. God tells him not to eat or drink until he gets back. But as he returns, an old prophet of God tells him the Lord has rescinded the command about eating and drinking. The man of God then goes home with the old prophet to have dinner. But while they are eating, a revelation comes that the order not to eat or drink is still in effect; the old prophet had been lying.

[Salvation]

Catholics are not lying about Holy Tradition and Holy Scripture working together hand in hand.

[Salvation]

I don’t believe I was talking with you on that question.

[mountn man]

Gee...no one accused catholics of lying.

But if you're feeling guilty about something...

[ealgeone]

Through people speaking to one another face to face — Holy Tradition. Why don’t Protestants in general accept this?

So now speaking is tradition??? No one denies Paul talked with the disciples and other individuals. But does that make it "tradition"????

Also noted in this passage in 1 Corinthians 15:5-8 is that Jesus appeared to James....His half brother. And yet catholicism says Mary remained a virgin.

[mountn man]

"For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Gal. 1:11-12)."

So much for "tradition"

[Salvation]

Remember in Aramaic there was no word for brother. The word brother connoted cousin.

Even Luther, Calvin and Zwingli claim Mary was a perpetual virgin.

[verga]

The article tells when the deuterocanonical were adopted. Did you read it?

Why would they want to confuse themselves with the facts. It is just so much easier to spout the nonsense they have been programmed with.

[Salvation]

So true. They believe the propaganda from pamphlets and preachers who hate Catholicism.

[JPX2011]

367 AD. Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria was the first to list all 27 books of the NT to be read in a church service.

Too bad St. Athanasius included Baruch in his canon. Where's yours?

And at the Council of Trent in 1546, in a hissy fit, the catholic church, ignoring all of this, included the apocrypha as "canon" in spite of Jerome not according them the same status as the OT.

The canon of Scripture, Old and New Testament, was finally settled at the Council of Rome in 382, under the authority of Pope Damasus I. It was soon reaffirmed on numerous occasions. The same canon was affirmed at the Council of Hippo in 393 and at the Council of Carthage in 397. In 405 Pope Innocent I reaffirmed the canon in a letter to Bishop Exuperius of Toulouse. Another council at Carthage, this one in the year 419, reaffirmed the canon of its predecessors and asked Pope Boniface to "confirm this canon, for these are the things which we have received from our fathers to be read in church." All of these canons were identical to the modern Catholic Bible, and all of them included the deuterocanonicals.

1,000 years before Trent.

As for St. Jerome? He does not belong to the protestants:

"What sin have I committed if I followed the judgment of the churches? But he who brings charges against me for relating the objections that the Hebrews are wont to raise against the story of Susanna, the Son of the Three Children, and the story of Bel and the Dragon, which are not found in the Hebrew volume (ie. canon), proves that he is just a foolish sycophant. For I wasn't relating my own personal views, but rather the remarks that they [the Jews] are wont to make against us" (Against Rufinus 11:33 [A.D. 402]

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Ironically Protestants, who normally scoff at tradition in favor of the Bible, themselves are using a Bible based on tradition”

The only canon that is authoritative is Scripture. That canon has been examined by scholars numerous times and earlier errors corrected.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“Remember in Aramaic there was no word for brother. The word brother connoted cousin.”

There is a word for brother in Greek. There is a word for cousin too.

God chose the Greek word for brother when He inspired Scripture.

[ealgeone]

Paul could have used the Greek word for cousin. He didn't. He used the word for brother. Again, context is the key. He called James the Lord's brother.

ditch the catholic talking points and read the Word.

[mountn man]

ditch the catholic talking points and read the Word.

That would go against their "Holy Traditions".

[Iscool]

One test is whether a given tradition contradicts what has previously been revealed. As anti-Catholics often point out, proposed traditions must be tested against scripture. If a proposed tradition contradicts something God has said in scripture (or something said in already known apostolic tradition) then that shows it is merely a tradition of men and may be disregarded. The Church is thus more than happy to test proposed traditions against scripture.

Ya right.....

Forbid not to eat meat...Call no man father...A bishop must have a wife and kids...

Your religion flunked before it even got started...

The blind leading the blind...

[Iscool]

Talk to Jimmy Akin, please.

Why??? You just blindly posting his stuff since he's a Catholic???

[Iscool]

Remember in Aramaic there was no word for brother. The word brother connoted cousin.

There may not be a word in Farci for pizza as well...But since the N.T. was written in Greek, I don't we have to care...

[unlearner]

I have engaged in these debates for countless hours, and I suppose I will continue to do so.

The “church” does authenticate and verify the true scriptures because the church does here Christ’s voice and is indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

The Word of God commends itself to me. It resonates with me when I read it. I recognize it to be from God because His Spirit within me testifies that it is His word.

I am a part of the church as is every blood-bought believer in Christ who has been granted this ability to discern His voice by His indwelling Spirit.

Those of us who have believed do not need man’s testimony. We do not need clergy to tell us it is His word because the Spirit Himself tells us.

We do recognize the authority of the apostles and their commandments and their traditions which HAVE BEEN RECORDED IN SCRIPTURE.

2 Peter 1:12-15
For this reason I will not be negligent to remind you always of these things, though you know and are established in the present truth. Yes, I think it is right, as long as I am in this tent, to stir you up by reminding you, knowing that shortly I must put off my tent, just as our Lord Jesus Christ showed me. Moreover I will be careful to ensure that you always have a reminder of these things after my decease.

[unlearner]

It’s late.
Here = hear.