Posted on 12/05/2014 7:18:21 PM PST by Salvation
Do you protestants eat fat or not?
Further it doesn't matter because like I said NEW COVENANT, NEW RULES!
Jesus said it, I believe it, you are the ones saying Jesus lied.
Lev_3:17 It shall be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwellings, that ye shall eat neither fat nor blood.
No, the prohibition against eating blood *did* indeed come before the Old Covenant. It is plainly there in the Scripture passage from Genesis that metmom provided you. In that passage, God forbid Noah and his descendents from eating blood. Shouldn’t you have addressed metmom’s point that the prohibition against eating blood is given in Genesis, before the Old Covenant, and is also given again by the Apostles in the book of Acts, if you’re going to discuss God’s Word as it is, and seek to tell people how to interpret it?
I also had to wonder if you did something likewise with my reply in Post 294. I discussed John 6 and the Last Supper, but you replied only to this,
” Then consider something else, as well. At the Last Supper, Jesus did not give His Apostles either of His blood or His flesh to drink or
to which you said:
“He did them His literal Body and Blood.
This was no parable, there was no crowd, just the disciples.”
Are you familiar with John 6, or if not did you read it when I mentioned it? The crowd is there in John 6, as I discussed, and I never claimed they were there at the Last Supper, so my first thought in reaction to that reply is that it makes no sense for you to dispute the crowd’s presence in any way. But then I thought of another possibility for how you meant that, but it is equally not relevant while also failing to address what happens in John 6.
So, the thought was this: what you meant is that Jesus said something similar in both John 6 and at the Last Supper, and since the crowd wasn’t at the Last Supper, but only the disciples, then it should be concluded that He meant for his words to be taken literally, across both situations mentioned, and all other possible situations. Is that your point, then?
If it is, then it doesn’t logically follow. You’re assuming first that because the crowd, including some disciples, turned away from Jesus at the literal meaning of the words, and then Jesus later used the same words, that, logically it follows that when Jesus used essentially the same words, that they were meant to be taken literally, as the crowd (including some disciples outside the 12) took them. But, if the crowd *misunderstood* the words, due to their hardened hearts of unbelief, and that caused them to turn away, that would not make the misunderstanding into a truth that the twelve disciples believed. And considering the Gospels *say* Jesus spoke to the crowds in parables because they were unbelieving, and something similar happened when the Pharisees took Jesus literally when He spoke of the temple being destroyed, and Jesus *did not* give the disciples His actual flesh and blood to consume, then the possibility that He did not, strictly speaking, mean what He said literally, has to be addressed and eliminated as a possibility, if what you say is to be considered true.
And let me further say, in the Last Supper itself, as I said, Jesus is present there in body, but He gave His disciples bread and wine which He said were His body and blood, not His own actual body and blood, although He could have pricked Himself and cut small portions from Himself if He’d chosen to. And if instead, His resurrected body was required, then He could have given to His disciples actual blood and meat from Himself afterward, since He appeared to them and told them to touch Him, meaning He was physically there.
Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 11, though,
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23 For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus, on the night he was handed over, took bread,
24 and, after he had given thanks, broke it and said, “This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”
25 In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes.” (Catholic Bible)
To “proclaim the death of the Lord until He comes” (returns in glory). So what would be the reasons for believers to proclaim the death of the Lord? What is the meaning of His death?
And, the fact of the matter is also that, if you read through the Gospels, and the New Testament, and the entire Bible, what is the importance giving to believing on the Lord? Jesus constantly spoke on believing on Him, and unbelief, as did the Gospel writers, and the rest of the New Testament and Bible writers. And even where the Gospel is proclaimed, which is often, the Roman Catholic beliefs on Holy Communion aren’t a part of it.
I do believe, as I said, that evangelicals are wrong to say that Holy Communion is “just a symbol.” I understand where those who say that are coming from, but their own beliefs don’t fit that. 1 Corinthians 10 says of the Israelites,
I do not want you to be unaware, brothers, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea,
2 and all of them were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
3 All ate the same spiritual food,
4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they drank from a spiritual rock that followed them,* and the rock was the Christ.
1 Corinthians 10 also speaks of believers as being of one body, which is one bread, which while in the literal sense of this world isn’t true, spiritually in an eternal sense, it is. So I believe that it is spiritually true that Jesus is having us eat His body and drink His blood, and that He is a shepherd and we sheep, that He is also a door, and a temple as well, and that we, when we believe in Him as our Savior, are part of that temple.
And to go back to what Roman Catholics need to prove, then, it has to be proved that Jesus’ words were meant literally, and He was not using a figure of speech which would be taken as a spiritual truth by those who believed in Him and understood what He meant because they did. And Jesus’ words, in themselves, prove nothing. As language goes, they could be literal, but they could also be a figure a speech, because some figures involve saying that someone or some thing is someone or some thing else, which they clearly are not. So, to prove Jesus meant His words either way, that has to be done from looking at the rest of what we know about Him (which involves conclusively answering the types of questions mentioned here), and Roman Catholics would also say, because the Roman Catholic Church says it’s true. But if make that last claim without truly and independently proving that it’s shown in Scripture, then you are relying on Roman Catholic tradition, not Scripture.
I pray that you come to the truth. Just so you know I am no longer reading these posts.
Good job.
The white flag was raised when confronted with the truth you posted.
I pray myself that you would come to know the truth. You’ve said repeatedly in this thread and elsewhere that not answering says something, while you yourself have declined to try to answer here.
Oh that is a white flag in YOUR hand.
I have answered you, and will continue to pray for you. Please let metmom know how you feel as well about questions left unanswered.
1 Corinthians 1:18-31 For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written,“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the discernment of the discerning I will thwart.”
Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
What is your degree in? Do you go Doctors that never went to Medical school, A lawyer that never went to Law school. Has your plumber served an apprenticeship?
I’ll continue to pray for you, but you didn’t answer post 303, which was on Scripture and Christian interpretation of it. It’s not a topic that could ever become irrelevant either, so getting to the truth about them matters.
I don’t think I’ve read every post you and metmom have written on what you’re mentioning to me, but from what I can see the whole matter is something minor and personal, and since it involves personal information metmom might not want to answer you on it for that reason. But it is not directly about what something in the Bible means, is it?
See post 304, this is my last reply to you on this thread.
I read it when you wrote it. You had previously replied on the Scriptures and doctrine that we were discussing, in reply to what I wrote, but on 303, you decided not to. And that’s the truth of it. God’s Word asks in Psalm 15, basically who will live with the Lord. And it provides answers, among them those who speak the truth in their hearts. The New Testament says we need to receive a love of the truth. That means to stop trying to decide for ourselves what’s true, but to ask the Lord to show it to us.
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