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Peeved Parishioners Leaving SF Catholic Church Over Ban On Girls As Altar Servers
CBS San Francisco ^ | 1/23/15 | Dan Lin

Posted on 01/24/2015 12:45:37 PM PST by marshmallow

SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF) — A Bay Area church is now under fire over a controversial new policy saying only boys can be altar servers.

The new practice is making waves at the century old church Star of the Sea. Since the ’70s, they’ve used altar girls during masses.

The well-known Richmond District church also has a school serving about 230 kids. When the new priest banned girls from being altar servers, it generated outrage among parents and parishioners alike. The priest admits some parishioners even left the church.

“It’s disturbing,” said churchgoer Connie Porciuncula.

Star of the Sea School parent Tara Widmer agrees. “They’re definitely taking a step in the wrong direction,” she said.

Father Joseph Illo took over five months ago and decided to train only boys to be altar servers. He said he has no choice but to exclude girls because the future of the church is at stake.

“The specifics of serving at the altar is a priestly function,” Illo said. “And the Catholic church does not ordain women.”

But many parishioners and parents criticize the new practice saying it sends the wrong message.

“It just kind of makes me feel that I’m not good enough because I’m a girl,” said a 7th grader at the school who wishes to stay anonymous.

(Excerpt) Read more at sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com ...


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1 posted on 01/24/2015 12:45:37 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
“The specifics of serving at the altar is a priestly function,” Illo said. “And the Catholic church does not ordain women.”

Dang it. I was an altar boy for three years and I never got ordained. I'm suing.

2 posted on 01/24/2015 12:47:28 PM PST by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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To: marshmallow
The good father is just trying to avoid this catastrophe:


3 posted on 01/24/2015 12:49:16 PM PST by Slyfox (To put on the mind of George Washington read ALL of Deuteronomy 28, then read his Farewell Address)
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To: raybbr

Then why vest them with cossack and surplice or alb if they are not an acolyte/understudy..


4 posted on 01/24/2015 12:49:49 PM PST by scbison
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To: marshmallow

Remember when it was “controversial” for girls to serve at the altar?


5 posted on 01/24/2015 12:50:22 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: marshmallow

I wish they wouldn’t have the right to vote either.


6 posted on 01/24/2015 12:50:36 PM PST by Clemenza (Lurking)
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To: Clemenza

Whoa there. Really?


7 posted on 01/24/2015 12:52:16 PM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Clemenza

well, that’ll wake people up .....
(smile)
(smile)


8 posted on 01/24/2015 12:56:48 PM PST by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..)
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To: Clemenza
I wish they wouldn’t have the right to vote either.

Yeah, we've all been suffraging ever since...

9 posted on 01/24/2015 12:57:16 PM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: marshmallow

Hey, if they want to go to the Anglican Church a/k/a the church of lesbianism and pederasty, that is their decision.


10 posted on 01/24/2015 12:59:13 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: marshmallow
the future of the church is at stake.

It's past time people woke up to this fact. I just hope it's not too late.

11 posted on 01/24/2015 1:07:42 PM PST by Legatus (Either way, we're screwed.)
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To: marshmallow

As I expected, the article only quotes those who disagree with the pastor.

If this parish has been using female servers since the 70s then they were in violation of Canon law for 20-odd years as this INDULT allowing female servers was only granted in 1994.

The pastor is doing the right thing. God bless him and give us many more like him.


12 posted on 01/24/2015 1:09:21 PM PST by jtal (St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle ....)
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To: Clemenza
I wish they wouldn’t have the right to vote either.

Given their support for liberals, I sometimes feel that way.

13 posted on 01/24/2015 1:19:07 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: marshmallow
My guess is that this has more to do with the priests wanting boys to molest than with tradition or misogyny. After all, this is San Francisco.
14 posted on 01/24/2015 1:21:24 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: marshmallow

Why doesn’t he tell the little girls that boys need to do the clean-up and set-up at mass so they learn to be humble servants of God,and not big-headed pimps and thugs?
Girls are absolutely “good enough” to draw near to Jesus. They just might not need the lesson that the altar boy job is teaching.


15 posted on 01/24/2015 1:22:51 PM PST by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: marshmallow

“’It just kind of makes me feel that I’m not good enough because I’m a girl,’ said a 7th grader at the school who wishes to stay anonymous.”

And as soon as you learn that it’s not about you, but about effacing yourself before God, it will make sense. Make it about God, and it will not be important if you are allowed to be an altar server in your parish.


16 posted on 01/24/2015 1:24:33 PM PST by paterfamilias
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To: AlaskaErik

I know a priest who was sent there. Since priests don’t pick their assignments, it’s not fair to say that they are there because they chose to be. My friend found the place spiritually barren. People would show up at funerals without the faintest idea how to act, or what it was supposed to be about. He found it really weird, and not for any of the typical SF-joke reasons.


17 posted on 01/24/2015 1:26:29 PM PST by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Tongue barely in cheek with that comment. ;)


18 posted on 01/24/2015 1:27:41 PM PST by Clemenza (Lurking)
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To: marshmallow

“Jesus is Lord” is the oldest Christian creed. He leads and the Church should follow because He is Lord. Many believers in Jesus were women, but He chose none of them to be among the Twelve Apostles. That is the way God wanted it, and we accept His will as perfect.

God made women to help Him bring about physical life, while He appointed men to help Him bring about spiritual life. Are we in our arrogance going to criticize God’s perfect will?


19 posted on 01/24/2015 1:33:37 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: marshmallow

https://www.ewtn.com/library/LITURGY/ALTBYHOM.TXT


20 posted on 01/24/2015 1:35:37 PM PST by jtal (St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle ....)
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To: marshmallow
“’It just kind of makes me feel that I’m not good enough because I’m a girl,’ said a 7th grader at the school who wishes to stay anonymous.”

Only if your parents are teaching you such a thing. It certainly isn't from the Church.

22 posted on 01/24/2015 1:38:20 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is PUBLIC ENEMY #1)
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To: workerbee

Wow! That language in a Religion thread? Are you sure you belong here?


23 posted on 01/24/2015 1:41:31 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: marshmallow

“Connie Porciuncula?”

What a moniker!


24 posted on 01/24/2015 1:46:50 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra (Don't touch that thing Don't let anybody touch that thing!I'm a Doctor and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: marshmallow; All

Luke 8:2-3 shows us that many women followed Jesus and his apostles to help support them. Based on Holy Bible passages, I don’t support women priests. But altar girls arguably reflect the women who supported Jesus and his apostles imo.


25 posted on 01/24/2015 1:51:46 PM PST by Amendment10
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To: raybbr

Me too. altar boy vet here. I think it’s a good thing actually. The priests nowadays are a bunch of faggots anyways which prevents them from molesting and raping the opposite sex.


26 posted on 01/24/2015 2:02:18 PM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Clemenza
I wish they wouldn’t have the right to vote either.

Well everyone's gotta admit, it's been downhill ever since then.........

LOL!

27 posted on 01/24/2015 2:09:26 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Man of "non-color" and proud of it)
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To: Tired of Taxes

“Remember when it was “controversial” for girls to serve at the altar?”

Understandable. Girls have cooties.


28 posted on 01/24/2015 2:12:10 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: txrefugee

“but He chose none of them to be among the Twelve Apostles.”

He wanted to do it but Paul wouldn’t let him #liberaltheology


29 posted on 01/24/2015 2:13:23 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AlaskaErik
“My guess is that this has more to do with the priests wanting boys to molest than with tradition or misogyny.”

I rather doubt that. The San Francisco Diocese has no monopoly on the transgressions of the priesthood. That behavior was wide spread until the lawsuits started. The Diocese is acutely aware of the damage a few bad actors can cause.

The SF Diocese has paid $68 million in settlements over the course of the scandals. They even fired all teenage rectory workers. Nominally it was presented as a safety measure as in the workers worked alone at desks and in areas that were open to street traffic presenting the possibility that crazy street people can wander in. The other side of that action helped to remove any temptations that may come up.

30 posted on 01/24/2015 2:24:19 PM PST by Polynikes (What would Walt Kowalski do. In the meantime "GET OFF MY LAWN")
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To: marshmallow

Well that’s fine, let em go,they should go ahead and join a flavor of religion that meets with their morals and desires and strictures. If they don’t like the tenants and strictures of the Catholic church they can be Protestants, or Seventh Day Adventists, Baptists,Lutherans or whatever, but join a church you agree with don’t expect or demand the church to change for you.


31 posted on 01/24/2015 2:29:25 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: marshmallow; Chode; Salvation; NYer

I remember when my church allowed girls, I went into raptures.


32 posted on 01/24/2015 2:31:49 PM PST by Morgana ( Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: marshmallow

I’ve never agreed with having girls as alter servers.


33 posted on 01/24/2015 2:40:33 PM PST by FrdmLvr ("WE ARE ALL OSAMA, 0BAMA!" al-Qaeda terrorists who breached the American compound in Benghazi)
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To: Mastador1

There are Protestant Churches that are more strict than the Catholic Church , there are some that are moderate and there are liberal ones too that allow women to be ordained.
Southern Baptist men as Ministers (Preacher) and women can be counselors, lay ministers.
ELCA (Liberal Lutheran)- Ordained women, some are allowing lesbians
LCMS (moderate Lutheran) women as lay ministers, counselors and teachers, Men generally ministers but some are wanting women to be ordained.
WELS (ultraconservative Lutheran) men as ministers women can be teachers and counselors only no such issue as lay minister
Methodist (moderate to Liberal) women are ministers
PCUSA (liberal Presbyterian) women as ministers
PCA (moderate to Conservative Presbyterian) Men as ministers women as counselors, teachers and lay ministers


34 posted on 01/24/2015 2:49:39 PM PST by hondact200 (Candor dat viribos alas (sincerity gives wings to strength) and Nil desperandum (never despair))
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To: marshmallow
peeved parishioners

I wonder how many of those are "pro-choice" Cafeteria-Catholics (aka Pelosi-Catholics).

35 posted on 01/24/2015 2:52:56 PM PST by windsorknot
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To: Tired of Taxes

Yes, I do.


36 posted on 01/24/2015 2:56:10 PM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: CynicalBear; Admin Moderator

Glad to see the bias-free moderating on this board continues apace.

LOL


37 posted on 01/24/2015 2:56:41 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is PUBLIC ENEMY #1)
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To: marshmallow
Peeved Parishioners Leaving SF Catholic Church Over Ban On Girls As Altar Servers

Well........bye.

38 posted on 01/24/2015 2:57:11 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: marshmallow
Only boys can be altar boys?

Imagine that!

39 posted on 01/24/2015 2:57:44 PM PST by aposiopetic
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To: AlaskaErik

Thank you for your disgusting reply. The priest in question has been known to me for many years, he is interested in saving souls not in sin.


40 posted on 01/24/2015 3:05:32 PM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: Legatus

+1


41 posted on 01/24/2015 3:25:06 PM PST by Bigg Red (Let's put the ship of state on Cruz Control with Ted Cruz.)
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To: jtal

The pastor is doing the right thing. God bless him and give us many more like him.

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Amen!


42 posted on 01/24/2015 3:26:01 PM PST by Bigg Red (Let's put the ship of state on Cruz Control with Ted Cruz.)
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To: paterfamilias

Well said.


43 posted on 01/24/2015 3:27:06 PM PST by Bigg Red (Let's put the ship of state on Cruz Control with Ted Cruz.)
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To: workerbee

Well said!


44 posted on 01/24/2015 3:28:21 PM PST by Bigg Red (Let's put the ship of state on Cruz Control with Ted Cruz.)
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To: Bigg Red

Apparently on the Religion board, it’s bad to use a “naughty” word, but ugly bigot-magnet smears are A-OK. It does make one question one’s financial contribution to this conservative, ostensibly Christian forum.


45 posted on 01/24/2015 3:35:33 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is PUBLIC ENEMY #1)
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To: workerbee

Thank you for appreciating the fair moderating we strive to use
The word you used that was in your removed post isn’t allowed anywhere on FR.
Opinions of many types are allowed on the Religion Forum
If you disagree with them debate it on the thread.


46 posted on 01/24/2015 3:42:53 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: hondact200

Hey all I’m sayin is if you don’t like the policies of a religion then you should go elsewhere, not expect the religion to change for you! America has already raised generations of morons who think, no, demand that the rules and laws be changed to want they want because they’re freakin “special”.


47 posted on 01/24/2015 3:59:22 PM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

If women were not allowed to vote, IIRC, there would not have been a single Democrat President since 1920.


48 posted on 01/24/2015 4:20:55 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: marshmallow

The rubber REALLY hits the road if Archbishop Cordileone backs up the priest.


49 posted on 01/24/2015 4:23:20 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: marshmallow
The altar boy is heir to the minor order of acolyte which was just below the subdeacon, lowest of the major orders. While no longer an ordained cleric, an altar boy or acolyte perfoms many functions that are the duty of the subdeacon.

Read this

It's important to recall the normative form of the mass calls for priest, deacon, and subdeacon at the altar. Every other form of the mass is an abbreviation.

50 posted on 01/24/2015 4:36:18 PM PST by Oratam
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