The Gospel in Church History (Part 1)

The Cripplegate ^ | September 12, 2013 | Nathan Busenitz

[ravenwolf]

editor-surveyor- wrote That’s all there was at Paul’s time.

Metmom wrote- The OT. The ones Jesus kept quoting about Himself as proof of the prophecy about Himself that He was fulfilling.

THAT was their Scripture.

I assume then that you agree when Paul wrote the below scripture he was also talking about the old testament?

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

[redleghunter]

“Faith alone” means that justification is not by works but by grace through faith. It was not a form of easy-believism—but rather the realization that our works contribute nothing to our righteous standing before God. “Christ alone” speaks to the fact that Jesus is Lord, and that it is His work, not ours, by which we are saved. “To the glory of God alone” indicates that, because salvation is by grace, we cannot boast in ourselves, but only give glory to God. And “Scripture alone” is the authority upon which we must derive our understanding of the gospel.

Indeed. The most basic Christian doctrine from the apostles.

[redleghunter]

Paul was of course referring to the Hebrew scriptures, TaNaKh.

As Peter pointed to various passages in Isaiah, most notably chapter 55.

Jesus to Nicodemus on born again found in Ezekiel 36 and Psalm 51.

The apostles preached right out of the OT and witnessed words and works of Christ.

[Springfield Reformer]

Which scriptures is Paul talking about?

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

There are many, many OT Scriptures that pertain to Christ in His first appearance.  See Isaiah 53 for a great example.  Or Psalm 22.  But despite all these, not even the disciples grasped their significance without the revelatory impact of Jesus' teaching:

Luke 24:25-27  Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:  (26)  Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?  (27)  And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

So the Scriptures do testify of Christ, and yet Paul as an apostle needed a crash course by direct revelation in all that the Scriptures say concerning Christ.  Even today, the Scriptures are a closed book to those operating in the flesh, and not the Spirit.

Peace,

SR

[redleghunter]

Trying to follow your point.

[editor-surveyor]

Absolutely!

Paul never preached anything as the word of God but the ancient scriptures he had spent his youth studying under Gamaliel.

That was why he was picked as an apostle.
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[editor-surveyor]

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>> “Even today, the Scriptures are a closed book to those operating in the flesh, and not the Spirit.” <<

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In a nutshell!

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[Iscool]

Marty’s problem is obvious...He really did want to serve God and he wanted assurance that what he was doing was acceptable to God...Marty’s heart was truly touched by God...

Mary was a Christian but his heart was torn...He did everything the Catholic religion told him he had to do but something important was missing...

Finally, taking matters into his own hands, Martin delved into the scriptures...Starting with Romans Chapter 3 and on thru Pauls epistles...He started reading and listening to what God had to say instead of the Catholic religion...

Thus, the Reformation was born...

[Elsie]

But this young man’s understanding of that verse was clouded.

Welcome to Catholicism!

[Iscool]

How could Luther have "discovered" something that had been defined by the Catholic Church nearly a thousand years previous?

The same way you could discover it if you were to take off the Catholic blinders...

There were thousands upon thousands of Christians thruout history who were not; refused to become Catholics...And they had the real scriptures, not those Roman scriptures that were created in and came up thru Egypt...

[Elsie]

The righteousness of God revealed in the gospel is not only the righteous requirement of God—of which all men fall short—but also the righteous provision of God whereby, in Christ, God imputes Christ’s righteousness to those who believe.

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Micah 6:8

He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.

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John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?

 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

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1 John 3:21-23
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him.
And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

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James 1:27

Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

 

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[Elsie]

[23] And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

That's all there was at Paul's time. .

And, evidently, enough for Jesus.

For when He told the story of Lazurus and the Great Gulf fixed; that is what was mentioned.

[Elsie]

Finally, taking matters into his own hands, Martin delved into the scriptures...

That'll make a heretic every time!!

[Elsie]

Thus, the Reformation was born...

...with the COUNTER Reformation close on it's heels.

[Iscool]

I assume then that you agree when Paul wrote the below scripture he was also talking about the old testament?

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

So nothing in the scriptures has any future application, eh???

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

So that has been out of vogue since the Crucifixion??? Now we come unto Mary for rest???

[Iscool]

...with the COUNTER Reformation close on it's heels.

Yes...But with the millions who left the Catholic religion and the new Christians it doesn't appear that the counter reformation was all that successful...

[ravenwolf]

So nothing in the scriptures has any future application, eh???

So that has been out of vogue since the Crucifixion??? Now we come unto Mary for rest???

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If you say so.

[ravenwolf]

So that has been out of vogue since the Crucifixion??? Now we come unto Mary for rest???

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Quite some time back there was a disagreement as to whether Paul considered his own epistles as scripture when he said in 2 Tim 3

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,

[ravenwolf]

Trying to follow your point

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Quite some time back there was a disagreement as to whether Paul considered his own epistles as scripture when he said in 2 Tim 3

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,

My key board is not working and I did not look to see the mistake.

Disregard the last subject line.

[ravenwolf]

Micah 6:8
John 6:28-29
1 John 3:21-23
James 1:27

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Very good.