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LDS Book of Mormon Violence [Mormon Jesus' cross accompanies mass destruction, death]
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Posted on 04/03/2015 6:39:24 AM PDT by Colofornian

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I don't agree 100% with the conclusion implied by this author's questions; but I still think the questions are worth weighing.

After all...
...the Bible itself -- like other historical literature -- can be violent with both warfare, the killing of children, the cutting up of a murdered concubine, etc.

But on this day, Good Friday, it's worth reviewing at least some of these Book of Mormon passages -- particularly the four 3 Nephi excerpts.

Because whereas the New Testament clearly says: "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him" (John 3:17), the Mormon "jesus" not only condemn but took revenge in mass murder ... IF we are to believe the Book of Mormon accounts.

I covered how the Book of Mormon Jesus is an entirely distinct "Jesus" than what is depicted in the Bible in a 2013 piece I posted:

Book of Mormon presents a violent destructive Jesus at time of crucifixion [Vanity]

1 posted on 04/03/2015 6:39:24 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Oh my yes.....lets start with the Mormons now, let degrade them, and roll them in the dirt, tar and feather them along with all the other Christians in the United States, but for hell’s sake don’t touch the Muslims.....

I’m Catholic, so lets start it up with them again to...

Come on people, stand up for our Religions or pretty soon you won’t be able to....

Stupid, stupid article (IMHO)


2 posted on 04/03/2015 8:05:14 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 (Get the USA out of the UN then get the UN out of the USA; send bamaboy back to Kenya ASAP!!!!)
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To: HarleyLady27

Ah, yes...let’s start with FREEPER religion thread posters, let’s degrade them, and roll them in the dirt, tar and feather them along with all the other Christians in the United States, but for hell’s sake don’t touch the Muslims


3 posted on 04/03/2015 8:19:24 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: HarleyLady27; All
Come on people, stand up for our Religions or pretty soon you won’t be able to....

Come on people, stand up for our Religious freedom and being able to express freely in a Free Republic...or pretty soon, you'll have censors like HarleyLady and you won't be able to!

4 posted on 04/03/2015 8:20:56 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

...there are just some people who can’t take another’s opinion....so move along....


5 posted on 04/03/2015 8:24:27 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 (Get the USA out of the UN then get the UN out of the USA; send bamaboy back to Kenya ASAP!!!!)
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To: HarleyLady27

...there are just some people who can’t take another’s thread posting...so move along...


6 posted on 04/03/2015 8:34:22 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
CAUTION!! CHRISTIAN BASHING THREAD!!
----------------This thread does not praise God. It weakens faith----------------
7 posted on 04/03/2015 8:49:50 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: HarleyLady27; Colofornian; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; ejonesie22; Elsie; Godzilla; Holly_P; ...

I’m Catholic, so lets start it up with them again ...

In that case, your faith and your church leaders has undergone such apostasy that they have become an abomination in the eyes of the lord.

That's not me speaking, that's a direct revelation from Jesus to Joseph Smith according to the First Vision as recorded in the Pearl of Great Price. That applies to all Christian denominations, especially the Baptists, Catholics, Methodists and Presbyterians. In other words, the Mormons fired the first shot in their battle with your Church.

You shouldn't forget that the LDS Church is based on lies and deceit, that it leads people to an eternity in hell, and that we are commanded as Christians to do battle with such evil. Colofornian is merely fulfilling the teachings and commandments of Christ.

You can click here (Billy Graham, Joel Osteen, Paul Washer, John MacArthur and other...) for an excellent summary of some of the wrong teachings of well-known preachers, why they are wrong, and how we as Christians are told to respond to false prophets and their perverted gospels.

Colofornian is to be commended, not condemned, for her ceaseless efforts in publishing the truth about Mormonism.

8 posted on 04/03/2015 8:53:42 AM PDT by Zakeet (Obama: fail ... deny ... blame ... golf ... distract ... lie ... repeat)
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To: Zakeet
The best experts on Mormons are those who reject them, Mormonopolists

It is the same as trusting that Nancy Pelosi is an expert on theTea-Party.

Enough with the Christian bashing.

9 posted on 04/03/2015 9:00:09 AM PDT by laotzu
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Enough with the Christian bashing.

Dear Mormon,

Do you believe in any of the following:

  1. That Jesus and Satan are brothers

  2. That God had incestuous sexual relations with His daughter, Mary, impregnating her with Jesus

  3. That Christian pastors are "dimwitted hirelings of Satan"

  4. That sacred scriptures can be based on pagan works such as prayers to Egyptian gods for dead spirits – which were supposedly translated using occult devices such as peep stones

  5. That God is a polygamous celestial stud married to our Heavenly Mother, whose name is so sacred we are not to say it out loud

  6. That Kolob and other worlds named Planet Oblish and Planet Enish-go-on-dosh are ruled by a governing power through the medium of Kli-flos-is-es, or Hah-ko-kau-beam

  7. In the prominent display of Satanic symbols such as pentagrams, baphomets, earth stones, and saturn stones on his churches' religious buildings and literature

  8. In portraying Satan as the god of this world and having him teach church doctrine in the Mormon temple ceremony

  9. In the wearing a fig leaf apron in temple ceremonies to symbolize Satan’s power and priesthoods

  10. In offering prayers to the devil in the temple ceremony – Oh God, hear the words of my mouth – and of praising him in the sacred rites by chanting Hebrew words whose translation is Marvelous Lucifer

  11. That husbands can resurrect their wives from the grave

  12. In having special grips and clasps in order to tell ghosts from angels and the devil

  13. In practicing baptism for the dead

  14. In wearing magic underwear to protect from physical harm – with symbols so sacred that they must be cut out and buried and the garment burned when it wears out

  15. That the Ten Lost Tribes and the apostle John will be discovered living in cement houses in a tropical land adjacent to the North Pole separated by a high mountain range

  16. That men about six feet tall, dressed like Quakers, will be discovered dwelling on the moon where they live for about 1,000 years

  17. That science will prove the earth has knobs on each end

  18. That Joseph Smith was commanded by God to retranslate the Bible because the existing translations contained errors – eventually devising an Inspired Revision completed in 1833 – which was rejected by his church who still uses the King James Version

  19. That Joseph Smith's followers are not saved by grace, but instead are burdened by a complex series of rules and regulations which determine their progression as gods of their own planets and the ultimate size and quality of their harem of goddess wives

  20. That the Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, Presbyterians and all other Christian denominations have entered into such a degree of apostasy that they have become an abomination in the eyes of the Lord

  21. That Joseph Smith was greater than Jesus

If you answered Yes to even one of these, then you aren’t Christian. And if you answered No to even one of these, then you aren’t in agreement with the teachings of your Church.

/s/ Zak

10 posted on 04/03/2015 9:10:13 AM PDT by Zakeet (Obama: fail ... deny ... blame ... golf ... distract ... lie ... repeat)
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To: Zakeet
I think you addressed your comment to the wrong person.

I am not Mormon, and I don't take homework assignments or pop-quizzes.

11 posted on 04/03/2015 9:27:06 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: laotzu; Zakeet
It is the same as trusting that Nancy Pelosi is an expert on theTea-Party.

Can you demonstrate that pelosi was ever a member of the tea party? Didn't think so - your absence of logic is apalling on this one

Enough with the Christian bashing.

Yes please Lao- shut up.

12 posted on 04/03/2015 9:38:30 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla
shut up

Great come back. Can I steal that one?

13 posted on 04/03/2015 9:46:12 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: laotzu

all you can do is steal - can’t come up with anything origional.


14 posted on 04/03/2015 10:31:46 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Zakeet

Oh my, don’t you know that as a Christian you are not allowed to defend your faith against apostasy any more? Just look how a few are already attacking you for pointing out that the faux Christians don’t worship the same Jesus of Christianity yet boast of how their faux prophet, Joseph Smith, re-establish ‘christianity’ after 1400 years of it being absent from among men. You must not point out the heresies of Mormonism lest you be stamped a bigot! Such stampers believe all religions lead to the same God, so you must not upset that fantasy don’tchaknow.


15 posted on 04/03/2015 11:15:36 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Zakeet

Good Friday, Saturn’s day and easter Sunday is an example of a perversion of the gospel that is birthed in Rome and not in the scriptures.


16 posted on 04/03/2015 11:17:59 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: Colofornian
Is the Book of Mormon too violent for children?

Is the Book of Mormon too BOGUS for historians?



 
 
The BIGGEST battle EVER recorded; and not ONE even teeny bit of evidence of it can be found!!
 
 


The Book of Ether

Chapter 15

Millions of the Jaredites are slain in battle—Shiz and Coriantumr assemble all the people to mortal combat—The Spirit of the Lord ceases to strive with them—The Jaredite nation is utterly destroyed—Only Coriantumr remains.

 And it came to pass when Coriantumr had recovered of his wounds, he began to remember the awords which Ether had spoken unto him.

 He saw that there had been slain by the sword already nearly atwo millions of his people, and he began to sorrow in his heart; yea, there had been slain two millions of mighty men, and also their wives and their children.

 He began to repent of the evil which he had done; he began to remember the words which had been spoken by the mouth of all the prophets, and he saw them that they were fulfilled thus far, every whit; and his soul amourned and refused to be bcomforted.

 And it came to pass that he wrote an epistle unto Shiz, desiring him that he would spare the people, and he would give up the kingdom for the sake of the lives of the people.

 And it came to pass that when Shiz had received his epistle he wrote an epistle unto Coriantumr, that if he would give himself up, that he might slay him with his own sword, that he would spare the lives of the people.

 And it came to pass that the people repented not of their iniquity; and the people of Coriantumr were stirred up to anger against the people of Shiz; and the people of Shiz were stirred up to anger against the people of Coriantumr; wherefore, the people of Shiz did give battle unto the people of Coriantumr.

 And when Coriantumr saw that he was about to fall he fled again before the people of Shiz.

 And it came to pass that he came to the waters of Ripliancum, which, by interpretation, is large, or to exceed all; wherefore, when they came to these waters they pitched their tents; and Shiz also pitched his tents near unto them; and therefore on the morrow they did come to battle.

 And it came to pass that they fought an exceedingly sore battle, in which Coriantumr was wounded again, and he fainted with the loss of blood.

 10 And it came to pass that the armies of Coriantumr did press upon the armies of Shiz that they beat them, that they caused them to flee before them; and they did flee southward, and did pitch their tents in a place which was called Ogath.

 11 And it came to pass that the army of Coriantumr did pitch their tents by the hill Ramah; and it was that same hill where my father Mormon did ahide up the records unto the Lord, which were sacred.

 12 And it came to pass that they did gather together all the people upon all the face of the land, who had not been slain, save it was Ether.

 13 And it came to pass that Ether did abehold all the doings of the people; and he beheld that the people who were for Coriantumr were gathered together to the army of Coriantumr; and the people who were for Shiz were gathered together to the army of Shiz.

 14 Wherefore, they were for the space of four years gathering together the people, that they might get all who were upon the face of the land, and that they might receive all the strength which it was possible that they could receive.

 15 And it came to pass that when they were all gathered together, every one to the army which he would, with their wives and their children—both men, women and children being armed with aweapons of war, having shields, and bbreastplates, and head-plates, and being clothed after the manner of war—they did march forth one against another to battle; and they fought all that day, and conquered not.

 16 And it came to pass that when it was night they were weary, and retired to their camps; and after they had retired to their camps they took up a howling and a alamentation for the loss of the slain of their people; and so great were their cries, their howlings and lamentations, that they did rend the air exceedingly.

 17 And it came to pass that on the morrow they did go again to battle, and great and terrible was that day; nevertheless, they conquered not, and when the night came again they did rend the air with their cries, and their howlings, and their mournings, for the loss of the slain of their people.

 18 And it came to pass that Coriantumr wrote again an epistle unto Shiz, desiring that he would not come again to battle, but that he would take the kingdom, and spare the lives of the people.

 19 But behold, the aSpirit of the Lord had ceased striving with them, and bSatan had full power over the chearts of the people; for they were given up unto the hardness of their hearts, and the blindness of their minds that they might be destroyed; wherefore they went again to battle.

 20 And it came to pass that they fought all that day, and when the night came they slept upon their swords.

 21 And on the morrow they fought even until the night came.

 22 And when the night came they were adrunken with anger, even as a man who is drunken with wine; and they slept again upon their swords.

 23 And on the morrow they fought again; and when the night came they had all fallen by the sword save it were fifty and two of the people of Coriantumr, and sixty and nine of the people of Shiz.

 24 And it came to pass that they slept upon their swords that night, and on the morrow they fought again, and they contended in their might with their swords and with their shields, all that day.

 25 And when the night came there were thirty and two of the people of Shiz, and twenty and seven of the people of Coriantumr.

 26 And it came to pass that they ate and slept, and prepared for death on the morrow. And they were large and mighty men as to the strength of men.

 27 And it came to pass that they fought for the space of three hours, and they fainted with the loss of blood.

 28 And it came to pass that when the men of Coriantumr had received sufficient strength that they could walk, they were about to flee for their lives; but behold, Shiz arose, and also his men, and he swore in his wrath that he would slay Coriantumr or he would perish by the sword.

 29 Wherefore, he did pursue them, and on the morrow he did overtake them; and they fought again with the sword. And it came to pass that when they had aall fallen by the sword, save it were Coriantumr and Shiz, behold Shiz had fainted with the loss of blood.

 30 And it came to pass that when Coriantumr had leaned upon his sword, that he rested a little, he smote off the head of Shiz.

 31 And it came to pass that after he had smitten off the head of Shiz, that Shiz raised up on his hands and afell; and after that he had struggled for breath, he died.

 32 And it came to pass that aCoriantumr fell to the earth, and became as if he had no life.

 33 And the Lord spake unto Ether, and said unto him: Go forth. And he went forth, and beheld that the words of the Lord had all been fulfilled; and he afinished his brecord; (and the chundredth part I have not written) and he hid them in a manner that the people of Limhi did find them.

 34 Now the last words which are written by aEther are these: Whether the Lord will that I be translated, or that I suffer the will of the Lord in the flesh, it mattereth not, if it so be that I am bsaved in the kingdom of God. Amen.

 

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/ether/15

 

And yet the BOOK says...


Ether 14:22
And so swift and speedy was the war that there was none left to bury the dead, but they did march forth from the shedding of blood to the shedding of blood, leaving the bodies of both men, women, and children strewed upon the face of the land, to become a prey to the worms of the flesh.


17 posted on 04/03/2015 12:30:31 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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The Righteous Resort to Scalping Alive as an Object Lesson Alma 44: 12-14 ...one of Moroni’s soldiers... smote Zerahemnah that he took off his scalp and it fell to the earth. And Zerahemnah withdrew from before them into the midst of his soldiers. And it came to pass that the soldier who stood by, who smote off the scalp of Zerahemnah, took up the scalp from off the ground by the hair, and laid it upon the point of his sword, and stretched it forth unto them, saying unto them with a loud voice: Even as this scalp has fallen to the earth, which is the scalp of your chief, so shall ye fall to the earth except ye will deliver up your weapons of war and depart with a covenant of peace.


Looks like SOMEONE took it to heart!


 

The gruesome be headings of some 40 Ute corpses in 1850, heads stacked in boxes,
and hung by their long hair from the eves of buildings at Fort Utah,
 has long been ignored, “You didn’t see the Indians beheading the Mormons.”
 
-- Historian Robert Carter

18 posted on 04/03/2015 12:32:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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Stupid, stupid article (IMHO)

But if it had been about Luther...

20 posted on 04/03/2015 12:35:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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