Posted on 04/09/2015 10:36:50 AM PDT by RnMomof7
History ping
The answer to the first question is clearly “no”. With regard to the doctrine of transubstantiation, Trent took a position for political reasons while disregarding a significant number its own theologians. Because “unity” requires participation of an organization as a whole, Rome exhibited disunity in this regard. The Council’s imposition of this doctrine on the Roman Catholic Church is not an example of unity, but rather a political tyranny.
And we must likewise answer the second question in the negative. The failure of Rome to define the parameters of a “true and proper” sacrifice left the matter to theologians. We have seen that Rome did nothing to unify this doctrine but rather left it to be haggled over by theologians. So not only did Rome not produce unity in this doctrine, it showed no interest in doing so.
PFL
Based on my many years of posting experience on FR, and interactions with real life Roman Catholics, to include sending my children to parochial school early on, I have to say that there are more than 40,000 varieties on Catholicism out there.
You, sir, rock.
:D
Hoss
Good article; thanks!
Hoss
With Protestants, your own personal spin on scripture takes priority. In essence there are not 30,000+/- Protestant denoms, there are as many denoms as there are Protestants. And who can dare to question your own, personal interpretation of scripture? Who has the authority? No one, when you enter the Protestant mindset.
Unity within Catholicism?
What with the differences between the Roman rite and the EO, just for starters?
What a joke.
That Catholics believe in the unity of Catholicism with the differences that exist within it testifies to the power of deception to blind an individual.
There's NEVER been any 'Catholic Unity' at ANY time!
Else there would be no NEED for councils and synods and Vatican 1,2,3 ad nauseum...
Now we have a source for the claim.
We can now say that we read somewhere on the internet that there are 40,000 varieties of Catholicism.
And it will have as much substance as the Catholic claims about the number of Prot denominations.
I hear ya!!
"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours." — Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)
Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema. — Vatican 1, Ses. 4, Cp. 1
... when you enter the Catholic mindset.
One teaching?
Pre or post Trent?
Pre or post Vatican 2?
Which one teaching would that be?
Bump
LOL...nice try ..but the truth is overtime you go to a bile study or your priest preaches it is HIS OWN PERSONAL interpretation of scripture cause the magisterium has never written an infallible commentary
As for the 30,000 denominations..just another lie from the pit of Roman hell
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**It doesn’t matter in a theological sense if someone stands up and says “I’m Catholic and pro-abortion” or “I’m a Catholic and I don’t believe in the Real Presence.” **
-I don’t like the Pope, he is a Socialist.
-I don’t agree with the Church since Vatican II.
-I don’t agree with my priest on X, y or z.
-I don’t agree with...
Sorry, those are all individual interpretations of Rome. Every time one of you chimes in it is YOUR private interpretation. (Unless of course your post something directly from the magisterium WITHOUT commentary.)
heheheheheheh would that consist of studying printouts from the religion forum?
Bingo
Yea no edit on FR ...
Yes, there is, do the spell check.
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