Posted on 06/13/2015 5:36:58 AM PDT by xzins
Maybe tony will quit preaching against adultery as well......
“It is a call for us pots to quit calling others black, when we have a log in our own eye.”
What pot? The idea of a pot of “Non-Catholic Christians” is meaningless. I shudder to think what gets dumped into that pot. Maybe you are part of that pot, but I’m not. And why be an apologist and defender of apostate Rome? Just because someone rejects Rome doesn’t mean they have anything to do with me or my faith. I utterly reject apostate liberals like Campolo just as I utterly reject Rome, but I also reject much of what is considered evangelicalism today.
I first heard Campolo speak in the 70’s and I’ve kept up with his descent into madness over the years, but at no point has he represented me or my faith. Perhaps he represents me in the eyes of the world, but they lack spiritual understanding so that’s not a surprise. The world can’t differentiate Latter Day Saints or Jehovah’s Witlesses from regenerated biblical Christians either.
Indeed
Which is a very good point.
Over 70% of Americans identify as Christians.
But I seriously doubt that 70% of the American population attend church every Sunday and practice and live the Word on a daily basis, a weekly basis, a monthly basis.
Also, let’s tie this article to the recent article (a few weeks back) about how Christianity is dying in this country.
I don’t think it is, But I do think that fewer and fewer people attend church for one simple reason:
The pulpits have been taken over by the secularists.
What is happening in the Christian churches in this country is exactly analogous to what is happening to the Republican party.
The majority of the people in this country are conservative, are constitutionalists. That majority is tired of the RINOs leaning to the left and supporting an administration that loathes the US Constitution. So the Republicans leave the Republican party and turn independent or simply refuse to vote.
So what does the GOP do? They go more to the left to try to attract those voters that will NEVER vote for Republicans.
This is what the church has done. In a country whose culture is spiraling downward into Hades, the churches soften the message about what God expects of us, of sin, of being in the world but not of the world.
People who are seeking God see that as just another Oprah show and don’t go to church.
The numbers of those who attend church decline. So what do the churches do to try to fill the pews? They turn even further to the left, toward secularism.
I don’t know of a church that doesn’t welcome homosexuals (ALL sinners for that matter) to attend church, to learn the gospel, to be saved, to be baptized). But there is quite a difference between that and supporting same-sex marriage and enabling a sinful behavior that the Bible says is an abomination to God.
The argument I use against those who support same-sex marriage is this:
I say, you accept this because it has been popularized in our culture.
Would you have the same level of support for adultery? Incest? Bigamy? Two brothers or two sisters “marrying”?
No, you wouldn’t. But this sin and its express flipping of the bird to God by calling these relationships “marriage” (which they are not, it is no more real than Ken and Barbie weddings) have been popularized, so you accept it.
And, yes, as another FRiend stated, this is certainly an issue separating the wheat from the chaff.
Good post. I think you’re right about people hungering for a conservative message. You can find proof in the swelling numbers of conservative Protestant denominations or conservative Catholic monastic life in comparison to those fading institutions that have sold out to secular liberalism.
Oh, surely we should accept “gay” “marriage”. And we should also accept the sodomy it practices too. I mean, right?
Any denomination that is voting majority for gay marriage and abortion, as democrat party voters, is obviously doing something wrong.
That includes the black denominations, and the Catholic denomination.
It doesn’t include Evangelicals.
In what sense do I have a log in my own eye if someone I’ve disagreed with for many years still disagrees with me? You might as well say that Americans cannot disagree with the Vatican unless ALL Americans hold a view.
Full disclosure: I’ve never said anything bad about Catholics based on wayward priests or nuns. Instead, I am amazed that someone would be a priest or nun if they want to reject Catholic teaching. Or Pope...
Yes, this issue will indeed rip the church apart which in my opinion may not be a bad thing. I wish that all people would come to be saved and know the one true God, but I am finding that the idea of a smaller church, holding to Biblical truths is what we end up with, then that’s okay. We will be targeted, that is certain. But then look at what’s already happening to Christians around the world. How we think we will be immune to that is beyond me.
Would he say the same thing regarding adultery? Because this is truly the same class of behavior aka sin.
“There is no more good reason for protestants or evangelicals to be pointing a finger at Catholics because of wayward priests, nuns, or laity... It is a call for us pots to quit calling others black, when we have a log in our own eye.”
Will keep on pointing the finger until you do something about it. When any “church” begins to teach or practice things diametrically opposed to the teaching’s of Christ, it is time to LEAVE.
The same exact principle applies to all denominations. If there are no longer any faithful churches in your area, you can start a Bible study in your home. But before you do, please be sure your doctrine is part of the solution and not part of the problem.
“It has taken countless hours of prayer, study, conversation and emotional turmoil to bring me to the place where I am finally ready to call for the full acceptance of Christian gay couples into the Church,” he said in a statement posted online.”
Anytime you challenge God’s word it should cause turmoil. This isn’t the first departure for Campolo, though I can’t remember what else I read about him. I do remember that he was a choice advisor of Bill Clinton. He and Clinton were walking away from a funeral yucking it up when Clinton saw a camera and suddenly got somber with the biting lip.
Yep. Reading RC Sproul the other day, he made the point that in ancient Israel the GREATEST threat to the nation, to the people of God, was NOT the Hittites or the Amalekites or the Philistines or the Assyrians or the Babylonians.
The greatest threat were the false prophets who led them astray. They purported to speak for God but did not.
1 Kings 22 has a fascinating story where ONE TRUE prophet of God stood up against 400 false prophets who pretended Yahweh was speaking through them.
Jeremiah is another example, of course.
Today, it seems the speakers of truth are diminishing and the purveyors of lies are increasing—yet claiming the mantle of Christianity.
Pray for revival.
Tony Campolo stopped being my spokesman since the days he and Bill Clinton were buddies. One of the very first VIRAL videos of him walking alongside Bill Clinton at a funeral, giving a sad expression after he saw a camera. It’s all HYPE folks, and Tony Campolo doesn’t know the mess he has created. Surgery doesn’t change a man into a woman.. it’s a mental disorder, when we undertand that, and get people treatment, then we will be enlightened.
Notice Campello doesn’t use bible scriptures he used his own reasoning.
“However, 62 percent of white mainline Protestants and 56 percent of Catholics are in favor of same-sex marriage”.
Did the poll ask these people did they go to church and did they fellow the doctrine of their faith? You can bet the answer to that is no. I know of no Catholic or Protestant that faithfully goes to church and lives their life according to the teachings of Jesus Christ that approves of homosexual “marriage”. But every other week we are shown the latest skewed poll. You can get anything you want to out of poll by the way the question is asked.
Yes.
That’s not to say that the Hittites, Amalekites, Philistines, Assyrians and Babylonians were not a threat. They were a BIG threat — just not the biggest. They became the biggest in the sense that they were a means of punishment.
You get into the lose your life or lose your soul issue. What good is safety if you are led away from God in your heart?
“”It has taken countless hours of prayer, study, conversation and emotional turmoil to bring me to the place where I am finally ready to call for the full acceptance of Christian gay couples into the Church,” he said in a statement posted online.
In prayer, God is not going to suggest to you approval of things
He’s already clearly explained are against his will. But yeah, I guess it could take countless hours to get there if you were determined to.
While I agree that every Christian church-goer should have their pastors and teachers dealing with these issues in faithful ways based on historical Christian biblical understandings, I also think it is significant that those who are not in denominations, or not in large denominations, think they have the authority to use a guilt by association argument against a church in one state because a church of the same denomination in another state does or says something outrageous.
Your priest didn’t do anything wrong, but you are wrong because a priest in San Francisco did something wrong.
Campolo said he’s tried to approach people on both sides of the issue with grace and understanding while struggling with his own beliefs.
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