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Daring to Doubt
Key Life ^ | August 10, 2015 | Steve Brown

Posted on 08/11/2015 6:28:18 AM PDT by metmom

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To: metmom
Exodus 32 [Full Chapter]
[ The Gold Calf ] Now when the people saw that Moses delayed coming down from the mountain, the people gathered together to Aaron, and said to him, “Come, make us gods that shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man who brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.

Their rebellion began as doubt. Doubt was step one -- we don't know what happened to Moses and we need to do something for ourselves. Rebellion and idolatry were the actions they took because of their doubts.

41 posted on 08/13/2015 7:26:51 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: metmom
Interesting blog post about other Steve Brown teachings, posted at TeamPyro.com by Phil Johnson
42 posted on 08/13/2015 7:54:15 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: metmom

Not Phil Johnson. Dan Phillips. FYI, he used to be a FReeper named BibChr.


43 posted on 08/13/2015 8:05:59 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: delchiante; The Ghost of FReepers Past
Still thread hijacking, eh?

Romans 14:1-12 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.”

So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.

Colossians 2:16-17 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

Acts 15:12-29 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,

“‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it, that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old.’

Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”

Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers, with the following letter:

“The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

We are under grace, not under the Law. The Holy Spirit did not lay any such burdens about keeping the law and sabbaths and feast days as you keep promoting here on FR.

The Holy Spirit is giving us freedom, not putting us back under the bondage of the law as the Judaizers would have us be.

In short, it doesn't matter what you call the days or months and there is NO Scriptural evidence (which is seriously lacking in your advocating here) that it somehow pleases God for us to do that.

The substance is in Christ. The sabbaths and feasts have always been a shadow. Christians fallow the real deal, not chasing after shadows any more.

44 posted on 08/13/2015 8:16:33 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: delchiante; metmom

Do you associate with Kingdom of Yah Ministries?
Do you worship Yah the Egyptian moon god?
Are you Mormon?
Are you into astrology?

I am trying to figure out your code talk. You are a nice enough person and I do not wish to be harsh, but I must be honest. Your use of Scripture is manipulative and selective. You seem to have a favorite subject: Moon phases. One fast track road to error is to become obsessed with one idea and to search Scripture to support your ideas rather than the other way around, that is, to study Scripture to understand the truth. The latter takes faith in the inerrancy, clarity and perspicuity of Scripture. The former takes faith in yourself.


45 posted on 08/13/2015 10:08:28 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: metmom

Not hijacking threads.

pointing out that when one starts ‘doubting’ and questioning Rome and their story, they will see them as the 4th beast/Kingdom that will change and times in these last days..

And if one links Daniel 7 to Revelation 13,(which you do not but my testing and study has done) then one can see how the changing of times and laws by Rome causes people to do exactly what says happens in Revelation 13- in essence, the mark of disobedience. And that is why Revelation 14 says the patience of the saints is those who keep the Commandments of God AND faith in Yahshua..

I can’t make you see that. I thank Him for showing me.

He can show us all.

If Rome is not a vessel for satan, I will have to apologize.

But the first reformers called them ‘antichrist’ before there ever was a Pope Gregory calendar..were they wrong?

What does ‘antichrist’ mean?

I don’t have a problem seeing islam, who rejects the Son,as ‘antichrist’. Scripture says that is also ‘antichrist’.
Nor do I have a problem seeing Judaism,who also rejects the Son, as ‘antichrist’..

And when one understands ‘anti’ in the Greek can not only mean against or opposed but anti can also mean ‘instead of ‘ ‘in place of’ -substitute,how does that also not fit Rome, the mother? Don’t they sell the idea of their Mary being without sin so their Jesus in a plain way,didn’t come in the flsh, like the rest of us.. That too,according to scripture is ‘antichrist’..

If Rome has created another Jesus, which is warned about in scripture, with another gospel, which is also warned about in scripture,why isn’t it possible to see Roman Christianity as devious as islam or Judaism as vessels to deceive the world?

Is it at least possible?

The only way to tell a genuine Jesus from a counterfeit is the Scriptures..

I have done that testing. And that is why I know now why I met Him as the Roman Jesus,but He didn’t let me stay there..

We are close to 2000 years down the road of prophecy.. And Satan as an angel of light, who can deceive Muslims, Jews, and Christians is not far fetched to me..

But again, I admit to be peculiar. tomorrow is the Son’s birthday , an appointed time, a New Moon Day, according to His scripture and the book of Revelation 12 sign (which is a book of revealing, not hiding) and the elementary study of His Creation (which is what all science is)

And Rome’s lies and teachings fall like a house of cards.. And that wouldn’t be comfortable for anyone who trusts them with anything..I was one of them.

Satan is that deceitful..

Pray more awake to his plans..


46 posted on 08/15/2015 6:07:04 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

I was going to be a member of an Orthodox Presbyterian Church (which worships just like Rome does on Sundays) and has the same jesus- and He stopped me..

He led me out. I don’t know who Kingdom of Yah ministries is.
I worship the YHWH in the Scriptures and His Son Joshua/Yahshua (’Yahweh saves’ strongs #3091) .

the one who have lots of people in the scriptures, who came in His name - like Yahshua,NehemiYah,IsaiYah,JeremiYah,ObadiYah,ZephaniYah,
ZechariYah,EliYah..

And phrases like HalleluYah..

That seems to be a lot of Yah in the Hebrew Scripture..

Kind of like all those times the English words ‘The Lord’ pops up ,it is really His Name, YHWH..
That wasn’t realized until I got myself a concordance..

Best investment for one who can’t find time to study Hebrew.

No mormon.they too follow Rome..

Not into astrology- that is Satan’s counterfeit for scientific study of our Father’s Creation.

The study of His sky and His Creation is why the wisemen knew the King was born- they were trained (probably by Daniel) to know where and when to look in His Sky.
And they ‘saw’ His Star..

What a story He placed up there. And the story He tells when Israel is supposed to be observing His Feasts, is a witness against their stiff necks, and a witness to the whole world that His Word, Genesis to Revelation, is True..

And His Bride can know it all, and teach it. And can see what’s coming next.. It is all there. Before He had people write His plan on parchment, He wrote it in His Sky. His Heavens do declare His Glory. It is all about Him!

And I focus on the moon because I asked Him a couple questions about Ezekiel 46..

Here is Ezekiel 46:1 I reference:

Thus says the Lord GOD, “The gate of the inner court facing east shall be shut the SIX working days; but it shall be opened on the Sabbath day and opened on the Day of the New moon.

Now most would read that over and over and not question anything. Seems logical and hardly worth studying.

But I asked Him- what is a New Moon Day if it isn’t one of Your Sabbaths or one of your 6 Work Days?

6 work days and Sabbath =7

But New Moon Day + 6 work days + Sabbath =8, not 7..

Do you see a discrepancy? People may not. I did..

Why did He say 6 Work Days when we are taught by man ( with the help of Rome’s calendar) that we have had a continuous 7 days since Creation?
Well, this Scripture rejects man’s teaching on a continual 7 day cycle.
And a study of His Calendar in scripture, with Ezekiel’s template, one will start to see how the enemy hides Truth. And allows inherited lies to stand..

That command He gave Ezekiel in 46, doesn’t say open on New Moon Day and Sabbath and closed the 5 Work days- Our Sovereign differentiates between a New Moon, The Sabbath and the 6 Work Days..

That is 3 types of days, not 2 like we understand today.. A count to 8, according to Him. Not 7..

That is why I asked, sought and knocked, and why I know (From Him ) that the Savior was born on a New Moon Day.

A day His ‘church’ ignores each month.

Sun worshippers pay no attention to His moon (and stars) but His Word says He ordains the moon and stars - psalm 8:3

I believe His Word. I also studied Genesis and His Creation and what that word ‘Seasons’ means in Hebrew whe n He says He gave us the sun,moon,stars,planets for ‘signs’, days,years and ‘Seasons’ -

that word ‘season’ is Strongs #4150- MOED- appointed (3), appointed feast (3), appointed feasts (11), appointed festival (2), appointed meeting place (1), appointed place (1), appointed sign (1), appointed time (21), appointed times (8), appointment (1), assembly (2), definite time (1), feasts (2), festal assemblies (1), fixed festivals (3), meeting (147), meeting place (1), meeting places (1), season (4), seasons (3), set time (1), time (3), times (1), times appointed (1).

Maybe people sees that English word ‘seasons’ (like I used to) and think spring,summer,fall and winter - and we and I was mistaken..

A new moon day at the beginning of His Calendar months.
1 + 6 + 1 Sabbath..

The world doesn’t see it. His Creation and His Word confirms that template and He let me see.

And it is a faith step. Because unless one owns their own business, or is unemployed, or retired or home schoolers, one would be hard pressed to follow His Template and be ‘in the world’.
A template that commemorates His Creative and Redemptive Work..

And unfolds some mysteries like how did the earth, in some translations, become waste and void?

Are there events recorded in scripture before He spoke and Light came to be and He called the Light Day?

I think there is- and each month He has a Day on His Calendar that speaks to that mystery..
(Just like the mystery where it says He finished His Work on the 7th Day- and also rested from all the Work He made, on the 7th Day- a little discrepancy that has an answer on His Calendar template)

His people were taught His timekeeping in the wilderness. And times and laws have changed..

One points to false gods and created things like the sun, moon, tiw,Woden,Thor,Saturn and months for Roman Kings
like Julius Caesar and Augustus..

And His Calendar(as detailed a template given to Ezekiel) 1 new moon day, 6 work days, 1 Sabbath ,points to His Creative and Redemptive Work..
And that story would show , when one counts that template out on their own, the Son finishing His Work on the 6th work day of His 2nd week, Passover(the 14th Day of His Month) is prophetic given the work of Creation also ended on the 7th Day of His prophetic 1st week.

(And why Israel observes their first Sabbath in the wilderness on the 22nd Day- after 6 Days of manna that ended on the 21st day of His month

He never changes.
But time has

Is it a big difference? Is it relevant?

I believe it is why the battle in Revelation is over worship..
Who do we worship and when? Who’s calendar do we use?

His and His appointed times, that with study, and faith, can prove that those days are the Son’s days too?
the Word made flesh (literally) to an unbelieving world?a calendar that looks back to Creation, Redemption and forward to Restoration and His Kingdom.

Or using man’s calendar, a vessel of the enemy, to hide and steal worship due Him and give that ignorant honor and glory instead to created things and false gods?

I admit I am strange.. But I tested it all with His Word..
And His Word is Truth..

Each takes faith. My Faith is in Him.. And not in Rome who today is in charge of the world’s timekeeping.

I don’t accept Rome so I don’t accept their premise and have been blessed for doing so.. To the point of having people who would normally be debating against Rome, run to their defense..

I am okay with that..it confirms prophetic words in the book of Revelation..

And I didn’t have a real problem with Rome 3 years ago. Amazing how much He can teach us if we are first willing to unlearn what the world teaches.


47 posted on 08/15/2015 7:16:07 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante

Colossians

Not Philosophy but Christ

2 For I want you to know what a great conflict I have for you and those in Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh, 2 that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, both of the Father and[a] of Christ, 3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

4 Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. 5 For though I am absent in the flesh, yet I am with you in spirit, rejoicing to see your good order and the steadfastness of your faith in Christ.

6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, 7 rooted and built up in Him and established in the faith, as you have been taught, abounding in it[b] with thanksgiving.

8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

Not Legalism but Christ

11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins[c] of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not[d] seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.

20 Therefore,[e] if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations— 21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,” 22 which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men? 23 These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.


48 posted on 08/15/2015 8:11:46 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Let me try it another way to show you why it all is important in the end times..

The savior didn’t die on good Friday.He laid His life down on Passover (14th), the preparation day ,as the Lamb,according to scripture (and Passover isn’t always on a friday,but it always to be the 14th Day- there really is a difference)

Good Friday is a false teaching.

The Savior didn’t get raised on Easter.. He was raised on the Feast of First Fruits, the 16th Day- the first day of the week after the weekly Sabbath (15th, which is the day after the Preparation Day for the Sabbath)according to scripture.

Easter is a false teaching.

The Savior was not born on december 25.
The Savior was born on the 1st Day of His 6th month, when the woman (in the Heavens) was clothed with the sun and the moon was under her feet.

December 25 is a false teaching..

Rome’s Jesus is a false Christ..
Another Jesus with another gospel

What was Paul’s Gospel?

Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures

ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES- old testament
Exodus 12:6 and you shall keep it (the Lamb) until the 14th Day of this month (1st month) , when the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill their Lamb in the evening.(on the 14th)

Exodus 12:27
You shall say, it is the sacrifice of YHWH’s Passover, for He passed over the houses of the people of Israel in Egypt

John:19:31 it was the Day of Preparation (14th Day- the 6th work day is the preparation day before the weekly and annual Sabbath on 15th ), in order to prevent the bodies from remaining on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a High Day-15th)

Paul-
1 Cor 5:8-7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Messiah OUR PASSOVER also has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Gospel contd.
4 that he was buried
,
Mark: when it was evening , since it was the Day of Preparation (14th) ,that is, the day before the Sabbath (15th), Joseph of arimathea took courage and went to pilate and asked for Joshua’s body.

Luke 23:54-56
And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.

56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day (15th) according to the commandment.

Gospel contd.
that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,

ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES-
Leviticus 23:9 And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 10 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘When you come into the land which I give to you, and reap its harvest, then you shall bring a sheaf of the FIRSTFRUITS of your harvest to the priest. 11 He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord, to be accepted on your behalf; on the day AFTER THE SABBATH(15th day) the priest shall wave it. The day after the Sabbath, according to His Calendar is the 16th Day.

Paul-1 Cor 15:22-23
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own order: Christ the FIRST FRUITS, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming,

John 20
Now on the first day if the week (16th Day after the 15th Day Sabbath) ,Mary Magdalene came to the Tomb early,while it was still dark.

Luke 24-but on the 1st day of the week(16th), at early dawn,they went to the tomb...

The gospel of Passover(14th), Unleavened Bread (15th), First Fruits (16th) is the gospel of the Old Testament, and the gospel Paul taught, according to scripture.

The gospel of good Friday, Holy Saturday and Easter Sunday is a counterfeit..only found in Rome’s catechism and by using Rome’s calendar..

2 Cor 11:4
For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached(like Rome does), or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received(like Rome has) or a different gospel from the one you accepted(like Rome has according to their catechism and calendar,not according to scripture (the old testament that Paul had access to when He was writing to Corinth) , you put up with it easily enough.

Mathew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Is it a big deal?
One is according to scripture and one is according to Rome.

I think it is a big deal. You do not apparently.. I can use the Old Testament to expose Rome and their teachings and those within the mother and her daughters won’t see the differences or the discrepancies..

That is written about in the book of Revelation..

The 14th,15th,16th in Leviticus 23 (confirmed with Ezekiel’s template in Ezekiel 46)is the correct template.

Is the exact template used in the death,burial and resurrection of the Lamb of Yahweh.

The ‘template’ is not Friday,Saturday, Sunday as Rome teaches..
That is why Daniel prophecy that Rome (4th Kingdom) would change times and laws is very pertinent..

What happens when the 14th Day, Passover falls on a Monday?
It just means His Sabbath(15th) is on Rome’s Tiw’s day and the Resurrection anniversary of the first work day of the week (16th ) is a Woden’s Day.

Again,you and I don’t start with the same premise because you start with Rome and Rome’s Jesus.
I told you, I used to.but He didn’t let me stay there.

That is a blessing that I pray more get..

They too, may be blessed to know that today, Rome’s Sunday August 16th, is the anniversary of the Messiah’s birth..
(And it won’t be on this day next year because He doesn’t use Rome to tell Him what Day to have His Holy Appointments with His people)

Without His Mercy and His Grace, no one would be saved.

I was floored when I realized I was feeding the beast..I was floored to see how I had faith in Rome’s clever lies/half truths to the point that the greatest story every told had an identity thief at the heart of it..

We are saved by grace through faith.
Imagine when one realizes their faith was in a false Christ,created in a catechism,reinforced with a counterfeit calendar..
I don’t have to imagine it,I lived it..
Satan is that subtle...he does transform into an angel of light..

And I repented. And thanked Him for leading me out..

And I don’t see the world the same way.

And now, I know Him. And He sets me free..
All to His glory!


49 posted on 08/16/2015 7:12:26 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Scripture has no effect on those who think they know better than it.


50 posted on 08/16/2015 9:54:02 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: delchiante
The Final Passover, The First Communion, John MacArthur

Believing in and understanding the days of Passover will save no one. Trusting in Jesus, the Lamb of God as your Savior (died in your place) and Lord (ruler of your life and heart) is the important thing.

Do you think about repentance and obedience at least as much as you think about moon cycles? Do you meditate on God's Law day and night so that you might understand and obey it? Do you love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength and your neighbor as yourself? Do you abstain from sexual sin and idolatry? Do you warn unbelievers of the wrath of God to come against all the ungodly? Do you grieve over your sin, even if it is only a thought or feeling, and repent of it regularly? Do you love Christ's church? Are you a functioning member of His body? Do you dwell on whatever is pure and right and good and worthy of praise? Do you flee even the appearance of evil? Do you separate yourself from the world or do you love the world? Do you walk in the Spirit (minding the things and deeds of the Spirit) or do you walk in the flesh (minding the things and deeds of the flesh)? Do you love what is good and hate what is evil? Do you see in yourself fruits of the Spirit or fruits of the flesh?

Walking in the Spirit

16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[c] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[d] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

BTW, I am not Catholic.

51 posted on 08/16/2015 11:33:42 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: delchiante
For clarity, when I say "God's law" I mean His moral law. The ceremonial law was a shadow of what was to come and good only until the FINAL SACRIFICE (CHRIST) came.

Christ and the Law, Part I, John MacArthur

52 posted on 08/16/2015 11:50:17 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: delchiante; metmom

Are you affiliated with “World’s Last Chance” or Seventh Day Adventists?
Do you believe in the doctrine of the Trinity?
Do you practice mysticism or “centering prayer.”
Do you get direct revelation from God apart from Scripture?

Resource about whether Sabbath laws are binding on Christians today: http://www.gty.org/resources/Questions/QA135/Are-the-Sabbath-laws-binding-on-Christians-today


53 posted on 08/16/2015 3:21:50 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; metmom

A lot of quesions you asked ghost-

Let me try to answer them, but maybe a different way..

I live for the Fruits of His Spirit.I pray He continues to bring them to my heart. I used to be fleshy.we can measure ourselves everyday with His Word. That ‘temperature taking’ is important.

I pray for my heart to be continually formed to His. That my mind be continually transformed to His and my will be continually conformed to His.

I meditate of God’s Word and law everyday..I dwell on both His Creative and Redemptive work.

I love that I can know what today is to Him- and reject what today is to the world.
True freedom to commemorate and worship Him who made Heaven,the earth, the sea and all that is in them- an angel in Revelation 14 warns us to do that very thing.
And each day He has on His calendar points to Him. It is all Him.

I can read things like psalm 119 and not skip over the parts about His Law (which is the whole thing)

What is His Law? That was a great eye opening experience when He showed me in this journey.. A journey preparing for His Kingdom to come..
A journey that gets started when we say yes to Him..

And it is because He has paid my debt that I now am moved to follow Him. And He has rules and commandments and His Kingdom is going to have the same rule to come..
I understand what my sin did and does. And that is a Work He does for us.

I pray for His Kingdom to come and I think most may say it, but they may not like how different it would be from what they do now.. I have lived the simple calendar that will be in place in the Kingdom, and even when it can be shown to point directly to the King, people will question,reject and dismiss it as unimportant. And it is until one realizes how the enemy works.

When He started showing me the battle that happens in the world and in our minds and hearts, I knew what I was to repent from. He does that work.

Here are some good questions given His gospel was all about the Kimgdon -
And His call to repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

What is a Kingdom?

What is repentance?

What are we to repent from?

What is sin?

Do we know what His Law/Commandments are?

Do we know why He gave 30/60/100 in His Kingdom Parable of the Sower and how they relate to His Law/Commandments?

Do we know who will be called Least in His Kingdom?
And Who will be called great in His Kingdom? And do we know how they relate to His Commandments and that parable of the Sower?

Do we know why the enemy wars with those who keep the Commandments of God AND bear testimony to the Lamb in Revelation 12?

Why is the patience of the saints in Revelation 14:12 not just ‘faith’ but also the keeping of the Commandments of God?

Do we know why in Revelation 22:14 it says blessed are they that do His Commandments, that their right may be to the tree of life and enter into the gates of the city? (most recent translations have changed those words BTW- my Geneva bible is the Quote- recent translations say ‘wash their robes’)

Can we know now why the enemy causes people to break His Commandments in revelation 13? (If one can see them in there)

Do we know why the enemy puts a mark on the forehead and the hand in Revelation 13?

Do we know why God speaks of putting a sign on the forehead and the hand in Deuteronomy 6:8?

All of that I didn’t have good answers to 3 years ago. Today I do..
But I pray for His wisdom,knowledge and understanding everyday..

That is why I hate the world. Even the religious world. Not the people,but I hate the powers and principalities..
I feel lots of compassion and sadness for all the people because I see how the enemy works.

He let me see how Satan deceives the whole world. And how the whole world wonders after the beast..this very day. In the past too.. And also in the future... That is knowledge,understanding that only comes from Him.

And as Ecclesiastes 1:18 says, in much wisdom is much vexation.
And he who increases knowledge increases sorrow..

But the hope is in Him.. And it isnt just about being saved.. He showed me a completely different way to see His Kingdom..

And I am not of the belief anymore that those who are ‘marked’ as revelation 13 says, are doomed to eternal punishment.
That would be very sad with what I have learned from Him..but it is written His mercy and loving kindness endures forever and I believe, unlike my tulip neighbors, He did take the sin of the whole world away..

But again,I see the lake of fire as a purification place now. A place one need not go but should rejoice that death and hades go there.. Not a teaching of damnation but of restoration and longsuffering and His Will that none of us perish, but all would repent and have eternal life..

But I am different,I totally admit that.. And He is one who gets all the praise, honor and glory for it.

Lastly, if one is not a Catholic, it is far easier to see how the enemy has used and is using Rome as a vessel. ‘doubting Rome’ should be an inherent trait of a protestant.

realizing one follows Rome even when they are not a Catholic is a punch in the gut- at least it was to me..

And a meeting with a nice Catholic man,who gave me a set of rosary beads, probably lit this fire to ‘doubt’ the world.

And because of all this, I think Satan has used Rome to cause people to sin. The sin that is associated with the transgression of His eternal Kingdom law and Commandments.. And sin is simply the transgression of His law.

The Law He thundered down from Sinai after 60 days in the wilderness.
And the Law He wrote on 2 tablets,with His own finger, that Moses brought down from Sinai after 100 days in the wilderness.

There is His 60 and 100 that He used in His parable of the Sower. Christianity and Judaism can’t teach that.

A big part of a Christianity has explained those Commandments away. Especially certain ones .
Convinced themselves that love is how they would define love and not what He says love is..

And Judaism looks to Christianity to see when His Sabbath is and accepts it without testing...and willing to move His set appointments when it is convenient for them. Things He said were ‘forever’ ..

They both get the dates wrong for one of His Feasts ( what they call the church’s ‘birthday’)but they are in tune with the same false teachings, so it is the blind leading the blind.

I see that as prophetic given what He shows me..

Billions of people won’t see this..I dont know why... I just am thankful He has blessed me to see it..
But it came first from trusting Him with all my heart,leaning not on my own understanding. And in all my ways,acknowledging Him.
And His promise says He will direct our paths.

The farther He leads me, the narrower it gets..

I am either completely being hoodwinked and deceivd by calling today His 1st Day, or being blessed for doing so..

I know how I feel about it,but we have personal journeys and most may not be led to that extreme.

But it is that extreme that has shown me that doubting things the world agrees on may not be a bad thing, if His Word and His Creation can say and show something different..

When ‘christianity’ rejects Rome, they will be able to really see and show and teach others why Israel was taught to do all they were taught to do..how each appointment and thing they observe pratice today. Shadows Him..
And what they mean in the Kingdom we pray will come.
Proving the Savior and Messiah did come and is coming back to establish said Kingdom.

A ‘fullness of the gentiles’ may not be a number or quantity, but a ‘condition’ and a quality where the gentiles will have full Truth that will cause scales to come off the eyes and the hearts to soften of those who have rejected truth..if they reject Rome’s Jesus because they expect a little Torah in the Word made flesh, is that a bad thing?
To romam christianity, yes..to me, it is an opportunity to show people how He is Torah made flesh- with no help from Rome..

Us gentiles would do well to take our truth from Him and not Rome.

He led me to do just that..


54 posted on 08/17/2015 10:26:28 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante; metmom

I think you are putting your faith in heresy. You would do very well to doubt much of what you posted as your current beliefs.

I have no more time for this discussion. Thanks for the participation.


55 posted on 08/17/2015 10:51:42 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; metmom

Saw you sent another..

Not affiliated with world’s last chance..I can research to see how their views fit with what He has taught me.

Not affiliated with seventh day adventist. They keep Saturday Holy. That is, they and Judaism and probably most ‘messianics’ or the Hebrew roots people do - all those groups still accept Rome’s calendar as legit and the authority when ‘sola scriptura’ has an answer.

And it is a two part question, if not Rome’s calendar, then what should one use?

And two- what the heck is a ‘new moon day’ when we find the calendar in ‘sola scriptura?

And if one finds how those answers can be found within His Word, and how it points to the King, one would be willing to buy that pearl...

if they (SDA) have so much trouble with Rome and Sunday, why do they use a Roman calendar named after a Pope?

I think that is a fair question to ask and I have...and I have had few replies back that gives me a good answer.

I would think calling the Pope ‘antichrist’ would be tough to argue while one is willing to set their work and worship schedule with ‘antichrist’s calendar.

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One.
And when one understands His Calendar,

The work of Father was completed on the prophetic 6th day of His 1st week.(7th day of a prophetic month when the New Moon is first)

The work of the Son was completed on the prophetic 6th day of His 2nd week. (14th Day when the New Moon is first)

And the work of the Holy Spirit will be completed on the prophetic 6th day of His 3rd week. (21st Day the the New Moon is first)

Each of those 1 New Moon + 6 Work + 1 point to His Creative and Redemptive Work..and all the work is ‘finished’ on the last work day.. That leads into His Sabbath..

Judaism doesn’t see it.. They can have Passover (14th) on Wednesday and are blinded to what the Son did as He finished His Work on the 14th- that 14th is the 6th Day before His weekly Sabbath. Christianity does not see Passover (or the 14th) as His 6th Day, because they see Friday as the 6th day...

See how deceitful Satan is?

That is why the gospel of Passover(14th), Unleavened Bread Sabbath(15th) and First Fruits(16th) can be found in Leviticus before it was detailed in Mathew, Mark, Luke and John..

There are people who say He was crucified on a Wednesday.(they say that because of the sign of Jonah that His Calendar shows as a parable- they try to discount Rome but in a twist of irony , Rome’s template is accurate. It is how they have been able to have the whole world follow it )

If Wednesday crucifixion is historically accurate,then Wednesday was simply the 14th(His 6th work day before His 7th Day Sabbath)that year.
It means Thors Day was His weekly and annual Sabbath (15th- His weekly Sabbath after 6 work days) that year.
and His resurrection would have occurred on a Friday (16th-His first day of the next week), according to Scripture..

The template wouldn’t change but if it is historically accurate of a wednesday Crucifixion, it would expose Rome’s calendar as a fraud and counterfeit- which is my premise.. And it would show how when one simply changes times, they change so much that can be used to hide Truth.
Causing people to break His Commands without knowing it.

Back to your questions-
I have no idea what centering prayer is..

And I get no divine Revelation from Him apart from Scripture.
I do a lot of asking, seeking and knocking and search for answers in scripture..when I added a concordance and a app that showed me what goes on up there in His havens, more truth was revealed.

I guess there might be one time that would be considered ‘odd or strange’, but what I saw appeared
to be an answer to a question I had for Him.
And I tested that too. And it confirmed where He was leading me in the beginning of this journey. It is not easy to reject the world outright.. We learn things at an early age that are hard to get unlearned .

I remember taking a picture of it because it seemed odd.
At least some months later, not that day, I saw how that little thing made sense ‘on the day’ it appeared.

Only time I can recall.. He speaks to us through His Word. My road to Damascus wasn’t literal. No real signs or wonders.except the work He does in transforming me...

When we spend time in His Word and ask , even childish,seemingly nonsense questions, from a humble, near embarassing place of wanting to learn about Him and His Kingdom, He is willing to give answers and lead us to all Truth.

He is willing because He is worthy!


56 posted on 08/17/2015 11:37:07 AM PDT by delchiante
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To: delchiante

You are cherry picking from Scripture. You are believing what you like and dismissing what you don’t.

I can check back with you in a few days. Have a great week. We are polls apart on this. I do not think you are reading my resources. Perhaps you don’t have time. Perhaps your mind is set. We can still talk politics, can’t we.

I am glad you are happy. You will stand before God and answer to Him for your beliefs, words, deeds, thoughts, as will I. In the meantime we can just think each other a heretic. The world will go on. Jesus is Lord and will one day judge the living and the dead. We can’t change truth, but it can change us if we let it.


57 posted on 08/17/2015 12:42:13 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

What do I not like from Scripture?

Cherry picking? I am using His Word to show why it all goes back to Creation and worship and obedience to Him.. That certainly is far more than simple cherry picking.

I am not sure how to cherrypick ‘if you love me, keep my Commandments’.

If one has a question about His Commands- they can ask Him. I did..
He delivered His top 10 to Israel, written by His own finger.. Good place to start.

Those are still around. Satan knows this..that is why Revelation 13 reads the way it does. Prophecy says Satan desires worship..to be like the most High.. He can only do it by lying and stealing.

I don’t know what you mean by sources you sent? I am using the Scriptures . line by line, precept upon precept..

If your belief is you are free to disobey His 10 Commandments- that they have been done away with or rendered fulfilled-in one way you are completely wrong. And one way you are right.

The debt has been paid and fulfilled, but those eternal Ten Commandments are His Laws for His Kingdom (every Kingdom has laws) and aren’t going anywhere.

The ‘great’ in His Kingdom will do and teach others to do them (you can find that in scripture as a quote of His)

What He allowed me to see, by His Grace and mercy, is that our journey is no different than Israel’s..

He has delivered us and made us His Own, Set us free from the bondage by His precious Blood of the Lamb,just like Israel.

He will feed us with manna from heaven and we will drink on this journey to being His. That is the first fold(30)

He will place on ours ears, His Commandments on this journey.(60) He will start to expect us to follow Him by covenant. That is the 2nd fold (60).

We can choose to do or not do. To not hear or listen, or ultimately to have them written on the tablet of my heart(100)..the ultimate is to be a 100 fold priest like the Priest if Zadok where the new covenant is His laws are on our hearts.that is the 3rd fold (100)

Those who dont do any of that are still stuck in Egypt, still in bondage. They will either be on the wayside, rocky, or thorny side and outside the Kingdom.

Those who are fed by Him, have a choice- and if they will not hear(60) or have His Commands on their heart(100) to do them, they will be called Least in the Kingdom

He says they are still ‘saved’.

Those 100 fold will be called Great in the Kingdom. And that spiritual growth can happen on this side..

Now,I dont know if a pastor can do that kind of cherrypicking and make things sound reasonable.maybe it sounds like nonsense to you..

Can Christianity teach that? Not if they can’t count right- they won’t see Israel in the parable of the Sower- those with eyes to see and ears to hear can.. Did His Disciples? Did his followers? The Scriptures were my source, so who knows. I am thankful I can see it- because I once was blind, but now I see! To His Glory!

Having things come together in such clear, simple way,is a blessing to me.
Babel can’t teach that.

Justification is His Work. Sanctification is also His Work.
Glorification is His Work..

We don’t do any of it. But our flesh can impede it all and grieve the Holy Spirit.

Where is the world of believers in relation to His Kingdom? We can check our temperature there, too.

If A Kingdom has
-a King
-territory/land
-citizens,subjects
-laws
what was He preaching about The Kingdom when He came to the lost house of Israel?

Maybe we have so much confusion because people don’t know what Kingdom they would be more comfortable in?

this worldly kingdom today full of leaven or His Kingdom to come?

I know which one I am trying to learn more about..


58 posted on 08/17/2015 1:43:11 PM PDT by delchiante
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