Posted on 02/22/2016 6:12:49 AM PST by marshmallow
Probably, but if you have faith in Jesus, why don't you believe Him and follow the church that He founded???....why don't you believe Him when He ACTUALLY SAID...TAKE AND EAT OF THIS, THIS IS MY BODY....He said it and it is still so. Protestants love to claim the mantle of Christianity while establishing their own misinterpretations of what the Bible says about it.
How did you do that??/....just a question, answer if you want to.
Of the accounts we have in the Bible regarding the Lord's Supper when He is actually conducting the Supper:
1) Who is the audience?
2) What are the circumstances of the passage?
3) What are His instructions?
Same questions for Paul's account in Corinthians.
Now, for John 6:26-71....how does the discussion begin?
Who is the audience?
What is Jesus emphasizing in John 6:41-51?
What aren't the Jews understanding in vv52-58?
Are they believing Him?
Are we commanded to do this anywhere else in the New Testament?
Now, after many of the disciples go away, what question does Jesus ask of the disciples?
What is the answer?
What doesn't He tell them to do?
Are the disciples saved?
Why?
The context doesn’t save your claim; you wrote erroneously about what the Catholic Church teaches. Just admit it and move on.
The problem is with the rcc position as it is against the Word.
Just admit it and move on.
It's a tradition that has been around since her death. When Jesus was dying on the cross He consigned Mary to St. John's care, to take care of her. So, St. John, who was also the youngest of the Apostles, took her with him on his travels to spread the "good news." We don't know how long a time was involved but we do know that St. John traveled throughout Asia Minor and ended up all by himself...in Ephesus. Mary died there in her "simply stone house." THAT is all historical.
The history of Asia Minor is very complicated, as you can read on any site about its history. It seemed that the leaders and those people who lived there (from Jesus' time, through Constantinople to present day Istanbul) agreed to honor that particular site.
I always thought it odd that the Turks would honor "Mary's house," but they do. They, the Turks, don't maintain it, though, as they leave that up to Christians.
The last time I was there, a few decades ago, a contingent of U.S.A. Midwestern Catholics were the ones who maintained it.
There is a book you can buy called FOUR WITNESSES. It's editor is Rod Bennett, Ignatius Press. The authors are cited below.
It's about the "early Church in her own words." There are four authors, Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, Justin Martyr and Irenaeus of Lyons.
1. Clement of Rome and his Epistle to the Corinthians, was written about the same time as the Gospel of John. http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/did-john-write-his-gospel
2. Ignatius of Antioch was an early pastor of the Church at Antioch and was described by several ancient writers as "a hearer of the apostles." There are at least five certified epistles of Ignatius, all of them composed in or about 107 A.D.
3. Justin Martyr reported that the Church has spread across the known world by HIS times, the year 150 A.D.
4. Irenaeus of Lyons wrote a massive, five-volume work Against Heresies and recalls studying his theology at the feet of (St.) Polycarp. Polycarp was was personally taught by John the Beloved, who was personally taught by Jesus. All Catholic sites say that St. John was "the Beloved." Some of the other sites, non-Catholic Christian, cite a wide variety of opinions as to who "John the Beloved" was. There is no one agreed version for them.
I hope I gave you a decent answer. I still occasionally read the FOUR WITNESSES as I can read about Jesus from the words of men who witnessed those early Church fathers.
How did you do that??/....just a question, answer if you want to.
I recognized I was a sinner after talking with my pastor. He explained that only Jesus could forgive my sins. He explained how sin has separated us from Christ and that only His blood can cleanse us of all sins.
He explained of the need to repent, believe and follow up in baptism. I said I wanted to do that.
I repented (Acts 2:38) and began believing (John 3:16) in Him. This was followed up in baptism (Acts 2:38).
I continue to grow and mature as a believer. I think I've moved on from milk to solid food as a believer. Still a lot of growing to do.
I owe my eternal life to Him and Him alone.
I appreciate the answer and references.
He ACTUALLY SAID...
...you vipers!
Just PROVE it and move on.
Oh; it's not so complicated.
1. Catholics formed at least 7 churches there.
2. They went belly up really quickly.
3. They were teaching error.
4. GOD was upset over them.
5. HE sent and angel to John so he could TRY to get their attention.
6. One can go visit the ruins of them today.
I know they do now...
Fine, that was my point; you admit it is the Catholic claim that Jesus is giving all of us His mother, blessed Mary, mother of "God with us."
What is clearly in contradiction with the Catholic view is your tradition.
I'm curious how you define your usage of "the Word". Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home. Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren; The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity. Honour widows that are widows indeed. But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God. Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day. But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth. And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless. But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man, Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work. But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry; Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith. And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not. I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully. For some are already turned aside after Satan. If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.
John, Catholic chapter nineteen, Protestant verses twenty five to twenty seven,
First Timothy, Catholic chapter five, Protestant verses one to sixteen,
as authorized, but not authored, by King James
BTW, I read the first sentence's second phrase as indicating you held that it is not the Catholic claim that Jesus is giving his mother to his disciples. Of course it is the Catholic claim, as I demonstrated. I now see you may have simply been contending that you don't find that in the Greek. I read the sentence as "A is not in the Greek nor is (it) the catholic claim that ..., to which I raised my objection. I already knew the tradition of the devolved Protestant denominations and sects that have largely discounted blessed Mary from their reading of scripture in reaction to Catholicism.
Matthew 12:48
But he replied to the man who told him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?"
Luke 8:21
He replied, "My mother and brothers are those who hear God's word and put it into practice."
To be truthful; there just ain't very much ABOUT Mary in the Scriptures that Rome assembled so long ago.
Making a mountain out of a molehill just isn't something that most Prots are wont to do.
Good news. Protestants are angry, so something is done right, glory be to God.
For the catholic to claim this means Mary is given to everyone is reading something into the text that is not there based on the Greek.
Are there scripture verses that you think apply to you, but by your own Greek rule (leaving the Hebrew aside for the moment) you are reading something into the text that is not there based on the Greek?
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