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The Call: Azusa Now
Azusa Now ^ | 4/9/2016 | Lou Engle

Posted on 04/09/2016 12:04:27 PM PDT by SetFree

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To: Aliska

“Are they all of one accord (biblical doctrinally sound and in agreement as to interpretation)?”

That’s called eisegesis: reading a whole lot more INTO the text than the text actually says. The text says “one accord”; it does not say, as do you, “lockstep agreement in all respects.” That level of alignment wasn’t the spiritual requirement for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2, it has not been the requirement at any hour in human history, and it is not the requirement in this hour, either.

“One accord” means we agree in this moment as to what we are praying that God will do. That sort of agreement doesn’t necessitate that we first align perfectly theologically; it doesn’t require that we align denominationally; it doesn’t require that we think uniformly about the sticky wickets in the scriptural text — that just isn’t necessary to being in one accord; because what God is going to do — what He’s calling upon us to cry out to Him for in prayer — isn’t about us; it’s about HIM.


41 posted on 04/09/2016 8:46:04 PM PDT by HKMk23 (You ask how to fight an idea? Well, I'll tell you how: with another idea!)
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To: PROCON
I personally think we're too far gone and don't deserve God's mercy anymore because of our collective disobedience, but that's just me.

We never merit or deserve God's mercy or grace. If we did, it would make God a debtor and it wouldn't be mercy or grace.

He also Judges. He judges groups as well as individuals. As a nation, indeed we might end up facing divine discipline by being judged as a nation.

42 posted on 04/09/2016 10:18:38 PM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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To: HKMk23
By their fruits ye shall know them. All I know is what I learned the hard way and what God has shown me, little by little, in the years following. I've also combed the scriptures for all references to speaking in tongues and slaying in the spirit and gifts of the spirit in up to three or four translations. Of course I read and reflected on the gospel. And it is hard when you don't have anyone you can ask who isn't swayed by what they want to believe.

This is the man who slayed me in the spirit, the one and hopefully only time I will ever dabble in that manner of black arts. I also started babbling in some sounds I remember a little, but the catcher caught me, and I didn't go completely down or out. I'm not prone to hypnosis or suggestion; I felt something like electricity or static in the atmosphere around me. I didn't feel good inside during or after, didn't feel fear but didn't feel peace. The best I could say is it felt relaxing. The man's name is John Wesley Fletcher, now deceased, other unsavory rumors about him on the internet, mentioned in the NYT article below.

New York Times - PASTOR TELLS OF GUILT OVER INTRODUCING PAIR

Now Jim Bakker is out of prison, first wife Tammy Faye divorced him and later died of cancer, is married to another blonde lady who seems nice, has a TV show, has little cabins for rent on some development, and of all things, Jonathan Cahn who of "The Harbinger" fame is a regular on his show, selling his books and other materials. I know God is loving and forgiving, but I can't understand why Jonathan Cahn would choose his show as a vehicle for his ministry based on Pentecostalism.

I believe these movements are one of several major deceptions of the age.

43 posted on 04/09/2016 10:26:16 PM PDT by Aliska ("No bank is too big to fail, and no executive is too powerful to jail." HRC 1/24/16)
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To: Cvengr

I pray nightly that God bring this people back to Him, that He guide us and protect us again. And beg for all the righteous people in this country, that He not judge us yet.

This country deserves it, to be sure, but perhaps we can change if we wake up.


44 posted on 04/09/2016 10:34:14 PM PDT by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: trisham

Yes, it was the beginning of the Charismatic branch of then Protestantism.


45 posted on 04/10/2016 3:05:59 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Arlis; PROCON; SkyPilot; Lera; SaveFerris; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; ...
When did we ever “deserve” God’s mercy?

Never. By it's very nature, it can't be deserved.

Just like grace, if we deserve it, then it's neither mercy nor grace.

I fear that Rabbi Jonathan Cahn is correct about God's judgment coming on us as a nation.

I read the book The Harbinger, and seen some other video clips of him warning our leadership of their need to repent and turn to God as God is sending us warning signals that all is not well.

They aren't listening.

Nobody wants to live through the end times, with the Tribulation and judgment that is coming, but some generation is the one which is going to see it and I fear that we are the one.

There are just too many things set up in place that allow the fulfillment of Bible prophecy in ways that have never been possible before.

46 posted on 04/10/2016 3:11:54 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Tax-chick

Likewise in the Syracuse area. There are ecumenical prayer groups praying for revival and renewal in Central NY. And I believe there are even some Catholics in it. :)


47 posted on 04/10/2016 3:14:14 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Tax-chick

Yeah, like if it’s on the schoolroom computer, you might be tricked into thinking he’s doing something educational.


48 posted on 04/10/2016 3:16:00 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Aliska; HKMk23
A person need not possess any of those so-called gifts in our times to be saved.

Nor does a person need to possess any of the gifts to have been filled with the Holy Spirit.

49 posted on 04/10/2016 3:18:07 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Aliska

More people should have your discernment.


50 posted on 04/10/2016 3:21:20 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Aliska
I know God is loving and forgiving, but I can't understand why Jonathan Cahn would choose his show as a vehicle for his ministry based on Pentecostalism.

I was not aware of that.

The thing that impressed my most about Cahn is his consistent, no holds barred call to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ.

FWIW, I've been involved in Pentecostal churches over the years and see what you have seen and agree with you.

There is no *slain in the Spirit* found in Scripture, nor is there the use of the gifts are they are practiced today found in Scripture.

Nor the teaching that tongues is a sign of the baptism of the Spirit and that when people ask if you've been filled with the Spirit, they mean speaking in tongues. And that if you haven't spoken in tongues, you haven't REALLY been filled.

You might be interested in this. If you do a google search on this topic and you'll see a lot of material.

The Kundalini Spirit has Invaded The Church Masquerading as The Holy Spirit !!! BE VIGILANT!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfXmDkQiE2o

Also this from John MacArtthur's Strange Fire Conference by Joni Eareckson Tada.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI22o5u32z0

FWIW, I do sincerely hope that revival breaks out and people get saved, genuinely born again and forsake their sin and live for God, and I hope that this isn't just another Pentecostal, feel good road show with lots of claims of God moving and nothing changes in the end.

Revival will always make a difference. If this doesn't and it's just another flash in the pan.....well, I would personally question if it were from God.

51 posted on 04/10/2016 3:43:27 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Aliska

That is a very good article.

I appreciate the fact that he addresses as Pentecostalism irrespective of denominational affiliation.


52 posted on 04/10/2016 3:49:20 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

This is the son (14) who will happily spend 8 hours a day doing computerized math instruction ... but I knew he meant ArmorGames.com in this case ;-).


53 posted on 04/10/2016 4:31:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The world is full of wonder, but you see it only if you look." ~NicknamedBob)
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To: Aliska
It just isn't worth the risk for the little bit of truth that might come out of it.

Well said. And if one reads through the prophets, it becomes very clear how our Holy God feels about mixing wrong ways of worship with how He tells us to worship. Yikes!

54 posted on 04/10/2016 4:46:08 AM PDT by lupie
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To: metmom

Agree totally.

Hebrews 12:25-29.

At the same time, God can move sovereignly at any time He chooses to move men to humble themselves and repent - just as every move of His in history was a sovereign move of His grace and not something initiated by man.

All things spiritual and eternal have their origin in Him.......

While I think Cahn has a lot of things probably correct, he goes a bit too far with the details for me with his own thoughts and ideas.......and there is too much self-promotion in his ministry for my liking.......not unlike Hal Lindsay (a former friend I’ve not seen for decades) did in the 70’s and 80’s.........


55 posted on 04/10/2016 5:54:27 AM PDT by Arlis
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To: metmom

It is ALWAYS a very good thing for men to humble themselves before God and cry out to Him for mercy and forgiveness......ALWAYS.........


56 posted on 04/10/2016 5:55:51 AM PDT by Arlis
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To: blam

I don’t think this is in Azusa, it’s in LA, on Azusa St. I lived in Azusa from birth to almost 11 years.


57 posted on 04/10/2016 8:06:38 AM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: Excellence

Were you bothered by the Srirachi Sauce scents?

58 posted on 04/10/2016 10:13:12 AM PDT by blam (Jeff Sessions For President)
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To: blam

We left in the fall of 1966.


59 posted on 04/10/2016 11:51:21 AM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: stars & stripes forever

Will Azusa Now Fan the Flames of Revival in America?



Are you still killing your unborn?

-- GOD


 

60 posted on 04/10/2016 2:10:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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