Posted on 07/13/2016 12:29:26 PM PDT by ebb tide
Their “logic” (emotion)is that it isn’t their kids behavior that’s wrong, but the Law of God.
Sadly many Catholics do not want to believe that their religion has changed. That the Bible, like the Constitution, has been made irrelevant. It really is no longer a religion of God, or one that God would accept.
This “Pope” is turning RC teachings on their head. The fraud is almost indistinguishable from Maobama and Rotten.
I contend it is all about money and power. We know it isn't about God and the Bible.
I contend it is all about people not wanting to believe that their Pope is deceiving them, and that he is a disciple of Karl Marx, and not Jesus Christ. Where is the call for evangelism from this pretender? Nowhere.
There is too much invested in believing that the Pope, ANY Pope, deserves reverence. This one simply does not.
Our Catholic “religion” has not changed. The problem is clerics in high places, like Gomez and his predecessor Mahony,-— and their middle-management accomplices -— who are promoting bizarre mutant ideologies not recognizable as Catholicism.
The solution is for Catholics to live Catholicism, and to demand this of the false or cowardly shepherds.
“They are very active in parish life: one or the other (or both) has served as president of the parish council, chair of the liturgy committee and on the diocesan liturgical commission, religious education teacher, lector, Eucharistic minister, cantor and choir member.”
WHAT? How was this allowed to happen?
Zagano also repeatedly debated the “born gay” theory in her blog for the National Catholic Reporter and argued that: “…if down the road science undeniably proves homosexuality is a status rooted in genetics — or at least is gestational biology — the church will be faced with a game changer.”
National Catholic Reporter (consider the source)
The next schism is already here
I especially liked this statement of Zagano's:
Because they never did or at least no longer do find space in legitimate media, the self-appointed pontiffs build internet and other social media followings for their unfiltered personal attacks on anyone who strays beyond the boundaries of the church of their imaginings.
As if her rag has ever been legitimate media. Between Zagano and M.S. Winters, they're starting their own religion.
“Our Catholic “religion” has not changed.”
But without a Catholic Hierarchy to support the laity, Catholicism is difficult (if not impossible) to practice. When the hierarchy begins to implement pastoral changes that reject 2000 years of prior Papal and Magisterial teaching, the cognitive dissonance becomes too great to avoid.
It would be different of Bergoglio and the Cardinals were merely whoring around and living immoral lives without tinkering with doctrine (and stealthily tampering with dogma), but it is just the opposite. The are Modernist Populists who are transforming the Faith through what they sand and do (and DON’T say and do).
I commend you on your attempt to remain true to the Church. I tried, but I ended up concluding that “The Body of Christ” must be greater than the RCC (perhaps even largely different), since “The Gates of Hell” have obviously prevailed against the Roman Leadership (both Pope and Magisterium).
Did you ever look at the SSPX or FSSP?
bkmk
That’s a possibility as well.
What you have here is not a failure of doctrine, but of discipline; of pastoral practice; of corrupt, confused, or cowardly churchmen. This is a failure based on human weakness and sinfulness, and has been a constant, waxing and waning, in Christ's Church since Our Lord hung on a cross.
Yes, Peter denied Him and Judas betrayed Him, and the rest of them --- with the exception of John --- ran sweating and quaking toward the tall grass. These are the picked men, the select men, for whom Jesus Himself prayed, just hours before, that they should have faith, unity, and strength. (John 17).
The Church is not defeated by the faults of men, even if those faults are grave and nearly unanimous.
I recommend the reading of Catholic history. Once the shock passes, it steadies one.
All we're promised --- and it's a limited promise, but an essential one --- is that in the midst of all the vagaries of foolish or wicked churchmen, error will not finally prevail. In the practical sense, this means that their errors will never be formally promulgated as doctrines to be accepted de fide by all the faithful.
I'd go on, but I have to go to a parish meeting in about 10 minutes. Let me leave you with this 2-minute video. It's humorous --- it may make you laugh, in an ouchy sort of way --- but it makes a valid point:
The tagline quote is from Oscar Wilde.
AND, if the current occupant of the papacy, Bergoglio offends YOU in some way, imagine how offended CATHOLICS are. Nonetheless, with scant research, I can give you ten utterly notorious papal predecessors of Bergoglio. Familiarize yourself with the late 15th century disgrace Alexander VI (maiden name Borgia and father of poisoner Lucretia Borgia and warlord Cesare Borgia).
You seem to operate under the common non-Catholic assumption that papal infallibility (defined in the mid-nineteenth century) suggests impeccability (sinlessness of popes ex officio). It means nothing whatsoever of the sort. Popes are as eligible for hell as anyone else. Dante in his great Catholic literary work The Divine Comedy places many of them in hell together with specific reasons. Of course, what actually happened to their souls was God's call and not Dante's but Catholics have no tradition of believing popes sinless or ineligible for permanent consignment to hell.
Reflection should lead you to the conclusion that the pope has an incredible spiritual burden on his shoulders and that failure to adequately bear that burden is a near occasion of hell.
I generally avoid arguing here with the "reformed" Christians but your posts demand a Catholic response. If you respond, I may not feel moved to respond to you but you do not know what you are talking about whatever YOU may imagine. If you imagine yourself Catholic but disagreeing with Bergoglio, that is a different matter.
As to Bergoglio, he is a rank disgrace but he is not going to drive me from Catholicism to error. He will be dead soon enough and his election or that of someone like him is not likely to be repeated by the next conclave. I cannot imagine the lies that must have been told artfully at his conclave to get him elected.
Like Saint John Paul II and Pope John Paul I and Pope Benedict XVI having to clean up the mess of John XXIII and Paul VI, the next pope will have the task of cleaning up Bergoglio's mess. The truly evil cabal of cardinals who conspired in his election will be dead or forcibly retired by old age (Kaspar, Marx, Schoenbrun, Madariaga, O'Malley, Bergoglio himself, and others collectively known as the St. Gall Society originally formed to make the radical Jesuit Jose Maria Martini of Milan pope but he aged out an died before they could elect him) Finally, Jesus Christ founded this Roman Catholic Church on Peter or (if you prefer) on Peter's confession of Faith and promised to be WITH that Church ALL days until the end of the world. It was in all the Bibles.
I regard Jesus Christ's promises as valid. How about you?
God bless you and yours!
Beautiful response. Thank you.
The National “Catholic” Distorter is my daily penance. Bad as Winters and Zagano and Jamie Manson and Joan Chittester and the rest are, the readers who post responses are worse. Today they are rationalizing abortion on demand because woman knows best.
Thank you! May God bless you and yours!
I can’t believe Gomez and his court put up with it.
I miss faithful leadership
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