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The Great Upheaval...Revelation 4-7 pt 17
https://billrandles.wordpress.com/2016/09/04/the-great-upheaval-revelation-4-7-pt-17/ ^ | 09-04-16 | Bill Randles

Posted on 09/03/2016 9:02:51 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? (Revelation 6:11-17)

The opening of the sixth seal seems to take us to very the last days of this present passing age. I do not believe Revelation is written with strict chronology in mind, instead it seems that we are shown the events leading up to and including the full Revelation of Jesus Christ to the unbelieving and God rejecting world, from various vantage points.

First of all, at the opening of this seal there is a shattering earthquake. Could this be the same earthquake described in Revelation 16? I think so because in both, the mountains and Islands move out of their places.

And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.(Revelation 16:18-20)

Everything solid underfoot is shaken, literally the ground underneath God resisting man is shaken because the time of shaking and upheaval is at hand. No longer can man count on anything, independently of God. Isaiah saw this also, when he described the last day,

The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.(Isaiah 24:19-20)

Why not? Why wouldn’t the earth move and shake underneath the “inhabitants of the earth”? Isaiah gives us the indictment,

The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.(Isaiah 24:5-6)

The laws that they have transgressed are the universal laws binding upon all men, not just Jews and Christians. They have “Changed the ordinance” and “broken the everlasting covenant“. The human rebellion against the infinite personal God of the Bible is so profound, even the earth is sensitive to it, and convulses.

The “everlasting covenant” could refer to the primal ordinances that God instituted to undergird the human race, even after the fall. Consider just what God ordained in the first eleven chapters of Genesis,

* Creation as separate from Creator- the Creator/ Creation distinction. (Geneis 1-3)

* Seed bearing after its own kind. (Genesis 2)

*Man and Woman made in the Image of God-(Genesis 1 and 2)

* Marriage between one man and one woman-(Genesis 2)

* The Sexual roles of man and woman-(Genesis 2)

* Be fruitful and multiply- procreation as a blessing, the sanctity of life.(Genesis 2)

* Subdue the earth- dress and keep it, cultivate and make it fruitful.(Genesis 2)

* Man as Lord over the animals. (Genesis 2)

* The necessity of blood sacrifice in religious worship.(Genesis 3 and 4)

* The death penalty for murder-(Genesis 8)

* Permission to eat meat-(Genesis 8)

* The assurance of four seasons-(Genesis 8)

* The separation of the different nation states that they might “Seek God”.(Genesis 10)

These are just a sampling of that which God instituted in the very beginning and formative years of human history. But note how humanistic man in his pride and rebellion, systematically repudiates each one of these!

We live in a topsy-turvy world of inverse values, because of the over all rejection of God. Now modern man has no problem with abortion of human beings in the womb, for man is now seen as his own creator and definer of values.

The beautiful and complimentary Male/Female roles are rejected and twisted into obscene and tortured caricatures of humanity. Marriage, the exalted prophecy of Christ and His Church has been blasphemed, for sodomites hate marriage, thus they clamor for it.

The “Babel effect” has almost completely been reversed by technology and the world is becoming globalised, now nothing they could imagine is out of reach, unless the most high intervene once again as He did in olden times. Even concepts such as seed bearing after it’s own kind, have been tampered with in Genetically modified seed! Four seasons? Not according to the Global warming crowd!

Point by point everyone of these ordinances have been renounced, “Be fruitful and multiply…” …but man says there are too many people to sustain on the earth. “Whoever sheds man’s blood by man shall his blood be shed”…but modern man says that this is too barbaric,(although he has no problem with abortion). A religion of vicarious substitution? No, a new humanistic religion of good works and ecumenism.

It’s no wonder then that God is going to shake the earth. The only wonder is that He has graciously waited so long to do it. Therefore those not saved should take heed to the apostle who gave us the book of Hebrews, who warns us that the One who shook a mountain on Sinai is about to shale the whole earth,

Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God is a consuming fire.(Hebrews 12:26-29)


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: birthpangs; earthquake; endways; prophecy

1 posted on 09/03/2016 9:02:52 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

I think the devil gets way too much publicity and credit. Some things are still too stubborn for mankind. We’ve never been able to produce a new species even with genetic engineering — only to impart new qualities to old species. The challenge of Babel persists even with automated translation, and linguists set forth excellent explanations about why that is. (As a small example, terms that mean “good night” are greetings in one language, farewells in others; and without a context, the best that can be given is some generic phrase without heart.)


2 posted on 09/03/2016 9:38:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Good read


3 posted on 09/03/2016 10:59:11 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: pastorbillrandles

Bill, I’ve been reading your material on Rev. 4-7 with interest. With all respect, please let me make a couple comments.

You say that you “do not believe Revelation is written with strict chronology in mind,” yet in part 1, Christ gave the time frame for the book in 1.1, 3, when he said they “must soon take place,” and “the time is near.” You didn’t notice that time element at all, so you apply Rev. 6.11-17 to the last days of our age.

Please consider that this passage speaking of people being judged and hiding in the dens and rocks, and pleading for the mountains to fall on them, is a direct quote from Isa. 2-4. In Isa. 2.2, Isaiah foretold Old Covenant Israel’s last days. These are the last days of the Mosaic age, for the age of Christ has no end (Isa. 9.5, Lk. 1.33). In Isa. 2.12, Isaiah says that “there shall be a day off Jehovah” in Israel’s last days, and on that day, Isaiah gives in 2.19-21 the very passage John quoted inn Rev. 6, and that you quoted in your article this morning: “19 And men will go into caves of the rocks, And into holes of the ground Before the terror of the LORD, And before the splendor of His majesty, When He arises to make the earth tremble. 20 In that day men will cast away to the moles and the bats Their idols of silver and their idols of gold, Which they made for themselves to worship, 21 In order to go into the caverns of the rocks and the clefts of the cliffs, Before the terror of the LORD and the splendor of His majesty, When He arises to make the earth tremble “

It’s astounding that Jesus quotes these verses in Lk. 23.28-31 and applies Isaiah’s teaching of the Day of Jehovah in Israel’s last days to the upcoming destruction of Jerusalem! As he carried the cross to Golgotha, he turned to the women who were bewailing and mourning what was happening to him, saying, “28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. 29 For behold, the days are coming, in which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the breasts that never gave suck. 30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.” Our savior applied Isaiah’s prophecy to the doom that’s to imminently befall these ladies and other citizens of Jerusalem when Titus destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70.

Not only that, but the author of Hebrews quotes from them in Heb. 12.26 and gives them the same application. Finally, John quotes them in Rev. 6.16 and also applies them to the upcoming destruction of Babylon the harlot, the city where Jesus was crucified! (Rev. 11.8)

These are the very verses you quote from Rev. 6 and apply to our present age. Wouldn’t it be much better for all of us to take heed to the time statements Jesus gave in Rev. 1.1, 3, and then again in Rev. 22.6 (“must shortly come to pass”), 10 (“the time is at hand”), 12, and 20 (“I come quickly”), and then apply the prophecy in Isaiah as Jesus, the author or Hebrews, and John did?

Thanks for reading, and considering,


4 posted on 09/04/2016 5:17:28 AM PDT by FNU LNU (Nothing runs like a Deere, nothing smells like a john)
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To: FNU LNU

Thanks for your insight and for your tone of love and respect. I will certainly consider what you are saying. One question FNU LNU, are you a Preterist?


5 posted on 09/04/2016 5:23:10 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles (ore and rebuild Jerusalem)
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To: pastorbillrandles

I am, but if you believe, as Jesus said, the things in Revelation were soon to come to pass, and the time was at hand (1.1, 3), and you believe Jesus’ quotation of Isa. 2 in Lk. 23 applied to the destruction of Jerusalem, instead of our present age, does that make you one?


6 posted on 09/04/2016 6:57:01 AM PDT by FNU LNU (Nothing runs like a Deere, nothing smells like a john)
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To: pastorbillrandles

And if you don’t believe what Jesus said in Rev. 1.1, 3 and Lk. 23, what does that make you? Surely something worse than a preterist!


7 posted on 09/04/2016 6:58:31 AM PDT by FNU LNU (Nothing runs like a Deere, nothing smells like a john)
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To: FNU LNU

I an both a Preterist and a futurist because I believe many prophecies have multiple fulfilments leading up to a final, absolute eschatological fulfillment


8 posted on 09/04/2016 7:35:11 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles (ore and rebuild Jerusalem)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Amen.


9 posted on 09/04/2016 8:19:29 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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To: pastorbillrandles

We discussed these schools of thought (Preterism, Futurism, Historicism, and Symbolism) in our reading of the first chapter of Revelation on the Jerusalem Thread. I too, believe in multiple and continuous fulfillment of the Prophecies in the Bible.

Even in the secular world, we have multiple examples of “coincidences” that are quite fascinating. The number of disasters for the Jewish People that occurred on Tish ab’Av is perhaps the most glaring example.

But we also have the crazy occurrences that happened during WW1, when Jerusalem was taken without firing a shot merely because General Allenby’s name SOUNDED like “Prophet of God” in Arabic.

And who can forget the coincidences that were circulated right after the Kennedy Assassination, comparing it to the killing of Abraham Lincoln?

Right after 9/11/01, the Internet was replete with coincidences involving the number 11. Even the image of the Twin Towers looked like an 11.

Of course, these are just secular occurrences that may or may not be mere coincidences. But the Bible is the Word of God. God is Eternal Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent. He is not bound by the Time-Space Continuum.

Therefore, it is quite possible to be both a Preterist and a Futurist at the same time.

My Humble Opinion.


10 posted on 09/04/2016 8:32:11 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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