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Is the Jesus of Mormonism the Jesus of the Bible? (James White dialogs with Alma Allred.)
Aaron Shafovaloff private account You Tube ^ | Published on July 16, 2016 | James White, founder Alpha and Omega Ministries via Aaron Shafovaloff

Posted on 09/13/2016 11:11:40 AM PDT by fishtank

Is the Jesus of Mormonism the Jesus of the Bible?

Aaron Shafovaloff

Published on Jul 16, 2016

James White dialogs with Alma Allred.

James White is a Christian apologist and founded Alpha and Omega Ministries (http://www.aomin.org/).

Alma Allred is a Mormon apologist and an LDS Institute teacher (http://byteline.blogspot.com/).

This event took place on July 15, 2016. It was organized by Christ Presbyterian Church in Salt Lake City (http://www.gospelutah.org/). A special thanks to Jason Wallace.


TOPICS: Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Other Christian
KEYWORDS: bible; lds; mormonism
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Interesting discussion / debate.
1 posted on 09/13/2016 11:11:40 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank

Dr. James White is probably the best Christian apologist out there today.


2 posted on 09/13/2016 11:13:24 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: fishtank

Nope.


3 posted on 09/13/2016 11:13:44 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("They Say That Nobody's Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: fishtank

IIRC,,
Jesus and satan are brothers,,,
according to the book of mormon.


4 posted on 09/13/2016 11:16:00 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: fishtank
The title on the Cover of the Book of Mormon is "Another Gospel."

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed Galatians 1:8-9.

5 posted on 09/13/2016 11:16:56 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: All

I have about 15 minutes to go to hear the whole discussion.


6 posted on 09/13/2016 11:17:06 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

We’re waiting,,,


7 posted on 09/13/2016 11:18:50 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: fishtank

” What Mormons Believe About Jesus Christ
The following excerpts are taken from an address to the Harvard Divinity School in March 2001 by Robert L. Millet, former dean of religious education at Brigham Young University....
What Do We Believe About Jesus Christ?

Latter-day Saints are Christians on the basis of our doctrine, our defined relationship to Christ, our patterns of worship and our way of life.

What Do We Believe About Christ?

We believe Jesus is the Son of God, the Only Begotten Son in the flesh (John 3:16). We accept the prophetic declarations in the Old Testament that refer directly and powerfully to the coming of the Messiah, the Savior of all humankind. We believe that Jesus of Nazareth was and is the fulfillment of those prophecies.”
That is the sole requirement of Salvation.
Any other questions? What do you believe about Jesus ?
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/what-mormons-believe-about-jesus-christ


8 posted on 09/13/2016 11:20:16 AM PDT by WENDLE (hillary will never debate Trump. She Can't)
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To: SkyDancer

Agreed-Nope. Jesus was not created.


9 posted on 09/13/2016 11:20:36 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper
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To: fishtank; All

Short answer: No!


10 posted on 09/13/2016 11:20:53 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: fishtank

I will answer this with a question that has always bugged me.

If Joseph Smith was truly a prophet he would have known one piece of information that has been lost to rest of mankind.

You see, the knowable righteous thought it a sin to even mention “Gods Name” and substituted “THE LORD” instead. Now there are two English pronunciations: Jehovah and Yahweh. However, as there were no vowels in Hebrew, no one knows for sure.

Yet, Joseph Smith would have. He came to earth at the request of God, only to hide his “Name.” I don’t think so. Makes no sense to me. As it was not God who wanted his name hidden.

Logic say’s Joseph Smith was not sent from or by God.....


11 posted on 09/13/2016 11:21:02 AM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Dont forget Love)
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To: fishtank

It’s an OPC church, for those keeping score.


12 posted on 09/13/2016 11:21:03 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: SkyDancer

If a Mormon is reading John 3:16 in the KJV and believes in Jesus, Is he saved?


13 posted on 09/13/2016 11:22:38 AM PDT by xzins ( Free Republic Gives YOU a voice heard around the globe. Support the Freepathon!)
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To: fishtank
Is the Jesus of Mormonism the Jesus of the Bible?

NO! Nor is Mormonism the same as Christianity. It is a cult, started by a shyster con guy.

14 posted on 09/13/2016 11:23:03 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Jim 0216

One thing to remember here is that Galatians was written quite awhile before anyone had heard of Mormonism(to my knowledge). If the message keeps changing,then something is suspect here.


15 posted on 09/13/2016 11:24:36 AM PDT by oldtech
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To: Big Red Badger

Really?

That would be a huge heresy.


16 posted on 09/13/2016 11:25:14 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: fishtank

Bump


17 posted on 09/13/2016 11:26:00 AM PDT by exnavy (John 3:16)
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To: xzins
.. and believes in Jesus, Is he saved?

The proper question is who does the Mormon say Jesus is?

If not God then John 3:16 is moot to him.

18 posted on 09/13/2016 11:26:12 AM PDT by PROCON ("Lock Her Up! Lock Her Up!")
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To: WENDLE
Mormon Cult Deception Method:

1. Convince you of their sincerity
2. Trick you into expressing faith first in the Book of Mormon by praying and asking for a sign (this takes you off the objective ground of Biblical truth and puts you into subjective ground of feelings - where you will have to forever remain to stay in mormonism.)
3. Convince you that the Bible has errors in its translation - though they won't tell you what is an error...
4. Trick you into expressing faith in the prophet Joseph Smith - totally based on feelings and not facts, evidence or logic
5. Trick you into expressing faith in the Restoration of the “Gospel” - totally made up need and a contradiction of the Bible's promises to the Church (see Galatians Chapter one)
6. Get you all the way into the baptismal font...

..........................................................

7. ONLY THEN... you will learn the true DEVIANT doctrines of
Mormonism. At this point, it is too late! You only have
feelings as a basis of truth! You will believe anything.

..........................................................

Such as the following “truths” taught in mormonism ...

The 4 Mormon Earth gods:

... The mormon “Heavenly Father” used to be a man, but became God. You will have to swallow that God could sin!
... Heavenly Mother! Yes, mormons believe that Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother have celestial sex and create unlimited numbers of "spirit children. Unfortunately, it is worse than this. Mormonism also believes in celestial polygamy. This means there is more than one "Heavenly Mother" and there is no limit to the actual number of "Heavenly Mothers."
... The Jesus of mormonism was a created spirit being who became one of the three mormon earth gods
... The mormonic Holy Spirit is also a created spirit being. He doesn’t have a body because he is on probation! Yes, he was naughty. He sinned.

... In short, the mormon earth gods are sinful, created spirit beings. But there is more...

The Mormonic Pantheon of gods:

... There are BILLIONS or TRILLIONS of mormon gods on other planets.
Hindus have approximately 350 million gods. They are
pikers compared to mormons.

How do they get so many gods? They manufacture more all the
time:

... Any mormon male can be a God with his own planet, plural mother goddesses, and spirit kids to worship him.
... Becoming a mormon god means lots of works to attain the god-level. This is why you see mormons working so hard. Now you know why.
... Speaking of levels, heaven has three levels.
... All the trillions of gods in the mormon pantheon get together regularly over spring break in Kolob Beach to “counsel together”

What will your life be like as a mormon?

... you have to give 10%?
... You will give up the total sufficiency of the death of Christ for your sins and rely on your own "worthiness" - which the Bible calls "filthy rags"
... your bishop is there to ask if you gave your FULL tithe
... your bishop is also there to ask many probing, personal, embarrassing questions
... Did we mention you will
... you will have to complete Masonic Temple rituals that involve strangers touching your private parts
... you will forever have to base your life on the false foundation of feelings that contradict the clear teaching of the Bible
... You will have to wear magic underwear 24/7/365

Once inside the Morg, you have to accept it ALL to move up the chain towards Godhood. ... It is nothing more than a Celestial Amway Organization

THAT IS THE REAL MORMON/LDS

19 posted on 09/13/2016 11:30:17 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: PROCON

I’ve never seen it that way.

I don’t think anyone coming to Jesus has a correct theology before they come to Him.

I’ve always heard that we clean the fish after we’ve caught them. :>)


20 posted on 09/13/2016 11:30:51 AM PDT by xzins ( Free Republic Gives YOU a voice heard around the globe. Support the Freepathon!)
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