5 Things to know about Coptic Christians

Aletelia ^ | April 11, 2017 | Joanne McPortland

[rodguy911]

Thanks very much,just when you think the mad muzzies can’t get any crazier,,,they do.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Ignorant as I am, I look stuff up every day. Though I''m rather familiar with these words, I believe I'll Google "Catechism" and "Sacred Tradition" and see what more I can add to my knowledge or insight.

It's wonderful that there's so much free education out there: applicable, of course, only to those who are willing to learn.

[Campion]

Sometimes our FRoman Catholic friends come off as badly as the Islamists do.

You're comparing Freeper Catholics to people who commit mass murder?

Stay classy ...

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Curious about how a “Catechism” is based on God’s Word?
Same with “Sacred Tradition”?

If you do any honest research on both, you’ll see that they are both heavily influenced on Greco-Roman Paganism.

Thanks for playing though...

[Roman_War_Criminal]

I was once Catholic, I know far more than you do I bet.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

You read the Bible? Really???

What does it say about Purgatory?
Idolatry?
What about praying to the dead?
Rosary beads (another pagan ritual)?

Speaking of softballs!

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Well they do have a much longer history than the Islamists do if we’re going to have an honest conversation about this.

Good luck having that here though.

[Mrs. Don-o]

If you do any honest research, you will see that the Catechism and Sacred Tradition are saturated with God';s Word. In fact, Holy Scriptures are a priileged and precious part of Sacred Tradition.

Yes, the Church is in heavy dialogue with Greco-Roman culture. To such an extent, that seven books of the OT and the entire New Testament were written in Greek, and (in both East and West) almost the entire corpus of the earliest commentary, the discussions and rulings of the first Ecumenical Councils, and even the polemics were carried out in Greek.

And the Church is in dialogue, not just with Greco-Roman culture (which Paul did not scorn, but built upon: cf. especially Acts 17:22-34), but with every human culture She encounters.

You're very welcome.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

You consider celebrating and praying to “Saints” as Biblical or “Tradition”?

Holy Water?
Mary being sinless and co-redeemer with Christ?
Salvation only possible through the RCC?
Rosary & other repetitive pagan style prayers?
Sacraments as necessary for salvation?
Worship of the Eucharist?
Salvation includes Muslims? (your Pope says so as do your bizarre Catechism)

[Mrs. Don-o]

(1) Yes

(2) Yes

(3) Yes, and No. "Co-redeemer" is not a Catholic dogma. You might want to refer to Dominus Iesus, the Declaration reiterating the constant teaching of the Church on Jesus' being the unique (only, sole) and universal savior.

(4)Yes, with a kibosh on the word "Roman"

(5) Tendentious question. As for pagan, singing is a "pagan" prayer style; use of musical instruments is a pagan prayer style; in fact, everything in "Judeo-Christian" culture has possible antecedents or congruent practices in previous or contemporary "non-JC" societies, including praying in dedicated buildings; reading from sacred texts; calling God "Father"; fasting and almsgiving; and making offerings of bread and wine.

As for repetitive, you ought to consider a recitation of Psalm 119.

(6) Yes.

(7) Yes.

(8) The Catechism makes no statement on the salvation of Muslims as Muslims, but says that they (like Jews, non-believers, and all the rest of the human race who ae discussed in this section of the Catechism) are "part of the plan of salvation," inasmuch as they are called to repent and believe the Gospel. This section includes with this paragraph:

#848:

"Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."

I used to teach a course called "Reading with Context for Comprehension".

[Roman_War_Criminal]

You know Mrs. Don-O I have a lot of respect for you - I really do. You’ve got your beliefs based on what you believe and so do I.

Difference between you and I is that I go straight to the source for rules, traditions and doctrines. I’ve also been on the other side, so I know quite a lot about being Catholic.

You and I can go back and forth for months over this and we’ll still stick with what we know.

Salvation:

Jesus Alone
Acts 4:11-12
Acts 16:31
John 14:6
John 3:18
John 6:29
1 Timothy 2:5
Romans 3:30
Romans 10:9-10

He is sufficient for Salvation. No building or membership in an organization created by man can change that.

The Roman Catholic Church rejects this. The official position of the Roman Catholic Church is that a person must believe in Jesus Christ AND be baptized AND receive the Eucharist along with the other sacraments AND obey the decrees of the Roman Catholic Church AND perform meritorious works AND not die with any mortal sins AND etc., etc., etc.

Everybody else of every other faith, from history past to future will die in their sins and be tossed into the lake of fire if they reject Him and these verses. It’s a hard truth that must be told.

Some listen, most don’t. It’s their loss eventually.

The RCC has done more damage to the message of Christ through it’s half-paganism and watered down version of salvation than any invading Muslim army could ever do.
Just look at your current pontiff, whom you have defended on various occasions, and what nonsense he’s stating these days with regards to truth, salvation, and tradition. He’s ten thousand steps backwards from Ratzinger and I wasn’t even a fan of Ratzinger.

You will find out one day who is right about all of this. I pray you start reading God’s Word, which was written by God Himself through men, over Catechism’s written by who knows whom.

And with all that said about Catechisms and “Traditions” - I like My Lord & Savior’s Opinion about it:

Mark 7:9
And he said to them, “You have a fine way of a rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!”

So yes, we’ll continue to disagree. Still with that said, I say God Bless and may you find the Truth that is Jesus Christ and Him Alone.

[Mrs. Don-o]

God bless you. Let's meet each other while going straight to the Source.

BTW, the Church was not "created by man," but created by "A" "Man" who is also God. It is Jesus Christ who said "I will build my Church."

I don't have any reason to think you're not in it.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

God Bless!
There’s a lot of confusion out there in Christianity - look at all the denominations out there (and cults) I’m sure you’ll agree. That’s why I said man made organizations.

FWIW He said He would build His Church on the “rock” of Peter’s statement in Matthew 16:16

;)

[Mrs. Don-o]

Amen to everything you said.

Hope you have wonderful Easter. May God bless you abundantly.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Gracias!
God Bless you and your family also! We’ll say to each other on Sunday - He Has Risen, Indeed He has!

[Mercat]

https://youtu.be/sLbkOlRe374

[Mercat]

Also, I see that this thread has deteriorated into a bash on Catholics thread or I guess bash on anyone who isn’t Evangelical. So I thought that this news was relevant:

http://www.pravmir.com/bible-answer-man-hank-hanegraaff-chrismated-eastern-orthodoxy/