Pre-Vatican II [Non Caucus Open thread]

[NRx]

Your Excellency, unfortunately you seemed to have missed the part that disqualifies a thread from caucus designation if it contains criticism of other religious confessions.

[Melian]

It’s my opinion that some lukewarm Catholics are strengthened by reading the Catholic apologetics on open threads. It is good food for thought for them.

However, the animosity from other religions is painful and devisive.

Not sure there is a good answer.

[ADSUM]

The mission of the Church is to lead all to eternal life with God.

How can this be accomplished if only 22-30% if registered Catholic parishioners attend Mass on a regular basis?

I agree that division in the Church is a problem, among many problems and society (the world) seems to encourage this.

From Catholic.com: https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/the-truth-will-make-you-free-0

The fullness of happiness is found in the encounter with Christ, who is the most complete answer to the question that is every human life. Following Christ is the foundation of Christian morality. John Paul wrote, “The decisive answer to every one of man’s questions, his religious and moral questions in particular, is given by Jesus Christ, or rather is Jesus Christ himself” (VS 2). The guide for the Christian life is not a set of rules:

Jesus’ way of acting and his words, his deeds, and his precepts constitute the moral rule of Christian life. Indeed, his actions, and in particular his passion and death on the cross, are the living revelation of his love for the Father and for others. This is exactly the love that Jesus wishes to be imitated by all who follow him. (VS 20)

To love as Jesus loved is to share in the life of Jesus, the life of grace that enables weak human beings to act beyond their limitations. It is not possible for anyone to imitate Christ through his own power.

How do we get there and help others?

[xone]

lol

[Claud]

I don’t get who’s in this Caucus.

Are diocesan and FSSP parishioners in?

[left that other site]

Amen. I counted at least FOUR “other religions” in the article.

[Campion]

Before Vatican II there was no battle in the Western Church ... between Sede Vacantis and those loyal to the Pope

Sure there was. The Church referred to those sedevacantist types as "schismatics".

between SSPX and FSSP

Of course those groups didn't exist prior to Vatican II. But consider the "Old Catholics": they split from Rome after Vatican I.

between CRMI and Independants

(I think you mean CMRI.) Sure there was. The Church referred to those groups as "schismatics" and sometimes "heretics".

Pre-Vatican II those divisions didn't exist.

Of course they did. That's why canon law -- pre Vatican II -- specified the crime of schism and its due punishment.

[ebb tide]

With today being Trinity Sunaday, I noticed the postcommunion prayer:

O Lord, our God, may the receiving of this sacrament and the acknowledging of the holy and eternal Trinity and its undivided Unity profit us unto health of mind and body. Through our Lord Jesus Christ...

To be quite a contradiction to Bergoglio's statement that:

“Inside the Holy Trinity they’re all arguing behind closed doors,” Cuda says Francis told them, “but on the outside they give the picture of unity.”

And we see it weekly in Bergoglio's inane comments that the Holy Ghost, the "god of surprises" has changes in store for us as compared to what Jesus Christ has taught us. Wasn't it Jesus Christ who sent the Holy Ghost to the apostles at Pentecost?

[Trad Bishop]

This is not a Catholic Caucus, nor is this an open forum. It is a pre-Vatican II Caucus. Please read, once again “Pre-Vatican Caucus” and realize that it was instituted for just the purpose that you are asking. We can’t change the past but we can look forward now with life without Catholic haters. Stay off the Catholic Caucus and the open caucus and stay on this one.

[Trad Bishop]

See the section of this posting that describes the regular rules from the Moderator and our proposed changes.

[miss marmelstein]

I assume this has the approval of the owner or his mods? And it doesn’t address my concern about the lurkers here who are always looking to break down the Caucus designation even for something as minor as mentioning Luther in passing.

There is now a Protestant caucus which I’ve never looked at and usually contains only about 4-6 replies, generally. I wouldn’t presume to go on and look for “mistakes” but the anti-Catholics do.

Thanks for doing this!

[Trad Bishop]

Jesus Himself from what the Gospels tell us and from how many were at the foot of His Cross, is one clue. Another clue is that there is somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.5 billion people who call themselves Catholics in the world (many of whom are only nominal Catholics), with a total population of 7.2 billion people, which isn't too far from 22-30%. Both of these statistics would indicate that who does and who doesn't go to church is not the limiting factor. Do you live your life and conduct yourself as a shining light as did Pope St. John Paul II? One of the prime requirements of canonization is to have evidenced, not just virtue, but heroic virtue. Heroic virtue gets plenty of notice, even by the bad guy. Live as Pope St. John Paul II did and love as he did, and you will have done your part. He imitated Christ. He lived by the primitive rule that Jesus, by His Life, gave to mankind. It's not possible to outdo Jesus and still not force anyone's free will. So keep your light where people can see it and your log where people can feel it.

[Trad Bishop]

Please go back and read and reread what we said we were going to do and not do in this Caucus.

[Trad Bishop]

Our intent is to unify in love those who want to imitate Christ. As the psalm says “Lord, if You mark iniquity, who can stand?” If Campion marks iniquity against a fellow sinner, whom Jesus said to forgive, not seven times but seventy times seven times, how can love ever prevail? Say the “Our Father” and note the criteria that is set forth for our forgiveness. No where in that prayer does it say forgive only after you have gotten your pound of flesh/your revenge. In the venue of this new Caucus we hope to create space for love and where they will not accept it, we will create room for prayer. On the internet there’s absolutely no requirement for face to face confrontations. Get over it and move on. As the Moderator has specified.

[ebb tide]

Who exactly are “we”?

[spintreebob]

ince May 29, 2017 Trad: I have some good news for you. I have previously posted how most Catholic churches I attend in both IL and GA are pro-gay, abortion friendly, and preach Obamanomics from the pulpit.

But today the Black Priest at St Joseph in Marietta GA gave a sermon that was a coherent view of Catholic and Christian theology on HEALTH, using the Trinity as the backdrop. It was well thought out. Without mentioning the political debate over healthcare, he totally refuted the leftist secular “scientific” approach to health.

[boatbums]

Hey, Trad, since you are a newbie, how much did you donate to the Free Republic Freepathon to get your very own special “Caucus” which disobeys ALL the caucus rules???

Maybe you should read the Religion Moderator’s profile page for the actual rules before you presume to set up something claiming his/her approval?

[metmom]

Hey, noob, you come on FR, post a thread that mentions other denominations or belief systems, have the nerve to label it as a form of Catholic caucus and the LECTURE the rest of us on proper RF decorum??????

Physician, heal thyself.

And learn the RF guidelines while you’re at it.

Oh, and don’t be a hypocrite and demand that others toe the line that you exempt yourself from.