Posted on 06/18/2017 5:12:06 PM PDT by narses
The ECFs are used and dismissed in the same manner.
The NT is the only set of texts we agree upon.
If you want a better idea of what these texts mean, you have to look for the "mind of the Church," because Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit to guide the Church in all His teachings.
To get the "mind of the Church" a good place to look is the consensus of the Fathers. This is not "every opinion of the Fathers," since they are as fallible as ealgeone or Mrs. Don-o.
But on those points on which they were in substantial agreement, you get a snapshot of how the Holy Spirit was leading the Church.
If not... well, how would YOU go about showing how the Holy Spirit was guiding the Church in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th centuries? Who exemplified the correct way --presumably, the Protestant way--- in those centuries?
I'm interested. List the centuries, and name names.
Luther is either the demon or the hero to Catholics depending on whether he’s exposing their errors or they are using him to persuade Prots that they are right.
And since they are willing to appeal to him whenever it suits them, their criticisms of him lose a lot of credibility.
“Is that so? I haven’t seen one thread posted by him. Could you give me an example?”
Yeah, that’s so and your claim especially cuts into your credibility since you have posted replies TO ealgeone on one of the threads he posted that you now claim you never saw.
Right here on this non-caucus thread he posted that you replied to him on.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3556893/posts?page=504#504
That's not the issue.
The issue is how Catholics vilify and excoriate him out of one side of their mouths and condemn as heretics anyone they perceive to feel they can accuse of following him, and when it suits their purposes, they set him up as an example for us to follow.
THAT is hypocritical and plain as day.
So if the Holy Spirit is guiding the church, then that would mean that He guides the college of cardinals in their selection of the new pope.
Correct?
Thank-you for the correction.
I was not aware you are his social secretary also.
Pope Francis uses the term "Christians" all the time when he's referring to Catholic adherents, and the protestants on here balk about it.
If Christians did not post on Roman Catholic threads, the thread would get zero replies. In fact, the thread could not exist, since the person who created the thread is a Roman Catholic Christian. You can't join the Roman Catholic Church without first accepting basic Christian dogma like Jesus being fully divine and fully man.
I differentiate as it is rare that the Roman Catholic identifies as a Christian.
I've never seen a single Catholic on here complain that "Christians" are posting on Catholic threads. They might complain PROTESTANTS are posting on Catholic threads. Unfortunately for you, Protestants do not represent ALL of Christianity or even close to a majority of Christians worldwide (in fact, I believe there's about 25% of Christians overall.. roughly 400-500 million Christians are estimated to be protestant out of the 1.2 billion Christians estimated worldwide), no matter how much you want to pretend otherwise.
You can pretend otherwise all you want, like liberals pretending that conservatives oppose "reproductive rights" and deny "climate change" happens. No matter how loudly people make that claim, it doesn't mean there is a single conservative who says they against "reproductive rights", or any Republicans who "deny" that "climate change" exists, or any Catholics complaining that "Christians" post on Catholic threads. Your fictional talking points are not reality.
I, for one, would never cite Martin Luther as an example to follow. He raised some good points and had some correct theological beliefs, but overall he was a vicious and bitter anti-Semitic monk who went rogue and preached a lot of heretical ideas.
There are many Catholics who had similar views on Mary as Luther, and would be much better role models to follow, IMO.
I do notice, however, that Lutherans and many protestants who AREN'T Lutherans set him up as an example to follow. It's curious then why ignore so many of his beliefs. They seem to only follow him when it comes to a handful of his teachings.
Ealgeone claims he’s neither a a Caholilc, nor a a Protestant.
I reckon he may be a a martian.
Understanding justification is far more important.
1Ki_8:46 "If they sin against you—for there is no one who does not sin...
Solomon understood and he was pretty smart.
Every Roman Catholic identifies as Christian. Catholics do not call themselves “Catholic Christrians” because it is redundant and unnecessary. Ignoring that fact does not make it go away.
It is rare that the anti-Catholic identifies a Catholic as Christian.
Love,
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I’ve yet to see Roman Catholics consistently identify as Christians. They identify more with a denomination and Mary.
I see your reading comprehension is very limited and on about a 5th grade level.
How would you recognize a Protestant and a Roman Catholic in a crowd? Perhaps you'd like it if non Catholics wore special clothing or an marker of some type?
I have no doubt y'all would love to have the Inquisition continue today.
Amazing how quick you can find a picture but can’t explain the armor of God. Try Ephesians 6.
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