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Baptist Theologian: Fr. Martin's Ideas 'Require a Total Redefinition of Doctrine'
Catholic News Agency ^ | Adelaide Mena

Posted on 10/01/2017 4:58:16 PM PDT by marshmallow

Washington D.C., Sep 28, 2017 / 05:47 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- A Baptist theologian, Dr. Albert Mohler, has claimed that Fr. James Martin’s teaching on sexuality is “an entire re-orientation of the Catholic faith.”

Mohler’s comments refer to Martin’s suggestion that Catholics should refer to same sex attraction or an LGBT identity as “differently ordered” rather than the Catechism’s use of “intrinsically disordered.” Mohler says the suggestion fundamentally changes Catholic teaching on sexuality, and on creation itself.

In comments to CNA, Martin rebuffed Mohler's comments, calling them “obtuse,” and stating that those who identify as LGBT, or those who are not educated in philosophy or theology, could easily perceive the Church’s language to be “cruel.”

“So my point is simply that we have to be sensitive to the language we use. We can't pretend that language like that isn't harmful,” Martin told CNA.

Martin has drawn criticism after the publication of his most recent book, Building A Bridge, which addresses the Church’s engagement with those who identify as LGBT. Most notably, he has been critiqued for the book’s avoidance of Catholic teaching on celibacy and chastity, and for the book’s lack of engagement with Catholics who identify as LGBT, but observe the moral teachings of the Catholic Church. In August, Martin announced on Facebook that he intends to respond to these critiques in a revised edition of the book.

Martin’s comments came in response to a podcast by Mohler, who is president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.

On the Sept. 19 edition of his podcast, “The Briefing,” Mohler points to a passage in Martin’s book, which suggests replacing the theological term “disordered” with the phrase “differently ordered.”

“If you say that LGBT sexual orientation is merely differently ordered, you have actually not only changed the catechism in this specific case.....

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1 posted on 10/01/2017 4:58:16 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

He’s no Malachi Martin.


2 posted on 10/01/2017 5:09:35 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: marshmallow
Amazing --- yet not totally surprising --- that Baptist theologian Albert Mohler understands Catholic doctrine better than Jesuit James Martin.

James Martin buys into the "identity" lie when he says that the language of the Catholic Catechism cruelly teaches that LGBT people are "totally sinful."

It's the sleight-of-hand which confuses sodomitic acts (which are sinful) with "LGBT people" (who may or may not be sinful, depending on whether they are committing and affirming sinful behavior.)

This retrofitting of perverse sex as an identity (LGBT) instead of a behavior, leads to all kinds of confusion and hurt.

Mohler gets it.

He also gets that redefining the language deconstructs, not just truths about sexual virtue, but all morality and all theology right down to what is the Divine will and what it is to be human.

What a good Catholic this Baptist would be. Come on over, Dr. Mohler!

3 posted on 10/01/2017 5:31:32 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: marshmallow

It takes the “heterodox” to teach orthodoxy to the Jesuit who is supposedly orthodox.

There is a dead Francis in heaven who took the gospel to China and Japan, who is crying over the live Francis who watches over the destruction of his church. There will always be Jesus’s church, but it is becoming less and less Francis’ church.


4 posted on 10/01/2017 6:02:26 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: marshmallow
A Baptist theologian, Dr. Albert Mohler, has claimed that Fr. James Martin’s teaching on sexuality is “an entire re-orientation of the Catholic faith.”

A better characterization would be "demented rantings of a depraved lunatic".

Ann Barnhardt's got a novena going for the salvation of Fr. Martin's soul.

5 posted on 10/01/2017 6:09:23 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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