Posted on 04/10/2018 10:16:14 AM PDT by dangus
Not infrequently, contrary to the promptings of the Spirit, the life of the Church can become a museum piece or the possession of a select few. This can occur when some groups of Christians give excessive importance to certain rules, customs or ways of acting. The Gospel then tends to be reduced and constricted, deprived of its simplicity, allure and savour.
That pretty well describes the “Spirit of Vatican II” crowd, as well as some others.
From the “broken clock is right twice a day” file...
But a clock that is still running but running either slow or fast is accurate far less often.
I wouldn’t have expected someone with your screen name to show up on this thread—but upon reflection, it’s not caucus, so why not.
Hmm...from 57 forward, he seems to undermine his own focus on Global Warming and enforcement of sovereign borders.
He could have said a word or two about being shallow and pedantic.
He could have said a word or two about being shallow and pedantic.
There are many things he could have said. I’m just glad he said whatever he said in a dense mass of words which should be impenetrable to most and in a way that seems to be largely devoid of stupid sound bites. Not quite as good as saying nothing, but all things considered, it could have been much worse. And there are probably some good things in there too if anyone cares to look.
Well it’s obviously sinful to play with your “Pelaginia”. It’s mostly because you are thinking dirty thoughts though.
WTH, I swear I’d need a -way- better attorney before I could ever be a catholic. Their theology reads like a brief in a securities fraud case.
That's setting the bar high.
I fully intend to in May, but as a theology professor I really should. Dense mountains of prose are easier to produce than pithy succinct documents, but why anyone should think that they are readable I have no idea. Where is Pius XI when you need him? (about five feet behind me to the left, fourth shelf up).
IN all honesty, papal encyclicals are expected to largely be read by bishops.
Actually, I was seeking to attract Calvinists for a discussion about grace alone; pelagianism has been in years past a YUGE topic in Calvinist threads, but there was a false notion that this was a point of departure between Calvinism and Catholic theology.
I think you’re making fun of my typo spelling of Pelagianism, but in case you’re not, or there are lurkers out there, Pelagius was British heretic who allegedly denied that without divine intervention, humans are capable of attaining or possessing sanctity.
St. Augustine of Hippo famously corrected his errors, in doing so formulated the doctrine of original sin and the necessity of a unique act of salvation for each man. Semipelagianism is the notion that people HELP God help them through their own will.
The Catholic rejection of sola fides (”faith alone”) was misreported among Lutherans and subsequent groups of Protestants as Pelagianism. In reality, the Catholic Church’s position was that faith, itself, was a grace unobtainable without divine intervention.
Pope Francis’ comments, here, are a refreshing assertion that he upholds this doctrine, and that it has not been lost amidst ecumenism, interfaith outreach, and Francis’ own praise of certain characteristics of certain atheists.
Actually, I was seeking to attract Calvinists for a discussion about grace alone; pelagianism has been in years past a YUGE topic in Calvinist threads, but there was a false notion that this was a point of departure between Calvinism and Catholic theology.
Have fun.
Pope would be wise to be silent for awhile. ..he’s not exactly credible at this point.
The Celtic church said, Pelegius was wrong, but his offense was not a capital crime.
The “shallow and pedantic” bit was actually a joke. From Family Guy.
Missed that one entirely. I’d be sure to include a /sarc tag on anything to do with Pope Francis, as even if he wouldn’t do or say absolutely everything, someone in good faith might repeat just about anything. The world is a very strange place.
Women are God’s strawberries. Some Church secretaries are servants of the devil.
Nice tag line.
God never made Scripture that complicated.
If the average person can’t understand it, what good is it?
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