Posted on 05/09/2018 3:36:10 PM PDT by ebb tide
I was responding to post #5, "Our Lord is addressing priests at that point."Are we all part of the Royal Priesthood, as Scripture says?
I know reverence for the Sacred Species. I pray that one day you may also know it.
No, you are consistently wrong. EEM's is a ridiculous concept. As are Altar girls.
Got it. You know better than Scripture.
I am not a priest, nor a "pretend" priest.
So what does Scripture mean when it says, "Take and eat" ??? And prove your point using Scripture. Not just your opinion.
Sorry, I thought you said you were Catholic.
The Greek in Matthew 26:26 is “take (labete) and eat”. And it’s the same verb in John 20:22: “receive (labete) ye the Holy Ghost”.
“Take ye the Holy Ghost”? Sounds a little weird. Best if we say both “take” and “receive” are possible translations for this word.
Funny. But you are denying Scripture. You are manipulating the words of Scripture to have the clear words "Take and eat" to mean "Open your mouth and let me insert" You deny you are part of the Royal Priesthood.
Take and eat, and Royal Priesthood are just as real as "This is My Body"
I don't understand why you deny the clear words of Scripture.
Interesting point. That's Greek to me, so I will need to do a bit of research on this. Thanks for sharing. I wish I studied Greek in High School instead of Latin and French!
You are manipulating the words of Scripture to have the clear words "Take and eat" to mean "Open your mouth and let me insert"
I said no such thing.
You deny you are part of the Royal Priesthood.
I have denied no such thing.
Please stop with the false accusations.
I am a Catholic. Give it a rest.
One can also take by mouth. To take does not require that I take something in may hands. It is the receiving that is important, not the touching.
Very true. But how do you "break bread" without touching?
Acts 20:7 "On the first day of the week we came together to break bread."
Once again, they were priests.
Do you you break bread? Priests do, but I’ve never seen a layman do it at Holy Communion.
The true story is that John Paul never wanted or agreed with female altar servers. Underhanded deceit by Cardinal Sodano is what promulgated it. I believe you will no longer find a source for these facts online.
Jesus also told us to become as little children. Little children do, indeed, have food put into their mouths by their father. And since priests are our spiritual fathers, and the Eucharist is spiritual food, and we are supposed to be spiritually as children, one could just as easily accuse you of refusing to follow Christs command, and thinking he knows better than scripture, perhaps even moreso.
So who are you to say that my interpretation of scripture is inferior to yours? That’s why we Catholics follow the magisterium and Tradition for the authentic interpretation, and not our own.
As for me, once I realized where so many of the practices of the last 50 years has brought us, I chose to return to the wisdom and practice of the preceding 20 centuries.
You're being obtuse. You just changed the verb from "take" to "receive". What argument are you trying to make?
Only ordained priests and bishops "take" the Eucharist. The rest of us "receive" it, properly from the hands of an ordained cleric. (No, I don't approve of EMHC's. Sorry.)
Even if you practice "communion in the hand," it is NOT licit for you to walk up to the minister and grab a Host out of the ciborium. The minister gives it you, and you *receive* it.
As Claud points out, the distinction you're trying to make between "take" and "receive" may not even exist in the Greek.
The only evidence in favor of communion in the hand that I know of is a couple of patristic quotations. It may be that communion in the hand was common practice in the West 1500 years ago. Maybe we've learned some things since then about what's reverent and what protects the Eucharist from sacrilege.
Communion-in-the-hand has *never* been the practice in the East, where you receive the Body and Blood on a spoon which is placed in your mouth *by the priest*.
Trying to argue that Scripture requires it is just completely wrong.
You were not personally present at the Last Supper, and it's bad exegesis to assume the his command applies directly and without elaboration to you personally. That's my point.
The fact that any Catholics get hung-up over this sort of thing when tens of thousands of babies are being slaughtered in the womb every day (and politicians who vote for that are served Communion in the hand, mouth or whatever) is both sad and laughable.
Priorities, people.
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