Posted on 08/14/2018 4:06:04 PM PDT by marshmallow
The Greek is clear on this isn’t it!
This bunch are NOT going to like 'judgment' day. God keeps the perfect record and there was a time under God's law, these perverts were stoned.
What I said isn't limited to doctrine, and besides, the "Seal of the Confessional" is not doctrine either --- it's a sacramental discipline --- so it's not a category mistake.
But YES! There's so much in Catholicism that's not explicit and fully developed in Scripture, I'd tire myself as a writer, and you as a reader, if I were to merely catalogue it all. And I'm talking about custom and canon, doctrine and discipline, even Moral Law as sourced by both Natural Law and Scripture, since God is the Author of both Nature and Scripture.
Our God is so splendid, aMPU, He fills the Universe but the Universe cannot contain Him. He is the Maker and Sovereign King of all things, and expresses Himself in everything He has created. He is author of the Bible in a unique, authoritative and privileged way, but He is not confined to the print edition.
"The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament proclaims his handiwork. Day pours out the word to day, and night to night imparts knowledge."Hey, aMPU my dear, there's also no Biblical basis for praying in English (why not rely on "speaking in tongues" like in Acts?) , wearing cotton-polyester blends (I thought mixing fibers is an OT no-no?), treating bipolar mental illness with prescription drugs (why not exorcism-for-all?), voting for public officials (why not "render unto Caesar"?) God established government in Israel, so why do we Americans written constitution?
Why are we viewing human remains in Funeral Homes or surrounding them with floral arrangements (that's not Biblical!), burying deceased people (without preparing them with spices and myrrh) in consecrated ground (that's not Biblical!), putting flowers on gravesites (that's not Biblical!), calling days of the week after PAGAN gods (Sun's day, Moon's day, Tewa's day, Woden's day, Thor's day, Freya's day, Saturn's day)? Holy Hannah, that's not Biblical.
Why are our church youth groups and church-schools organizing athletics of any sort (Baptist Kids Baseball?) praying in football huddles (is that in the Playbook or in the Book of Acts?) --- actually, organized athletics is explicitly referenced in the OT as being rooted in the stadium games of the Romans and the gymnasiums of Hellenic paganism. So, praying in the huddle? Syncretism!
Why are we writing musical notation (they didn't do that in the Book of Psalms), or for that matter, using vowels, capitalization and punctuation? We've cluttered up the Sacred Texts with additions! Is that authorized, adding to Scripture? We even added the names "Matthew, Mark, Luke and John" --- those gospels are not signed in the text. Is making those text additions, Biblical??
Why do we have church weddings (does the Bible tell you to do that?) Where does the Bible mention wedding rings? Or --- come to think of it --- where does it de-authorize patriarchal polygamy, and insist upon monogamy? God is the Author of Marriage after all, and if having four baby-mamas was OK for Abraham, where does it say that's not OK for us?
Oh, heck. If "no Biblical basis" was a conclusive argument, might as well fold up and move back to the Middle East, since there's no Biblical Basis for living in the Western Hemisphere....
Good evening to you. God bless you. Bedtime for Boadicea!
They do not.
They hold up Scripture, but not Scripture Alone. "Scripture ALONE" is un-Scriptural.
That has to be the biggest collection of confusion, unrelated to whether God wrote it or an Apostle taught it, I’ve ever seen you post.
Again, repleat with category mistakes that cloud the simplicity that is in Christ.
“Scripture ALONE” is un-Scriptural.
Sola Scriptura is not “scripture alone.”
But by not adhering to Scripture as the source of truth Rome is confronted with an ever changing "tradition".....much as is evidenced by the current problems in Rome.
It is clear from history that Rome's traditions have changed....often contradicting previous traditions. But the average Roman Catholic is either oblivious to this or just does not care.
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SCRIPTURE DOES NOT CHANGE......Roman Catholic "tradition" has, does and will change.
The best solution is for dioceses to poll their congregants that if they want to confess over serious matters that the government might want to coerce out of their confessor, just those confessions would be reserved for visiting clergy with diplomatic immunity issued by the Vatican.
That is, a clergyman-diplomat would show up, travel between dioceses, hear many confessions then leave the country.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
God promises to forgive if confessed.
No need for a middleman.
No mention of retaining sins.
No mention of sacraments,
No mention of penance.
We confess.
God forgives.
It's that simple.
Catholicism has made getting and staying saved WAY too complicated.
God didn't.
Show us where the procedures Catholicism has established for confession and forgiveness have been set forth in Scripture, like the need for the confessional, the formula the priest recites to forgive the sin, the criteria for establishing penance, etc.
All I see in Scripture about confession besides 1 John 1:9 is this.....
Luke 18:9-14 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’
But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
That tax collector didn't follow any of the usual Catholic procedures and yet JESUS declared him justified.
Neither is *Sacred Tradition*.
So now you have nothing left to stand on but your church pulling itself up by it's bootstraps and establishing its own authority just because it says so.
2 Timothy 3:14-17 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
Catholicism says that Scripture is NOT adequate.
Who am I going to believe?
God?
Or Roman Catholicism, that homosexual priest, kid molesting, pedo protecting old boys club?
Which is NOT found anywhere in Scripture.
It’s a complete fabrication by Catholicism to sound oh, so spiritual, and yet is meaningless and powerless to do anything.
Sure thing...we'll get right on that. As soon as you show us where it is set forth in Scripture that everything anybody needs to know about Christianity is contained in a collection of books written many years after the principle Character left this earth by authors who were not even eye-witnesses to the events they are writing about.
In other words, where in Scripture is the instruction from Jesus Christ to his disciples to go and write down what was witnessed and put those writings into a collection which will be used as the sole guideline for salvation. Oh, and by the way, only those people who have access to these writings can take advantage of their instruction. I guess the unfortunate souls who couldn't afford an expensive, hand-written tome (all those living before the invention of the printing press) were just out of luck, huh?
The Sacrament of Penance is found in the Bible.
Christ breathed on the apostles and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit, whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them, whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.
I’m sure that is in your Bible.
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Now if only the catholics would figure it out.
That’s not penance.
Isn’t it amazing how former Catholics like proof from the Bible (Sola Scripture). then don’t accept or believe the words of Jesus, such as The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist and Confession and that Jesus delegated the power to bind and loose.
And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. 19l I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven.* Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Scripture was not written *many years* after the facts. It was generally written by eyewitnesses of what happened. John's gospel is just one example. the other books were written by those as they happened.
If you're going to start a debate, at least start with the right premise.
Also, John says in his book that everything one needs to know to come to eternal life can be found in his gospel alone.
John 20:30-31 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
In other words, where in Scripture is the instruction from Jesus Christ to his disciples to go and write down what was witnessed and put those writings into a collection which will be used as the sole guideline for salvation
If that was not commanded by Jesus so that Catholics criticize it, then why did THEY (as they claim) write the things down?
Oh, and by the way, only those people who have access to these writings can take advantage of their instruction. I guess the unfortunate souls who couldn't afford an expensive, hand-written tome (all those living before the invention of the printing press) were just out of luck, huh?
Wrong.
Colossians 4:15-16 Give my greetings to the brothers at Laodicea, and to Nympha and the church in her house. And when this letter has been read among you, have it also read in the church of the Laodiceans; and see that you also read the letter from Laodicea.
Besides, those who depend on Scripture are commended by the Holy Spirit through Luke.
Acts 17:2-3 And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.”
Acts 17:11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.
And Jesus certainly had a much higher opinion of Scripture than Catholics do.
John 10:35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be broken
Mark 12:24 Jesus said to them, “Is this not the reason you are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God?
Luke 24:25-27 And he said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?” And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luke 24:32 They said to each other, “Did not our hearts burn within us while he talked to us on the road, while he opened to us the Scriptures?”
Luke 24:44-49 Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”
2 Timothy 3:14-17 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
God tells us Scripture contains everything we need to know to be complete and mature, ready for every good work.
Catholicism tells us it doesn't.
I'm not going to be the one to call GOD the liar.
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