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[Catholic/Orthodox Caucus] How Often Did Francis Mention Communism? Not Once
Gloria TV ^ | June 2, 2019 | Gloria TV

Posted on 06/02/2019 3:42:09 PM PDT by ebb tide

How Often Did Francis Mention Communism? Not Once

During his final day in Romania, Pope Francis beatified in Blaj seven Greek-Catholic bishops (picture) murdered by the Romanian Communists (1947-1989).

Marco Tosatti noticed that during the liturgy Francis succeeded in pronouncing the word “Communism” not even once.

According to Francis the seven gave their lives to oppose an "illiberal ideological system."

In reality they died because they resisted Communist plans to integrate the Greek Catholic Church into the Orthodox.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: antipope; communism; communist; communistfront; fakereligion; francischurch; fraud; homosexualagenda; jeremiahwright; kgb; kgbputin; liberationtheology; obama; patriarchkirill; popefrancis; romancatholicism; russia; russianorthodox
According to Francis the seven gave their lives to oppose an "illiberal ideological system."

Bergoglio has never uttered a negative word about Communists or communism.

He has given several compliments about both, however:

“It it has been said many times and my response has always been that, if anything, it is the communists who think like Christians.

Pope Francis says communists are really 'closet Christians'

1 posted on 06/02/2019 3:42:10 PM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 06/02/2019 3:46:41 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

I’m surprised he didn’t compliment the Nazis for “God is with us” on their belt buckles...


3 posted on 06/02/2019 3:47:27 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: ebb tide

That’s right. To Francis, Communism is Godly and Capitalism is evil. I’ll be so glad when he’s gone.


4 posted on 06/02/2019 3:51:08 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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Pope Francis: ‘Liberation Theology Was Good for Latin America’

by Thomas D. Williams, Ph.D.
Jan 27, 2017

In a controversial interview, Pope Francis has publicly defended Liberation Theology, calling it a “positive thing” in Latin America.

In his lengthy interview last week with the leftist Spanish daily El País, the Pope said that “Liberation Theology was a good thing for Latin America,” but also recognized that it had “deviations” that needed to be corrected.

The part of Liberation Theology that “opted for a Marxist analysis of reality was condemned by the Vatican,” Francis said.

“Cardinal Ratzinger issued two instructions when he was Prefect of the Doctrine of the Faith,” he continued. “One very clear one about the Marxist analysis of reality, and the second picked up positive aspects.”

“Liberation Theology had positive aspects and also had deviations, especially in the part of the Marxist analysis of reality,” he said.

The two Vatican documents cited by the pontiff were Libertatis Nuntius, issued in 1984, and Libertatis Conscientia, released just two years later, in 1986.

Libertatis Nuntius addressed “developments of that current of thought which, under the name ‘theology of liberation,’ proposes a novel interpretation of both the content of faith and of Christian existence which seriously departs from the faith of the Church and, in fact, actually constitutes a practical negation.”

“Concepts uncritically borrowed from Marxist ideology and recourse to theses of a biblical hermeneutic marked by rationalism are at the basis of the new interpretation which is corrupting whatever was authentic in the generous initial commitment on behalf of the poor,” the instruction continues.

The document also noted that in “certain parts of Latin America,” the recognition of injustice “is accompanied by a pathos which borrows its language from Marxism, wrongly presented as though it were scientific language.”

The letter also said that certain Christians, despairing of every other method, turned to a Marxist analysis, “especially in Latin America.”

The 1986 text was issued as a complement to the first one, and sought to “highlight the main elements of the Christian doctrine on freedom and liberation” as a corrective to the errors of Liberation Theology brought out by the prior instruction.

In a striking revelation in 2015, the highest ranking Cold War defector asserted that the KGB had created Liberation Theology, exporting it to Latin America as a means of introducing Marxism into the continent.

Ion Mihai Pacepa, a 3-star general and former head of Communist Romania’s secret police who defected to the United States in 1978, has been called “the Cold War’s most important defector.” During the more than ten years that Pacepa worked with the CIA, he made what the agency described as “an important and unique contribution to the United States.”

He is reported in fact to have given the CIA “the best intelligence ever obtained on communist intelligence networks and internal security services.”

“Liberation theology has been generally understood to be a marriage of Marxism and Christianity. What has not been understood is that it was not the product of Christians who pursued Communism, but of Communists who pursued Christians,” Pacepa said.

In his role as doctrinal watchdog, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger referred to Liberation Theology as a “singular heresy” and a “fundamental threat” to the Church.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/01/27/pope-francis-liberation-theology-good-latin-america/
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Liberation Theology Activist: Pope Francis Is One of Us

by Stefan Farrar
December 27, 2016

BERLIN (ChurchMilitant.com) - The main figurehead of liberation theology in the 1980s is praising Pope Francis, and criticizing the signatories of the recently sent dubia.

Leonardo Boff, a main proponent for liberation theology in Brazil throughout his life, gave an interview to the German newspaper Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger in Berlin, which was published on Christmas.

Boff entered the Franciscan order in 1959 and was ordained a Catholic priest in 1964, where he became a controversial figure with his prominent advocacy of left-wing causes. During his priesthood, he became a vocal critic of capitalism and a strong proponent of liberation theology.

Liberation theology is a religious movement that offers a Marxist understanding of poverty and oppression, and which had its start in South America in the 1960s. One KGB defector who later converted to Catholicism claimed it was a movement created by the KGB and spread by willing South American bishops. ...”

Lots more at link...

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/liberation-theology-activist-pope-francis-is-one-of-us

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Obama's Church: Gospel of Hate

Kathy Shaidle, FrontPageMag.com
Monday, April 07, 2008

In March of 2007, FOX News host Sean Hannity had engaged Obama's pastor in a heated interview about his Church's teachings. For many viewers, the ensuing shouting match was their first exposure to "Black Liberation Theology"...

Like the pro-communist Liberation Theology that swept Central America in the 1980s and was repeatedly condemned by Pope John Paul II, Black Liberation Theology combines warmed-over 1960s vintage Marxism with carefully distorted biblical passages. However, in contrast to traditional Marxism, it emphasizes race rather than class. The Christian notion of "salvation" in the afterlife is superseded by "liberation" on earth, courtesy of the establishment of a socialist utopia.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090321190904/http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=30CD9E14-B0C9-4F8C-A0A6-A896F0F44F02

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From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
Profile:

LIBERATION THEOLOGY

“...liberation theology’s real creator was the Soviet Union’s foreign intelligence and domestic security agency, the KGB.

Patriarch Kirill, who today heads Russian Orthodox Church, secretly worked for the KGB under the code name “Mikhailov” and spent some 40 years promoting liberation theology.

Ion Mihai Pacepa, the highest-ranking Soviet-bloc official ever to defect to the West, writes: “Liberation theology has been generally understood to be a marriage of Marxism and Christianity.

What has not been understood is that it was not the product of Christians who pursued Communism, but of Communists who pursued Christians....

Its genesis was part of a highly classified Party/State Disinformation Program, formally approved in 1960 by KGB chairman Aleksandr Shelepin and Politburo member Aleksei Kirichenko, then the second in the party hierarchy after Nikita Khrushchev.”

Adds Pacepa: “In 1971, the KGB sent Kirill — who had just been elevated to the rank of archimandrite — to Geneva as emissary of the Russian Orthodox Church to the World Council of Churches.... Kirill/Mikhailov’s main task was to involve the WCC in spreading the new liberation theology throughout Latin America.

In 1975, the KGB was able to infiltrate Kirill into the Central Committee of the WCC — a position he held until he was “elected” patriarch of Russia, in 2009.

Not long after he joined the Central Committee, Kirill reported to the KGB: ‘Now the agenda of the WCC [World Council of Churches] is also our agenda.’”

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=2990
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August, 2006

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North Korea Builds an Orthodox Church

The first-ever Russian Orthodox church will open in Pyongyang, North Korea this weekend.

It’s an odd project considering that freedom of religion exists almost exclusively on paper in the closed communist country.

North Korean dictator Kim Jong-Il is supposed to be a communist atheist.

So why has he made promoting the Russia Orthodox Church his latest pet project?

On August 13, the country’s first Orthodox church is to be opened in the capital city of Pyongyang.

Russian Metropolitan Bishop Kyrill, second in command within the Church after the Patriarch, will travel to Pyongyang to christen the new house of worship. ...”

http://www.spiegel.de/international/kim-jong-il-and-religion-north-korea-builds-an-orthodox-church-a-431310.htm

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The Russian Orthodox Church is a member of the (communist) World Council of Churches

https://www.oikoumene.org/en/member-churches/russian-orthodox-church
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From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
Profile: WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES (WCC)


5 posted on 06/02/2019 4:02:54 PM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! Newly updated FR Page w/ Table of Contents! Click ETL)
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To: ebb tide

This quote must be on the order of “some people did something”.


6 posted on 06/02/2019 4:05:19 PM PDT by malach (We live in interesting times.)
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That traitorous thing, Bergoglio, is an anti-Catholic, anti-Christian, anti-Western Islamocommunist monster that craves to obliterate Western Civilization and replace it with the most hideous mass-murdering totalitarianism imaginable.


7 posted on 06/02/2019 4:24:31 PM PDT by libstripper (q)
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From the Russian Orthodox Church's website...

WCC welcomes meeting of Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill for unity and peace

12 February 2016

Rev. Dr Olav Fykse Tveit, general secretary of the World Council of Churches (WCC), has issued a statement on behalf of the Council hailing the historic meeting of Pope Francis, pontiff of the Roman Catholic Church, and Patriarch Kirill, primate of the Russian Orthodox Church.

The two leaders met on 12 February in Havana, Cuba.

The Russian Orthodox Church is the largest member church in the WCC..."

https://www.oikoumene.org/en/press-centre/news/wcc-welcomes-meeting-of-pope-francis-and-patriarch-kirill

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Catch that? "The Russian Orthodox Church is the largest member of the World Council of Churches"! (WCC)

That is all you need to know to understand that it is a sham operation. Reverend Wright’s fake church United Church of Christ (UCC) is also a member. In fact, his (communist) “Liberation Theology” was concocted by the KGB.

The Russians must laugh their butts off at how easily westerners can be tricked and deceived.

The Russian Orthodox Church is a member of the (communist) World Council of Churches:
https://www.oikoumene.org/en/member-churches/russian-orthodox-church

8 posted on 06/02/2019 4:33:46 PM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! Newly updated FR Page w/ Table of Contents! Click ETL)
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To: malach

That’s what I was thinking.


9 posted on 06/02/2019 6:20:05 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Same with me.


10 posted on 06/02/2019 6:45:07 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: libstripper

And thankfully it is backfiring with the recent elections in Europe and before that with the rise of PDJT in the USA.


11 posted on 06/02/2019 6:47:55 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: ETL

But be careful to not badmouth the rank-and-file Orthodox Christians.


12 posted on 06/02/2019 6:49:40 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Biggirl
But be careful to not badmouth the rank-and-file Orthodox Christians.

To be honest, I know very little about them, nor any other religion for that matter. Just pointing out the fact that the Russian Orthodox Church is a fraud and not to be trusted. They with the KGB were the ones that concocted communist Liberation Theology.

Obama's and Wright's Black Liberation Theology is a variant of it. Both are heavily rooted in communist ideology, which they push through a variety of fake church movements. The so-called "Nation of Islam" is another such fake, communist front religion.

13 posted on 06/02/2019 7:03:03 PM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! Newly updated FR Page w/ Table of Contents! Click ETL)
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To: Biggirl

We have a wonderful, vibrant Russian Orthodox church in my western rural community — lots of kids and younger people — and I am even planning to attend on Sundays when no Latin Mass is offered (but, of course, will not receive Holy Communion).


14 posted on 06/02/2019 7:09:25 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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Bergoglio and the Communism (What is it from the Visit in Romanis)
15 posted on 06/02/2019 7:11:44 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: steve86
We have a wonderful, vibrant Russian Orthodox church in my western rural community — lots of kids and younger people — and I am even planning to attend on Sundays when no Latin Mass is offered

Christians in Russia Refuse to Stop Sharing the Gospel Despite Putin’s Ban on Evangelism

By Stoyan Zaimov , Christian Post Reporter
Aug 3, 2016 | 1:32 PM

Christians in Russia have said they are determined to preach the Gospel and fulfill the Great Commission despite tough new laws signed by President Vladimir Putin that ban evangelism outside of churches. ...”

http://www.christianpost.com/news/christians-russia-refuse-stop-sharing-the-gospel-despite-putins-ban-evangelism-167442/
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July 2016...

FAITH UNDER FIRE

Russia puts lid on Christians sharing faith

Will require any sharing ... even a casual conversation, to have prior authorization from state

http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/russia-puts-lid-on-christians-sharing-faith/#34c1Fo2QT9xudcrR.99
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July 2016...

“Activities as diverse as holding prayer meetings in homes, posting worship times on a religious community’s website, and giving a lecture on yoga have all been interpreted by police and prosecutors as “missionary activity”, thanks to the broad definition now enshrined in the Religion Law.

Despite a clear predominance of prosecutions brought against those who see their faith as requiring them to publicly share their beliefs, such as Protestants and Jehovah’s Witnesses, people from at least 15 different religious traditions have faced charges.” ..."

On 6 July 2016, President Vladimir Putin signed amendments to the Religion Law imposing harsh restrictions on the sharing of beliefs, including on where and by whom they may be shared. ..."

http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2305

16 posted on 06/02/2019 7:23:04 PM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! Newly updated FR Page w/ Table of Contents! Click ETL)
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To: ETL

“Russian Orthodox Church is a fraud and not to be trusted. They with the KGB were the ones that concocted communist Liberation Theology.”

I want to congratulate you for posting the most wicked lie I have ever seen posted to FR, you are completely divorced from reality.
God help the people who buy into the misinformation you pump out on here


17 posted on 06/02/2019 11:44:42 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos
Re: “Russian Orthodox Church is a fraud and not to be trusted. They with the KGB were the ones that concocted communist Liberation Theology.”

I want to congratulate you for posting the most wicked lie I have ever seen posted to FR, you are completely divorced from reality.

What a Putin-loving fraud YOU are.

Here you go, you Putin propaganda fake, "Mount Athos", just for you!...


Visit to Rossikon – the St Panteleimon Monastery on Mount Athos. With Patriarch Kirill...

Putin on mount Athos sat on the throne of the Byzantine emperors

Last News from Russia ^ | May 29, 2016 | RU Admin

Russian President Vladimir Putin during a visit to the Church of the Dormition of the Theotokos on mount Athos sat in the chair, which previously could only occupy the Byzantine emperors.

Putin said about the need to “strengthen the spiritual power of all the Orthodox” and declared the Greek mountain “a source of well-being and grace” for the Russian Orthodox world.

Putin visited Athos, having participated in events in honor of the 1000th anniversary of the appearance of Russian monks on the Holy mountain.

On the website of the Kremlin promptly a photo gallery, and Greek TV covered the trip live.

As notes “Ribbon.”, thanks to the spiritual life of the head of state was put on public display, which usually happens.

Putin on mount Athos visited the Church of the assumption of the blessed virgin, where was celebrated a short prayer service, during which was prayed with supplication for the health, life and mercy the servant of God of Vladimir with the family and those around him, reports TASS.

After this welcome address said the Holy mountain protopectin father Paul.

In response, Putin thanked the Ecumenical Patriarch and the primates of the Greek Orthodox Church for what they do to maintain relations with the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian people.

“I’m here for the second time and always feel a special warmth, kindness and the best attitude not only to me, as the head of the Russian state and the Russian people, the people as a whole”, – said the President of Russia.

He also noted that on the Holy mountain is very important and very necessary for the Orthodox world an act” associated with the strengthening of the moral foundations of society: “To a large extent you are the source of well-being and grace”.

The President noted that Russia and Athos have long had a close religious bond, the Athonite tradition played a significant role in the life of the Russian people, and in our days the interest of Russia to mount Athos continues unabated, and more recently with the active participation of the Russian Orthodox Church and philanthropists there is a restoration of historical sites associated with the Russian presence on the Holy Mountain.

http://katehon.com/news/president-vladimir-putin-arrives-karyes-athos

18 posted on 06/03/2019 4:13:14 AM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! Newly updated FR Page w/ Table of Contents! Click ETL)
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Vladimir Putin’s Adviser Tells Americans: ‘Russia Interferes in Your Brains, We Change Your Conscience’

Cristina Maza (Newsweek)
Feb 12, 2019

Americans who worry about Russia election interference should stop focusing on such trivialities and instead realize that the idea that they have a choice over how they are governed is a mere illusion, Vladislav Surkov, an adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin, wrote in an op-ed published this week.

“The illusion of choice is the most important illusion, the main trick of Western democracy especially….

The rejection of this illusion in favor of the reality that everything is predestined will allow society to reflect first on our vision of democratic development,” Surkov wrote.

“Foreign politicians talk about Russia’s interference in elections and referendums around the world.

In fact, the matter is even more serious: Russia interferes in your brains, we change your conscience, and there is nothing you can do about it.”

Election interference is not the main thing Americans should be worried about, said an adviser to the Russian president.

In his op-ed for the Russian publication Nezavisimaya Gazeta, or “Independent Newspaper,” Surkov also laid out Putin’s vision of returning Russia to its rightful role as a global superpower and exporting “Putinism” as an ideology to be adopted around the world.

“After having fallen from the USSR to the Russian Federation, Russia stopped collapsing and began to recover and return to its natural and only possible state as a large nation that is on the rise,” he wrote.

“The great role assigned to our country in the history of the world does not allow us to leave the stage or keep silent among the crowd….

It does not promise peace….

Putin’s great political machine is only gaining momentum and gearing up for a long, difficult, and interesting job,” Surkov continued.

He then went on to describe Putin as the founder of modern Russia, similar to the Turkish leader Mustafa Kemal Ataturk or France’s Charles de Gaulle.

“Putinism is the ideology of the future,” he wrote.

“The political system created in Russia is suitable not only for the future of local areas, it clearly has significant export potential.” ...”

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-president-vladimir-putin-election-americans-1327793

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“Foreign politicians talk about Russia’s interference in elections and referendums around the world. In fact, the matter is even more serious: Russia interferes in your brains, we change your conscience, and there is nothing you can do about it.”

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Now check out this below from conservative (patriot) commentator Dan Bongino, May 17, 2019...

"Thanks to recently released notes from an interview the State Department’s Kathleen Kavalec had with dossier author Christopher Steele, a possible bombshell connection between Halper and the dossier has been uncovered.

As discussed earlier in the week on the podcast, those notes also demonstrate Steele failing to keep his story straight between the State Department and FBI, proving how unreliable he is.

In Kavalec’s handwritten notes from their interview she makes note of two of Steele’s dossier sources; “Trubnikov” and “Surkov.”

Surkov is Vladislav Surkov, an aide of Vladimir Putin who is on the U.S.’s list of sanctioned individuals, and Trubnikov is Vyacheslav Trubnikov, who is currently the First Deputy of Foreign Minister of Russia and formally served as the Director of Foreign Intelligence Service.

Interestingly, Trubnikov is an associate of Halper. ..."

https://bongino.com/new-document-exposes-two-russian-dossier-sources/

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Vladislav Yuryevich Surkov

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Vladislav Yuryevich Surkov (born 21 September 1964)[1] is a Russian businessman and politician of Chechen descent.[2]

He was First Deputy Chief of the Russian Presidential Administration from 1999 to 2011, during which time he was widely seen as the main ideologist of the Kremlin who proposed and implemented the concept of sovereign democracy in Russia.

From December 2011 until May 2013 Surkov served as the Russian Federation’s Deputy Prime Minister.[3][4]

After his resignation, Surkov returned to the Presidential Executive Office and became a personal adviser of Vladimir Putin on relationships with Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Ukraine.[5]

Surkov is perceived by many to be a key figure with much power and influence in the administration of Vladimir Putin.[6][7][8]

According to The Moscow Times, this perception is not dependent on the official title Surkov might hold at any one time in the Putin government.[9]

BBC documentary filmmaker Adam Curtis credits Surkov’s blend of theater and politics with keeping Putin, and Putin’s chosen successors, in power since 2000.[10]

Journalists in Russia and abroad have speculated that Surkov writes under the pseudonym Nathan Dubovitsky, although the Kremlin denies it.[11][12][13][14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladislav_Surkov

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