Until now I have avoided threads like this one, but I have seen a few of them lately and I wonder if someone has a mission of separating Jewish and Christian conservatives from one-another.
Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people. It is not just a geographic area; it is the place that the Jewish Bible identifies as the home of the Jews’ Temple in Jerusalem, the land where certain laws relating to the land are followed (and they do not apply anywhere else in the world). The Five Books of Moses tell the story of the Jews being sent by G-d to Israel, the promised land. The prophets and the other writings (by and large discuss the penalties imposed on the Jews for misbehavior in the land of Israel.
Since the expulsion of the Jews by the Romans following the Bar Kokhba rebellion about 70 years after the Second Temple was destroyed, Jews have longed to be back in Israel. The cry of “Next Year in Jerusalem” was said at the end of the Passover seder; Jews would leave a little bit of their homes unfinished in commemoration of the destruction of the Temple; at Jewish weddings the Groom breaks a glass under his foot just when he is married in order to commemorate that destruction.
Hatikva, the national anthem of the Jewish State of Israel, expresses the hope (that is what HaTikva means) that the Jews can be a free people in their land).
Jews do not begrudge a Christian presence in Israel. To the contrary, they are welcomed. The Christian sites, including monasteries, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and others, are visited by millions of Christian pilgrims every year. In 2018 alone, some 25 million tourists visited Israel, and most of them are not Jews.
All the Jews ask is that Christians not try to convert Jews by subterfuge. Pretending to be Jews, approaching uninformed Jews to convince them that they can be both Jews and Christians, inviting them to Christian prayer meetings without calling them Christian — all of this is a sly, underhanded way to insinuate their religion into the body politic of the Jewish people.
In my opinion, it is unethical to do this, and the consequence is that it makes Jews distrustful of Christians and makes Christians resentful of Jews. It is time for this to stop. We have so much more in common than what divides us. Sneaky efforts like these destroy those common bonds.
Excellent post. Way better than mine written at a gas station. Thats my excuse. Lol.
RE: All the Jews ask is that Christians not try to convert Jews by subterfuge. Pretending to be Jews, approaching uninformed Jews to convince them that they can be both Jews and Christians, inviting them to Christian prayer meetings without calling them Christian all of this is a sly, underhanded way to insinuate their religion into the body politic of the Jewish people.
I am not sure I follow the logic -— what does converting a Jew by subterfuge mean? If someone is trying to convince you to believe that Jesus (who is Himself a Jew) is the Jewish Messiah, why is that a repudiation of what the Jews believe in? The unstated assumption of course is this — because Jesus is NOT the Jewish Messiah.
But that is not subterfuge, that is in fact an attempt at evangelizing the Jew in the sincere belief that it FULFILLS the prophecies in his scripture.
Now, the Jewish listener is free to accept or reject the message. But to say that someone who accepts the message is now NOT a Jew is puzzling.
Let me ask the question another way — is a Jew who becomes an atheist still considered a Jew?
“All the Jews ask is that Christians not try to convert Jews by subterfuge. Pretending to be Jews, approaching uninformed Jews to convince them that they can be both Jews and Christians, inviting them to Christian prayer meetings without calling them Christian all of this is a sly, underhanded way to insinuate their religion into the body politic of the Jewish people.”
I understand your thought process and appreciate how well you worded it.
Christians are told within the writings of the Bible to give no thought as to what we are to say, to let the Holy Spirit speak through us. If we use deceit in any way it destroys what we are seeking to do at the moment and can carry harm for generations via the souls that may have been reached and were not because of subterfuge.
Years ago a woman I knew because an Israeli citizen. Her love of the people was that great. She served in the army as a citizen.
On occasion she would mention that when asked if she was a Christian (she was/is) she would tell the questioner that she worshipped the Jewish God.
As a Christian she spoke correctly, because the Lord God of the Jewish race is indeed our Lord God. I was always troubled, though, by her splitting the hairs so finely in her answer to that question.
She explained that over there is was unacceptable for a Christian to attempt to proselytize their faith.
I just couldn’t shake the feeling of believing she was not um...correct. The early believers hid their faith, yes. They did so out of fear of life and limb, having services in hidden places. When caught, however, they were not to lie, but to ask for the grace to be strong in their faith.
So I just couldn’t reconcile to her thinking. I guess it would indeed by like Jews or Christians suffering persecution today. I can understand the fear. I respect and hold in awe those Jews and/or Christians who place their lives at risk for their faith.
I sorry for those Jews who don’t know my Christ. Yet, could not bring myself to use trickery.
Sorry for the ramble.