Being More Faithfully Catholic Is the Only Valid Response to Shrinking Numbers

Archdiocese of Washington ^ | 09-022-19 | Msgr. Charles Pope

[ealgeone]

You obviously don’t know anything about Catholic teaching and annulments.

The Catholic Church doesn’t charge for annulments. Originally the cost was to defray the expenses to investigate your matrimony. Now its free, so you have no excuse not to go get one.

Perhaps you don't know as much about them either.

How much does it cost?

Pope Francis has asked dioceses whenever possible to provide their tribunal services free of charge. Depending upon how much your diocese is able to subsidize the work of its tribunal, you may be asked to pay a nominal fee. You may also be asked to make a donation following the completion of your case. Fees are typically payable over time, and may be reduced or even waived in cases of financial difficulty. Other expenses may be incurred when consultation with medical, psychological, or other experts is needed, or if you obtain the services of a private canon lawyer to represent you.

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/marriage-and-family/marriage/annulment/index.cfm

[ealgeone]

bayard: Although, five thousand is pitifully cheap to be saved. I don’t see why you would complain about the price when the treasure of following Jesus is worth more than any price.

joefonebone, if you have trusted in Christ to be your Savior, you are saved.

No Roman Catholic lives up to the standard they're trying to impose in you.

The poster seems to suggest you can buy your salvation for the low price of $5000.

There is zero Scriptural support for his position.

[ealgeone]

Perhaps, being more Christlike would do it.

There is a distinct difference.

[ealgeone]

But it’s getting harder to be a good Catholic around here with pieces of garbage taking more and more Disgusting shots at a Pope that we know has many views that just don’t jibe with Catholicism.

Never let a Roman Catholic utter the false charge of "Roman Catholic bashing" again in light of this statement.

[Bayard]

Cool story Ealgeone.

Now give me a price you are talking about. Most diocese in the USA it is free.

You can misconstrue, “may” and third party organizations that “might” be needed, but those things don’t amount to a specific number. USCCB is explaining that the petitioner may have to pay third party organizations for the evidence they need to build their legal case.

Does your local Diocese charge anything? Probably not.

[Bayard]

There is zero Scriptural support for his position.

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Matthew 16:9

“I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) and marries another commits adultery.”

[Petrosius]

To be fully Catholic is to be Christ-like. See the examples of the numberless Catholic saints. This is what the Catholic Church calls us all to be.

[ealgeone]

Cool story Ealgeone.

Now give me a price you are talking about. Most diocese in the USA it is free.

You're the one who mentioned 5k.

Although, five thousand is pitifully cheap to be saved.

[ealgeone]

That has what to do with the price of an annulment in Roman Catholicism which is what my comment was directed towards?

[Bayard]

You’re the one who mentioned 5k.

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No I didn’t, do you make things up to argue points too?

[JPJones]

“Simply saying, “purge all communists and punish all the pedophiles” is like saying, “Get rid of all liberals in America then we can be patriotic citizens.”

Not even close. Liberals have EVERY right to hold office in America, pedophiles don’t have ANY right to be Clergy.

“Hand-wringing and fist-waving isn’t going to do anything.”

Ignoring the real problem of why people are leaving the church in droves, won’t either.

[ealgeone]

“I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) and marries another commits adultery.”

LOL! What version of Scripture is that in??

[ealgeone]

Although, five thousand is pitifully cheap to be saved.

Your comment.

[JPJones]

“Being more faithfully Catholic would do that. “

No it wouldn’t.

[ealgeone]

Annulments do not range in the five-figure bracket — you have received some mistaken information.

Are they more or less??

can you show us in Scripture where annulments are found?

And the associated costs?

[JPJones]

“Terrible thing to have to break with the faith you were raised in, but that’s where I find myself.”

Ditto.

It’s NOT OUR fault.

[JPJones]

“We do not lose heart …. We do not practice deceit, nor do we distort the word of God. On the contrary, by open proclamation of the truth, we commend ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God (2 Cor 4:1-2).”

Truth is the church is overrun with communists and pedophiles.

There, I proclaimed it.

Again.

[Bayard]

Not even close. Liberals have EVERY right to hold office in America, pedophiles don’t have ANY right to be Clergy.

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Judas was an apostle until he hanged himself. Regardless of what you think, when the office has been appointed they hold the office and are still clergy, the other apostles could do nothing when Judas betrayed Jesus. They did not also know that he was a traitor. That’s the problem with traitors.

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Ignoring the real problem of why people are leaving the church in droves, won’t either.
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No one is ignoring the problem. But the answer to the problem sure isn’t really only with words on an internet forum. You can say, “get rid of all sinners” all you want but you’re dealing with people and an organization. Its not as simple as finding and removing the obvious.

[JPJones]

“Only one recourse exists: invalidate Vatican II.........”

I’m too young/stupid to know what that means.

But if it gets rid of all the communists and pedophiles, then I’m all for it.

[infool7]

This is what the Catholic Church calls us all to be

Yep!

The One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Christ Jesus
                                                                                                                            , that built Christendom(western civilization.)

          The Nicene Creed
          I believe in one God,
          the Father almighty,
          maker of heaven and earth,
          of all things visible and invisible.
+10 One God
          I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
          the Only Begotten Son of God,
          born of the Father before all ages.
+10 Christ Jesus
          God from God, Light from Light,
          true God from true God,
          begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
          through him all things were made.
+ 1 Consubstantial with the Father
          For us men and for our salvation
          he came down from heaven,
+ 1 For our salvation
           and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
          and became man.
+ 1 Virgin Birth
          For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
          he suffered death and was buried,
          and rose again on the third day
          in accordance with the Scriptures.
+10 Suffered, Died and Rose
          He ascended into heaven
          and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
+ 1 Ascended, Seated
          He will come again in glory
          to judge the living and the dead
          and his kingdom will have no end.
+10 Come Again in Glory to Judge
          I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
          who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
          who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
          who has spoken through the prophets.
+10 Holy Trinity
          I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
+10 One Visible Church
          I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
+ 1 One Baptism
          and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
          and the life of the world to come.
+10 Resurrection of the Dead

          The Ten Commandments:
          1. I am the LORD your God. You shall worship the Lord your God
              and Him only shall you serve.
          2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
          3. Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.
          4. Honor your father and your mother.
          5. You shall not murder.
          6. You shall not commit adultery.
          7. You shall not steal.
          8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
          9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
          10.You shall not covet your neighbor's goods.
+10 The Ten Commandments

          The Greatest Commandment
          1. Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy
               whole soul, and with thy whole mind, and with thy whole strength
          2. Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
+ 2 The Greatest Commnadments

          The Seven Sacraments Catholic Church:
          1. Baptism.
          2. Eucharist.
          3. Confirmation.
          4. Reconciliation.
          5. Anointing of the sick.
          6. Marriage.(XY+XX, Till death do us part)
          7. Holy orders.
+ 7 The Seven Sacraments

          The Precepts of the Catholic Church:
          1. You shall attend Mass on Sundays and on holy days of obligation
               and rest from servile labor.
          2. You shall confess your sins at least once a year.
          3. You shall receive the sacrament of the Eucharist at least during the
              Easter season.
          4. You shall observe the days of fasting and abstinence established by
               the Church.
          5. You shall help to provide for the needs of the Church.
+ 5 The Precepts

          The seven chief corporal works of mercy:
          1. To feed the hungry.
          2. To give drink to the thirsty.
          3. To clothe the naked.
          4. To visit the imprisoned.
          5. To shelter the homeless.
          6. To visit the sick.
          7. To bury the dead.
+ 7 Corporal Works

          The seven chief spiritual works of mercy:
          1. To admonish the sinner.
          2. To instruct the ignorant.
          3. To counsel the doubtful.
          4. To comfort the sorrowful.
          5. To bear wrongs patiently.
          6. To forgive all injuries.
          7. To pray for the living and the dead.
+ 7 Spiritual Works

          Pro-Life - From Conception Until Natural Death
+15 Pro-Life

          _____ How Catholic am I?
                                   < 40 Stil searching?
                                   40-87 Good Candidate for RCIA
                                   88-100 Impressive
                                   > 100 You are on the Way.

                                                            * Click the pic to learn how to say it in Latin

Sáncte Míchael Archángele,
Saint Michael the Archangel,
Sahn tay Me kale ark ann ja lay

defénde nos in proélio,
defend us in battle.
de fen day nos en pro leo

cóntra nequítiam et insídias diáboli ésto præsídium.
Be our protection against the malice and snares of the devil.
contra neh-queet ee um et in cid e ah s dee ob lay esto pray sid ee um

Ímperet ílli Déus,súpplices deprecámur:
May God rebuke him we humbly pray;
Im pair et ee lay Day-ews soup-lay-chase day-pray-che-more

tuque, prínceps milítiæ cæléstis,
O Prince of the Heavenly host
too quay pren-cheps may-lee-tea-a che-lace-tees

Sátanam aliósque spíritus malígnos,
Satan and all evil spirits
Say tan um ah lee o squeece spear ee toose mah ling nos

qui ad perditiónem animárum pervagántur in múndo,
who wander through the world for the ruin of souls
quee ard per dits ee own um ani mon um prev a gon tour en mundo

divína virtúte,
by the divine power of God,
day vee nay ver-toot-tay

in inférnum detrúde.
thrust into hell
en in fair num day-too-tay

Ámen.

Lord, keep us strong. Keep us bold and filled with love for our enemies and for all those who are troubled and in need of healing. Never allow us to hide or to be concerned for our own safety, but rather concerned only that your glorious and Holy Name bring healing and grace, conviction for our sins, repentance, and therefore mercy. Help us, Lord, to stay faithful, courageous, and bold no matter the threats, the hardships, the persecution, and even the ruthless attempts at suppression. May no one who looks at us conclude anything less than that we “have been with Jesus. -Dr. Mary Healy

Amen

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