Posted on 09/11/2019 10:52:15 AM PDT by Gamecock
Finally, the infighting among traditionalist, conservative, and liberal Catholics made plain that Catholics did not gain by their magisterium a clear, living voice of divine authority. They received from the past a set of magisterial documents that had to be weighed and interpreted, often over against living prelates. The magisterium of prior ages only multiplied the texts one had to interpret for oneself, for living bishops, it turns out, are as bad at reading as the rest of us.
Wow! We see this played out daily here on FR! Francis vs. Froman Catholics vs. most suburban Catholics.
Ping
Someone help me out here and provide me with where in the Bible this is taught. Not looking for an argument or deflection, just a Bible verse. Thanks.
The proof that your Catholicism wasn't all that secure is your need to blather to everyone else about your "faith journey".
Sorry your faith wasn't all that deep.
Respectfully recommend Romans 5.
Ephesians 2:8-9 New International Version (NIV). 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith —and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Thank you for your testimony.
Thank you kindly. I see verse 5:1 where it says, "Therefore, since we are justified by faith..." but I do not see the word "alone."
I’d be glad to try and explain the Greek behind Romans 5 that supports faith alone. Freepmail me if you’d like.
Certain elements of my attraction to Catholicism were adolescent, like a sixties radical’s attraction to Marx or a contemporary activist’s to intersectionality: I aimed to preserve the core beliefs of my upbringing while fleeing their bourgeois expressions.
I’ll be sharing this article with her. She has been “brainwashed” to not read anything “blessed” by the church, but we have an understanding. I think this article is exactly what she needs.
Big picture answer: Have you read the entire Old Testament and New Testament? Think of the many times the New Testament teachers like Jesus and Paul went way out of their way to explain to Jews that nobody could live up to the standard and be the perfect Jew -- it's only by grace. And all the times Paul wrote that it doesn't matter if you're circumcised, eat meat offered to idols, etc. IMHO, the combined beliefs of faith alone and grace alone are a quick summary of New Testament belief being different from Old Testament belief.
But if you're more inclined to pay attention to one-liner verses, here are some:
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. (John 3:16)
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life (John 5:24) For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life (John 6:40)
I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies. (John 11:25)
That's actually a circular argument, presuming this verse is referring to "faith alone" because one asserts that we are saved by faith alone.
If St. Paul means faith alone, and if this is such a critical doctrine, one should expect him to say so explicitly.
Seriously, I'm only looking for a verse--one verse-- that clearly asserts we are justified by faith alone.
Nothing is sadder than someone trying to earn what they never can when God has already freely given it to them.
So the guy wants the scriptures ex the Pope.
Popes are temporary (I can’t wait for this one to be), but the teachings of Catholicism are enduring. Look past the failings of man. If you need to find another Christian faith, then chances are you never really had faith. Only a failing idea of what that faith was.
Catholic, proud to be despite this Pope and the modern failings of the men that run it.
However, between Romans 5 and the verses from Ephesians 2:8-9 posted by mommd, the principle is there.
IF it is not by faith alone, but by faith plus works, you have to ask the following questions:
What works do you have to do?
How many do you have to do?
Salvation now becomes incumbent upon your actions and not the one time sacrifice of Christ on the cross.
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However, if you believe in the Trinity you will not find that in Scripture either, yet I don't know of a Christian who denies the Trinity.
The principle lesson here is something doesn't have to be explicitly said in Scritpure; yet from Scripture the principle can be learned.
Yes, many times over, in-depth and in a serious manner, as I'm sure you have. It is not a matter of not being knowledgeable of the contents of the Bible, but a difference of interpretation.
Jesus and Paul did indeed warn time and again the impossibility of being saved under the Jewish law. But since almost no Christian today believes that one could, that is not what is in dispute today. What is in dispute is whether our conduct (either bad or good) has any impact on our salvation. And, as you must know, both Jesus and St. Paul were very clear that it did.
And it is so freeing when you DO figure it out. :)
Both Luther’s and Gamecocks Aha moment.
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