Posted on 12/27/2019 4:31:57 PM PST by ebb tide
John 6:28-29
But as I pointed out already, these same people take their day of rest on Sunday, which is a practice put in place by the Catholic Church; there is no authority found in Scripture for this practice.
We read as well in the New Testament how the Church, exercising its teaching authority in the form of the Magisterium (one of the other two pillars of authority) declares that circumcision is no longer necessary and that certain meats were no longer considered unclean. (This teaching authority is demonstrated to you in the Scripture you rely on and you won't concede it.)
Vernal equinox, eh?
When do the Jews say Passover is each year?
But now it IS written
And Rome FAILED to include a Lot of important ‘other’ doctrine into it
You would have to ask them; I don’t know.
The Passover begins on the 15th day of the month of Nisan, which typically falls in March or April of the Gregorian calendar. The 15th day begins in the evening, after the 14th day, and the seder meal is eaten that evening. Passover is a spring festival, so the 15th day of Nisan typically begins on the night of a full moon after the northern vernal equinox.[34] However, due to leap months falling after the vernal equinox, Passover sometimes starts on the second full moon after vernal equinox, as in 2016.
If your celebration of the Resurrection is aligned with the Jewish celebration of Passover, then you would be adhering to “Sola Scriptura”. If you are celebrating it with us Catholics, then you have stepped off the grid of Scripture and are acknowledging that pillar of authority known as the Magisterium, which has declared when Easter is to be celebrated.
LOL. You've just described the total modus operandus of Protestants on this forum. You either did or did not graduate from a Protestant seminary.
By your answer, I assume you did...which means you learned and know NOTHING about what Catholics actually believe and teach.
My call is.......not gonna waste more time with you....BYE.
I’ve told you before.....buzz off!
For what reason does God ever perform a miracle? Everything He does is done for one reason: to glorify His Son. It is ALL about Jesus Christ and His FINISHED WORK for our salvation. If it doesn’t reflect that or lead to that, then God did not perform that miracle. If that miracle does NOT lead to the chains of religiosity being broken and the simplicity that is “For by GRACE are you saved through faith; and that not of yourself; it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast”, WHY would God perform it? To keep people chained to a religious system of false teachings, false doctrines, superstitution, fear? If it keeps you chained to apostacy, how can it possibly be of God???????
I'll bid "adieu" here.
I did answer your question. You just did not care for my answer. Test the spirits, whether they be of God. If they lead to the simplicity that is Christ, and reconciliation with God through Christ’s FINISHED work, then it is from God. If it keeps a person chained to a perverted gospel of works for salvation, then it is NOT from God.
So simple yet SO much a stumbling block for many.
Is there anyone else besides the Almighty who can work a miracle?
You’re joking, right?
If you ever rustle up a fact or two to discuss, ping me.
So far you have none.
You wrote...
But as I pointed out already, these same people take their day of rest on Sunday, which is a practice put in place by the Catholic Church; there is no authority found in Scripture for this practice.
This is simply not true.
Early in the history of the Christian church,Christians had made the transition to worshiping on SUNDAY because of what Scripture revealed about practice of celebrating Sundays (Lord's Day) and because of the significance of other important events to Christianity that occurred on Sundays.
Among these events and practices:
Christ rose on the FIRST DAY (Sunday):
The Apostle Paul gave Christians instructions about setting aside money to giveJohn 20:1 - Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.
1 Corinthians 16:1-2 ESV - Now concerning the collection for the saints: as I directed the churches of Galatia, so you also are to do. On the first day of every week, each of you is to put something aside and store it up, as he may prosper, so that there will be no collecting when I come.
Pentecost itself was on a Sunday
Christ was crucified on a Friday, was inside the tomb on the Passover Sabbath, and then rose on Sunday, beginning the count to the 50th day (Pentecost), which would be a Sunday. This 50th day was a Sunday, the very first day of the 8th week.
Christ fulfilled the Law, including the Sabbath (Saturday).
Matthew 5:17 -“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Finally, for my post, I note that out of the 10 commandments, only keeping the Sabbath (Saturday) is not repeated in the NT as a requirement for Christians.
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To argue that Christians today only worship on Sunday because Rome "proclaimed it" is not a convincing argument.
And while Christians are commanded to:
Hebrews 10:25 - "not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more, as you see the day drawing near."
Christians are not commanded to specifically choose Sunday.
As such, no additional authority is ever needed.
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You also wrote the following...
We read as well in the New Testament how the Church, exercising its teaching authority in the form of the Magisterium (one of the other two pillars of authority) declares that circumcision is no longer necessary and that certain meats were no longer considered unclean.
Christians obey the Scriptures - all written by Apostles.
Today, every church has the spiritual gift of "teachers" given to the church. They are to be obeyed, so long as they do not violate Scripture.
There are however, no more Apostles, who were a foundation for the Church.
Consequently, I also find this argument of yours to be false.
In closing, I wish you every blessing in 2020.
May God reelect President Trump in a landslide.
You wrote...
But as I pointed out already, these same people take their day of rest on Sunday, which is a practice put in place by the Catholic Church; there is no authority found in Scripture for this practice.
This is simply not true.
But it is.
Despite the fact that the followers of Christ would gather to pray on Sunday, they still kept the Jewish Sabbath. (It's the reason they were getting thrown out of the synagogues.)
There's simply no instruction anywhere in the New Testament that allowed anyone to work on the Jewish Sabbath and to take their day of rest on Sunday; this was put into place by the Catholic Church.
It isn't just the Catholics who disagree with your interpretation of Scripture. Say what you will about the Seventh Day Adventists, but they are consistent about "Sola Scriptura". (They don't recognize the acts of the Magisterium in declaring foods to be clean or in declaring the day of rest to be the first and not the seventh day of the week.)
Nor is an instruction needed.
There is absolutely no NT Scripture reason for believers to worship on a particular day of the week - other than the ones I mention, foremost being that it is the Day Christ rose from the dead.
It doesn't displease God to worship on every day or one day.
No authority nor permission is needed - other than the freedom of the believer and the command to assemble together.
That later in history the Roman church institutionalized Sunday for itself is irrelevant to believers in Christ, who are not bound by anything Rome declares or believes.
Who recognizes any authority of Rome, other than romans??
As such, your argument carries no weight, except to those under the power of Rome.
I think you're being disingenuous. (Because it seems to me that you can arrive at your own conclusions and then cherry pick those parts of Scripture that seem to support them.)
Christ Himself kept the Jewish Sabbath; He had multiple run-ins with the Scribes and Pharisees on this day, who took issue with His performing miracles on that day. Despite having had ample opportunity, He never once stated that the Sabbath was no longer binding.
If our interpretation of Scripture allows us to reach a conclusion by considering what it doesn't say, we could all read the Bible and come up with a million different understandings of what it actually meant.
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