Posted on 01/30/2020 6:41:58 PM PST by ebb tide
I see—So, are you saying that because I’m a Catholic, I’m not a Christian?
Nothing you quoted contradicts the article under discussion.
If the name “Purgatory” is not in the Bible 7, certainly the idea of forgiveness of sins in the after-life is, since our Lord Himself refers to it: “And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come” (Matt. 12:32). 8
Future Perfection
Further, there are passages in scripture which tell us that we are to be made “perfect.” Our Lord commands us in Matthew 12:36 to be perfect: “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect.” Not only did our Lord command perfection, He also stated, through His Apostle, that it would certainly happen: “Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform 9 it until the day of Jesus Christ” (Philippians 1:6).
Those in Christ die and are not allowed to re-prove themselves in any sort of Purgatory. They die and show up on Judgment Day with the exact same state they died, but since our names are in the Book of Life, the Blood of Jesus cleanses us, making us holy, to enter Heaven. There is no purgatory or proving ground and nothing in the Catholic bible supports such a concept.
Some Roman Catholics believe wearing a man-made piece of cloth known as the Brown Scapular will get them out Hell and/or Purgatory.
I hate to break it to those Roman Catholics, but that idol is going to condemn them to the very place they don't want to go.
don't you know ebb is on the recruiting poster for how/why not to be a Roman Catholic?
Pretty crystal clear isn’t it!
You cannot have it both ways salvation.
If Christ made the perfect sacrifice to restore man to Heaven and a person believes that.....why isn't the perfect sacrifice sufficient to cleanse us from all sin?
Idolatry is one of those “mortal sins”.
So, Purgatory is only for saved souls but Y’all still ask dead mortals to pray for those in Purgatory - and Jesus, having taken on our sins, wants a last shot at smacking us down on the way to Heaven...did I get that right?
ebbtide: Care to give chapter and verse?
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18 NASB
13For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. Colossians 1:13 NASB
21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, 22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach— Colossian 1:21-22 NASB
Though the Golden Rule is a Godly concept (and thereby issued by Jesus as The Word from the beginning of time), it has been around forever and is in almost all religions.
And plenty of Catholics who don't (being mature enough to admit that their church was corrupted at various times in its past)
Doesn't that depend on who you put first...the Catholic Church or Jesus?
I told one of them the other day that, as far as I know, humans can't get into Heaven by way of the doggie door (i.e., God to a nice dog, "come on in...you're a good boy").
Do Catholics also think eating fruit is a mortal sin?
Here's a news flash, for all you Catholics. Sin is sin. Three is no *mortal* of *venial*. It's ALL an affront to a holy God.
James 2:8-11 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
According to James, favoritism is as much a sin as murder or adultery.
Y'all Catholics don't get what the problem with sin is. It's not the sin itself per se that's the problem.
It's about the holy God that the sin is committed against. So it doesn't matter WHICH sin is committed. If God said not to do it and you do, you've violated one of His commands. You've sinned against HIM, and that's what the real problem with sin is.
The command you choose to violate is irrelevant.
The same God who said *Do not murder* and *Do not commit adultery*, also said *Do not lie*, *Do not steal*, *Do not covet*, *Honor your mother and father*.
Same God, different commands, but when ONE of them is broken, according to James, you are guilty of it all.
God does not hair split about sin. The soul that sins dies; spiritual and physical death and separation from God.
It's the height of irony that Catholics accuse non-Catholics of playing loose with sin, and then not only defend it in the midst of their clergy, but go on to graduate it so that some are less bad than others and not as serious as others.
There’s only one hell.
Or did y’all Catholics make up different categories of hell, too?
Welcome to the LCMS. Been one all my life. You will find Biblically strong teaching and a love of Christ above all.
OY:Unless he wants to post something negative in a Catholic caucus. I’ve had the same argument applied to me.
Me, too, and many more of us besides. But you are right.
You have to be an approved Catholics, good enough for them, in order to post on Catholics caucus thread.
They want to have their cake and eat it too.
They won't let go of you and yet when you try to participate with them, they kick you out.
Very elitist mentality.
And Salvation, surprise!
I am NOT a Catholic.
I have died to sin and am a new creation in Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
The old has gone and the new has come.
The Catholic part of me is dead and gone. HALLELUJAH!!!!!!
The irony.
We're criticized for sola Scriptura going right to the source, that is Scripture, and then we're accused of not following the teachings of Jesus, but rather the teachings of men.
From a Catholic, no less, who adheres to in *Sacred Tradition*, not found in Scripture.
You just can't make this stuff up.
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