Posted on 06/16/2020 7:54:02 PM PDT by lightman
Therefore:
Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!
* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.
Be rooted in Christ!
The August 19 date refers solely to the adoption of the gaysbian agenda, NOT to the “Full Communion” agreement.
homosexual practice “incompatible with Christian teaching.”
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It isn’t.
But now the Supreme Court has rule we must all pretend that the man in a dress is a woman under penalty of law.
Wesleyan witness in America. Wow. That would be wonderful. We can hope and pray that it may be so.
Romans 1:18-32 on display.
Simply, of COURSE it would be about championing perversion. Scripture explicitly says why too.
If your congregation is in the grips of “liberals” one you should flee from having any fellowship with it.
The Court can go pound sand.
(Also, wouldn’t “isn’t” be a typo? I understand, they happen to me a lot.)
no, not a typo.
Homosexuality isn’t compatible with Christian theology.
Whew....with the double negative I actually thought you were trying to state that homesexuality was in fact compatible with Christian theology.
Yeah, when I went back and looked, it could be read differently than I meant.
That can happen...I knew you weren’t a DU troll.
It was the African clergy in 1980 who blocked the offer I had received to become a UMC associated missionary to Japan. I despised them at the time for preventing the will of God in my life. Over the decades I have come to admit that, regardless of what they had done to me, they have preserved Christian practice in the Methodist faith, even as I found myself led to the LCMS. God works with, through, and around us for the ultimate goal of bringing His church to fruition in Christ.
Your post is a reflection of true spiritual maturity.
You have chosen wisely.
I sense that you perceive this as negative.
Would you mind explaining your terms to a relatively new, non-denominational Christian?
Here's what I understand, but maybe I'm wrong:
liberal: I know that is not a good thing here. In China, a "liberal" is someone who opposes the Communists.
protestant: someone who "protested" against the original Catholic church. Martin Luther (founder of Lutheranism?) started this movement to reform the Catholic church. I can see how that is not good from a Catholic perspective, but many Christians here are "Protestant," and I think that's okay.
sect: one of various religious groups--is that a bad thing?
holy: sacred, godly. What/Who determines something's sacredness?
catholic: Roman Catholic?
apostolic: a church with apostles? which one(s) is that/are those?
church: I know it means more than just a building. A religious community? An organized Christian religion? A denomination? A group of people who believe in a certain way? The Catholic church?
Could someone please elaborate? I don't have the background in Christianity that many of you do.
In 2009 the ELCA willfully disregarded—and then discarded—the global and historical (small “c” catholic) teaching on Marriage and sexuality which has its origins in the teachings of Christ preserved for us through the Apostles in favor of the pottage of the Zeitgeist (the spirit of the age).
Separation from historic and global Christianity is schismatic and not only is the mark of sectarianism, it is a collective expression of hubris and spiritual pride.
Some additional questions:
Is the "global and historical catholic church" the same as the Roman Catholic church?
Is anything schismatic from the catholic church necessarily a bad thing?
The same schism is coming to the entire evangelical church. This has been happening since the days of John and Jude. We are all called to fight against the false teaching of our day. There will always be a remnant. Perhaps YOU are part of that remnant. If so what are you called to do?
I will take you at you word as sincerely seeking answers and not being a troll. Here is a bit to help your understanding.
Liberal : Someone who corrupts the fath by either denying or distorting the inerrancy of scripture.
Protestant: Yes, anyone who protests against the corruption of the faith and God’s word. Commonly associated with Luther and the reformation, there have been Protestants in the church since Jude and John wrote their epistles warning of false teachers in the church. Confronting those who would corrupt God’s word will be a continuing process for all generations until the return of Christ. And actually, Luther’s theology was quite different than the Lutheran church. Luther would be much more comfortable with the classic Presbyterians.
sect: Some group that thinks different from how you do
Holy: as literally translated it means “set aside”. It is something or someone that has been set aside by God for his use and purpose. God’s scripture and creation itself, tells us if something is Holy
Apostolic: Something that comes from or was taught directly by the Apostles (including Paul). The Apostles are considered New Testament prophets, and thus, their teaching is direct, infallible, revelation of God. If something is Apostolic it has the authority of God.
:catholic: catholic (Small “c”) merely means universal. The earliest universal catholic Church included the congregations in Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople and Rome. None had any claim of authority over the other.
We have far too many church organizations that divide over trivial differences. I don’t care whether they baptize by sprinkling or by immersion, and the structural/theological differences between Baptist, Presbyterian, and Methodist are unimportant. It’s the big issues that count. I’d like to see most Protestant Churches merge into one of two organizations:
Group 1 - those who believe the Bible is the word of God and means what it says. Unify them as one organization, and call them the “Protestant Church”.
Group 2 - those who like having a social club with no rules. Unify them as one organization, and call them a book club, a sewing club, a pot luck dinner club, or whatever, but don’t pretend that they care about God.
I already know which church I will always choose. I pray that freedom’s enemies will not stop too many people from making the same voluntary choice.
Any predictions on how conferences will go? I’m in Southern Indiana. Obviously, it would be preferable if the conference would just move into the traditionalist denomination without our congregation having to hold a vote.
I know a retired UM pastor. Liberal to the core and very much certain that the UM church will divide. I think he is correct on this and would be very surprised if the UM church doesn’t divide.
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