Should we Evangelize Protestants ?

The Catholic Thing ^ | August 9th, 2020 | Casey Chalk

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Jesus didn’t authorize 40,000 different versions of His Truth. There can only be one Truth and One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Have you taken a look at your clergy and membership?

There are at least 400,000 versions of truth.

More importantly, there is one Gospel given by which men may be saved. It is found in a Person. Not a church. Any church.

[ADSUM]

Your comment: “watching them forbid Bible reading”

Before the printing press, The Catholic Church kept the Bible on a chain in the Church for people to read (so that they were not taken).

Most could not read and it took 3 years for a monk to copy a Bible.

[Bulwyf]

Amen brother, thank you for your amazing testimony. Praise God for his word that he gave us that shows salvation is so simple that a child can understand it.

[Bulwyf]

Great post brother, like you, I am certain, God’s word says so.

[daniel1212]

Peter Kreeft, a scholarly treasure who converted to the Catholic Church some years back said of his conversion that it-Made him a Better Protestant...

And based upon his testimony you need to start with your own tent, since as he states in Justification by Faith,

Over the past twenty-five years I have asked hundreds of Catholic college students the question: If you should die tonight and God asks you why he should let you into heaven, what would you answer? The vast majority of them simply do not know the right answer to this, the most important of all questions, the very essence of Christianity. They usually do not even mention Jesus! - https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/religion-and-philosophy/apologetics/justification-by-faith.html

Roman Catholic professor Peter Kreeft also believes that, When Luther taught that we are saved by faith alone, he meant by salvation only the initial step, justification, being put right with God. But when Trent said we are saved by good works as well as faith, they meant by salvation the whole process by which God brings us to our eternal destiny and that process includes repentance, faith, hope, and charity, the works of love. — ibid

And since Luther also clearly affirmed that it was only effectual faith that justifies, faith and works being inseparable, that faith is a living and an essential thing, which makes a new creature of man, changes his spirit... Faith cannot help doing good works constantly... if faith be true, it will break forth and bear fruit... where there is no faith there also can be no good works; and conversely, that there is no faith.. where there are no good works. Therefore faith and good works should be so closely joined together that the essence of the entire Christian life consists in both. if obedience and God's commandments do not dominate you, then the work is not right, but damnable, surely the devil's own doings, although it were even so great a work as to raise the dead... if you continue in pride and lewdness, in greed and anger, and yet talk much of faith, St. Paul will come and say, 1 Cor. 4:20, look here my dear Sir, "the kingdom of God is not in word but in power." It requires life and action, and is not brought about by mere talk. Works are necessary for salvation, but they do not cause salvation... faith casts itself on God, and breaks forth and becomes certain through its works... faith must be exercised, worked and polished; be purified by fire... it is impossible for him who believes in Christ, as a just Savior, not to love and to do good. If, however, he does not do good nor love, it is sure that faith is not present... where the works are absent, there is also no Christ... References and more by God's grace. , then the Reformation and Counter-Reformation was much that of misunderstanding?

Rather, despite the modern Cath emphasis upon faith, what the RC gospel essentially teaches is that by the grace of God one actually becomes good enough to enter Heaven/glory/God's presence. Thus as Kreeft "also stated, "...we will go to Purgatory first, and then to Heaven after we are purged of all selfishness and bad habits and character faults." - Peter Kreeft, Because God Is Real: Sixteen Questions, One Answer, p. 224

The “Catholics clean house” argument also undermines our own theology. Is the Eucharist the “source and summit of the Christian life,” as Lumen Gentium preaches, or not? If it is, how could we in good conscience not direct other Christians to its salvific power? Jesus Himself declared: “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.” (John 6:53)

However, to be a faithful Catholic means to assent to the living magisterium's understanding of John 6:53, and rather than meaning that those who do not believe in the Cath Eucharist have no life in them, Lumen Gentium and other modern teaching generally affirms of properly baptized Protestants - all of which deny the Catholic Real Presence and according to Rome lack the necessary priest to confect the Eucharist - "that those who are baptized in these communities are, by Baptism, incorporated in Christ, and are "in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church," being "joined with us in the Holy Spirit" who "is operative among them," such as the "many who take Sacred Scripture as a norm of belief and a pattern of life" and lovingly believe in the Trinity. Sources.

Was our Lord misrepresenting the Eucharist?

Rather, it is the Cath contrivance Eucharist that misrepresents the Lord's supper, and only the metaphorical understanding easily conforms to Scripture overall.

Consider how much more fruitful our fight against the devastation of the sexual revolution would be if we persuaded Protestants that they need to reject things like contraception

Again, see to thine own house;

• Just 15% of U.S. Catholics say that using contraceptives is morally wrong. 41% say that using contraceptives is morally acceptable, while 36% say it is not a moral issue. 37% of Catholics who attend Mass at least once a week say using contraceptives is morally wrong while 33% say it is morally acceptable and 30% say it is not a moral issue. — http://www.pewresearch.org/key-data-points/u-s-catholics-key-data-from-pew-research/#abortion

• 74% of Evangelicals, 73% of Mainline Protestants, and 68% of sexually active Catholics women use birth control. 3% of the Catholics rely on natural family planning. Attendance at religious services and importance of religion to daily life are largely unrelated to use of highly effective contraceptive methods. ^

• 88% of Catholics believe that they can practice artificial means of birth control and still be considered good Catholics. New York Times/CBS News poll, Apr. 21-23, 1994, subsample of 446 Catholics, MOE ± 5%

• 98% of self-identified Catholic women ages 15-44 who have ever had sexual relations have used a method of contraception other than natural family planning at some point in their lives. .” http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/the-claim-that-98-percent-of-catholic-women-use-contraception-a-media-foul/2012/02/16/gIQAkPeqIR_blog.html?wprss=fact-checker

• 40% of 18- to 29-year-old Catholics said the church’s “teachings on sexuality and birth control are out of date.” http://www.barna.org/teens-next-gen-articles/528-six-reasons-young-christians-leave-church

• 59% of all Catholic women of childbearing age practice contraception—a rate of usage statistically equivalent to that of the general population (60%). Calvin Goldscheider and William D. Mosher, "Patterns of Contraceptive Use in the United States:

• 58% of Catholics 52% if they are voters) believe that employers should be required to provide their employees with health care plans that cover contraception;

• 50% of white Catholics support this requirement, versus 47% who oppose it, along with 38% of white evangelical Protestants an 50% of white mainline Protestants. Public Religion Research Institute, February 2012 http://publicreligion.org/research/2012/02/january-tracking-poll-2012/

  and the more permissive stance towards divorce that they have allowed to seep into their churches.

  Grievously, yet so is the unscriptural redefining of marriage via a broad criteria that relegates marriages that are considered marriage in Scripture to having never taken place, resulting in thousands of marriages being "annulled." Which broad criteria potentially means that multitudes of other Catholic marriages are invalid as well.

  the very nature of Protestantism has contributed to the individualism, secularism, and moral relativism of our age.

  Rather, it is the demeaning of Scripture that is the problem, thus those who most strongly esteemed as the accurate and wholly inspired word of God, with its basic literal hermeneutic testify to being far more conservative and unified in polled core beliefs and values than overall those whom Rome counts as members in life and in death. Thus evangelicals have been religious enemy #1 for liberals and Catholic alike in the West.

  Why bother to evangelize devout Protestants? Because

  distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed (which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels).

  Also, you have not defined just who the real RCs are. For there are many RC sects, such as with many here asserting,

  "Bergoglio the Heretic;"

  "preaches and authors heresy;"

  "the material and formal heretic;"

  this fraud of a pope;

  “an apostate,”

  "he's not a Catholic;"

  "Pope Frank..protestant;"

  "The Impopester;"

  "The Ecumenical Mass of Bergoglio is straight out of Hell;"

  "...for which our poor, beleaguered pontiff is nothing more than the ultimate poster boy."

[daniel1212]

You won’t believe anything unless it is not Catholic.

Actually "Bible Christians" have been and are the most ardent defenders of basic Scriptural Truths Catholic also assent to, this your assertion is fallacious.

If It’s doctrine that was only created 1500 years after Christ then there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY it came from him. There is someone it came from. And you know who that is.

Meaning that since distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest in the only wholly inspired substantive authoritative record of what the NT church believed (which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels) then then there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY it came from God. There is someone it came from. And you know who that is.

However, as usual, your argument provides further testimony to why one should not be a Catholic.

[MurphsLaw]

”The Catholic man immediately started building pews complete with kneeling platforms and carving a statue of the virgin Mary.”

YES !!! Exactly - you make the authors point to a tee ! Although youre wrong about what gets built first, the building of a “ dreaded “ Crucifix would come first and yes pews, and honoring the Blessed Virgin Mother thereafter for sure...

But you hit the nail on the head.... the Catholic MUST Think of others first, he should build pews for others, he or she is commanded to share that faith with others, and pews for many others to kneel in worship is exactly what that Island would need to bring Christ to them... giving the Lord kudos for saving you is a self centered position- God is not around waiting for us to praise him, like an artist at a Art gallery open- he wants more from us..

Faith alone is a dead religion as the Apostle James warns us... and faith in faith is a hall of mirrors.... what that turns into is noted in your comment descends into INDIVIDUALISM... which as the author stated is the unintended goal of Luther’s rebellion against the Church for a Faith-only schism equation....

Christ was a mission for us.....We have to be his mission on earth.... he built his Church for unity... not everyone doing their own individual faith....

[M Kehoe]

Hi.

I’m guessing 250 posts.

I’m a practicing Catholic. I would rather the Protestants or the Hebrews in my foxhole than aetheists or Muslims.

Just sayin.

5.56mm

[daniel1212]

God seeks unity of His Truth that was delegated to the Catholic Church.

You can only wish Catholicism ,with its schism and sects, was more unified than those who most strongly esteemed as the accurate and wholly inspired word of God, with its basic literal hermeneutic, who have long testified to being far more conservative and unified in polled core beliefs and values than overall those whom Rome counts as members in life and in death.

What do you class those who even reject Bergoglio as pope as being?

Protestants may be good people, but that does not merit salvation.

Nor does anything you or your church does actually merit salvation: rather the only thing we truly deserve is damnation. However, in His mercy, God spared always provided a means for mercy, culminating in not sparing His own Son, but sending His to be the savior of the world. Who came into this world incarnated to be tempted in all points like as we are, yet without sin, but by the Holy Ghost “went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. “ (Acts 10:38)

Yet after doing everything Right, He took responsibility for everything we did Wrong, and paid the price for our forgiveness with His own sinless shed blood, dying for us. Yet who bodily arose as prophesied 3 days later, and after being seen by many He ascended to Heaven at the Father’s right hand as man’s present savior and future judge.

Therefore all who come to the Lord Jesus with a repentant heart and believe in Him obtain forgiveness of all sins, and obedient believers will be with Him forever in glory. In contrast, what the RC gospel essentially teaches is that by the grace of God one actually becomes good enough to enter Heaven/glory/God's presence, usually thru RC (not EO) Purgatory. However,

[PeterPrinciple]

Yes. God the Son made a new covenant with all.

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And did you read it? or is God a liar? Jesus speaks to the matter of substituting tradition for His Word.

God tore the curtain separating us from God. He said you MUST BE BORN AGAIN, Which means He will put His Spirit in us. And his Spirit is the ONLY way we can understand even a little bit.

The New Covenant is being born again and God having a direct relationship with us, not thru the church. The visible church has a role but without God’s Sprit within us we are deaf and blind.

Now Nicodemas (you do know who he is?)didn’t get it either and he should have known being a religious leader.

So, you want to know what it means to be born again? You will have to ask God and then get your Bible out to let Him speak to you It is one of those questions He is willing to answer. No human being can explain it to you. And no church institution can explain it to you.

[infool7]

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Amen

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Please note that this image is merely an artistic depiction of Saint Michael the Archangel
and Satan in human like form and may or may not be an accurate resemblance to their actual
forms or all accounts of forms in which they may or may not have actually appeared either
separately or together.

Sáncte Míchael Archángele,
Saint Michael the Archangel,
Sahn tay Me kale ark ann ja lay

defénde nos in proélio,
defend us in battle.
de fen day nos en pro leo

cóntra nequítiam et insídias diáboli ésto præsídium.
Be our protection against the malice and snares of the devil.
contra neh-queet ee um et in cid e ah s dee ob lay esto pray sid ee um

Ímperet ílli Déus,súpplices deprecámur:
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Im pair et ee lay Day-ews soup-lay-chase day-pray-che-more

tuque, prínceps milítiæ cæléstis,
O Prince of the Heavenly host
too quay pren-cheps may-lee-tea-a che-lace-tees

Sátanam aliósque spíritus malígnos,
Satan and all evil spirits
Say tan um ah lee o squeece spear ee toose mah ling nos

qui ad perditiónem animárum pervagántur in múndo,
who wander through the world for the ruin of souls
quee ard per dits ee own um ani mon um prev a gon tour en mundo

divína virtúte,
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in inférnum detrúde.
thrust into hell
en in fair num day-too-tay

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[ADSUM]

Your comment: “Trust in Christ alone. All else is either a distraction, or sinking sand.”

That is not what Jesus told us.

“And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, broke it and gave it to them saying, “This is my Body which is given for you, Do this in remembrance of me.” Luke 22:19 The Mass and the Eucharist

“And you are Peter and on this rock I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, and whatever you mind on earth shall be bound in heaven...”Matthew 16:18-19 Christ delegated authority to His Church.

and many more.

So how does one accept God if they do no fully believe in His Word and ignores what He tell us?

[af_vet_1981]

No, the Catholic Church has stood up for the Gospel of Christ since the Gospel was revealed to His holy apostles in the First Century. There has been one holy catholic and apostolic Church, from the First Century until this day. It was not a candle hidden under a bushel, nor did the gates of hell prevail against it, for some 1500 years.

[ebb tide]

Should we Evangelize Protestants ?

Not according to the Francis:

Francis told Tony Palmer NOT to convert, ordered him buried as Catholic Bishop

Should we evangelize the Jews?

Not according to the Francis:

Catholics Should Not Try To Convert Jews, Vatican Commission Says

Should we evangelize the muslims?

Not according to the Francis:

Conversion is not your mission, pope tells Catholics in Morocco

[ebb tide]

Made him a Better Protestant......

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As her (Mother Teresa) biographer, I once asked her whether she tried to convert people. “She replied, ‘Yes, I do convert. I convert you to be a better Hindu, a better Christian, a better Catholic, a better Sikh, a better Muslim. When you have found God, it’s up to you to do with him what you want.”

[week 71]

Hmmm. Should people evangelize God’s grace is necessary for salvation (Catholic perspective) or should we evangelize God’s grace is SUFFICIENT for salvation (protestant perspective)? It is really not unclear what the Bible teaches.

[ADSUM]

Your comment: “The New Covenant is being born again and God having a direct relationship with us, not thru the church. The visible church has a role but without God’s Sprit within us we are deaf and blind.”

Yes, when we are Baptized and accept God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit and reject Satan, then we begin the process of our salvation. Jesus gave us the Catholic Church, the Mass and the Sacraments to help us find the narrow gate in our process of becoming holy so that we can have eternal life with God.

Jesus established a visible church - the Catholic Church and he told us He would be with us until the end of time. Jesus wants us to pray together as a community as the Body of Christ(Catholic Church) through the Holy Spirit as part of our sacrifice to God the Father in the Mass.

You must have missed the words of Jesus:

“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing then in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, too the close of the age.” Mt 28:19-20

[Hieronymus]

Maybe we should start with the Pope. Sigh.

[ebb tide]

A Lutheran’s love letter to Pope Francis

Perhaps it is an odd moment for Lutheran fan mail. Yet, ever since you became the Bishop of Rome in 2013, I have become increasingly convinced that you are the pope that Luther was looking for 500 years ago.

[Texas_Guy]

Because that wasn’t her mission. She had a very specific mission, especially her obedience to God with the dregs of humanity in a third world hellhole, and the fruits of that converted more people than we can know.