Posted on 07/15/2021 9:17:08 AM PDT by fishtank
“... the Younger Dryas event occurred and flooded everything...”
It kind of crosses the theories. The Jewish Bible, the Hebrew Bible or Tanakh, doesn’t specifically, or broadly, mention how the flood occurred, just that it did and God caused it.
The Younger Dryas event was formed in Africa and has produced some meteor hits that could have been involved as they say it was caused by meteorites or asteroids. But how do you prove it as there are other questions not entertained?
It was referenced that the entire surface of the earth was deluged in water. In order to cover the Himalayas, the amount of water required would be eight times the amount of water present on the earth’s surface and its atmosphere. This would require a 0.2% increase in the mass of the earth, resulting in a small change in the orbital pathway of the earth around the sun.
Such a vast amount of water would have crushed and killed virtually all plant life, and devastated life in the sea. (Not to mention another problem: Where could all that water drain to?) Therefore, the post-flood restoration process would have required a creative work almost as extensive as the original creation itself. Did the flood waters rise to a height of six miles above sea level and then suddenly just disappear? So the hard question is where di it come from and where did it go?
I’m clueless. I remember the priest in Rudy saying:
In 35 years of religious studies,” replies Cavanagh, “I’ve come up with only two hard, incontrovertible facts: There is a God . . . and I’m not Him.”
wy69
Isan’t there an inexplicable lack of fossil remnants in the Grand Canyon?
Jesus did too!
The Younger Dryas event didn’t dominate in Africa, not that it matters and the water was already here in inland seas and locked into ice. The earth didn’t need to be entirely covered in water to destroy life on the planet.
Even now if the sea lever were to rise 300’ most human habitation would end. BTW the sea level is 300’ higher than it was previously.
“Isn’t there an inexplicable lack of fossil remnants in the Grand Canyon?”
You bring an interesting point into the mix. According to the national Park Service in Arizona, they ask you leave alone fossils that apparently date back as far as 525 million years.
The sedimentary rocks exposed throughout the canyon are rich with marine fossils such as crinoids, brachiopods, and sponges with several layers containing terrestrial fossils such as leaf and dragonfly wing impressions, and footprints of scorpions, centipedes, and reptiles.
Ancient fossils preserved in the rock layers range from algal mats and microfossils from Precambrian Time 1,200 million to 740 million years ago to a multitude of body and trace fossils from the Paleozoic Era 525-270 million years ago.
https://www.nps.gov/grca/learn/nature/fossils.htm
Just more confusion.
In an article by Washington University’s David Montgomery he tosses another thought into it.
Some rock formations millions of years old show no evidence of such large-scale water erosion. Montgomery is convinced any such flood must have been, at best, a regional event, perhaps a catastrophic deluge in Mesopotamia. There are, in fact, Mesopotamian stories with details very similar, but predating, the biblical story of Noah’s Flood.
“If your world is small enough, all floods are global,” he said.
These questions about water capacity versus destruction of plant and animal life are so differently equated by so many people, how can there be any real answer to them?
wy69
“The Younger Dryas event...”
The only reason I mentioned it is because the study done was by African Scientists.
“...the water was already here in inland seas and locked into ice.”
I’ve been reading a number of studies and theories on this and the one consistency I’ve found is they can’t explain where the water came from. They can’t seem to find where it came from or where it went and those studies appear to have covered all available moisture on earth.
Additionally, a possible location of the ark after being beached is on Mt. Ararat in Turkey at about the 14K foot mark from what I’ve found. God knows how it got up there.
wy69
I can hook you up if you’re actually interested to know. If you’re relying on traditional academics you won’t learn anything except the usual pabulum.
So the tower of Babel was supposedly built 100 years after the flood, only a hundred years, where did all the people come from to build that if Noah’s family were the only ones to repopulate the earth.
Not 100 years but probably around 350 years after the flood.
Look in Genesis 10 at the generations of Noah. There’s probably at least 350 years worth of procreation before the tower of Babel incident in Chapter 11.
Here’s an article from a Jewish Rabi...worth reading to explain your question:
Noah, Tower of Babel, & Population Growth
Question: It is explained that Noah lived through 2 generations, the floods generation and the tower of babel. At the risk of sounding disrespectful where did the other people come from if everyone perished in the flood? Or were people of floods generation non Jews and Noah happened to live among them and only that nation was destroyed? Meaning that there would have been other Jews living elsewhere because the Ark might have landed at a different part of the world after the flood, that is where the he came in contact with other people.
Answer: That is a very interesting question, which forced me (much to my delight) to research population growth rates and how to calculate them. Jewish tradition does believe that only Noah and the others with him were saved from the flood; no one else in the world survived. So how were there so many people when the tower was built? Here are the results of my research:
Noah lived a very long time—950 years total. The flood occurred when Noah was 600 years old—in the year 1656 since creation, and Noah and the others left the ark the next year—1657 since creation. The incident known as the Tower of Babel took place when Noah was 940 years old—in the year 1996 since creation.
This means that there were 339 years between when Noah and the others left the ark and when the Tower of Babel was built.
The Torah notes that there were (at least) 8 people in the ark: Noah, his wife, his 3 sons, and the sons wives.
The next important piece of information we need is the average growth rate during those 339 years. Of course, we have no hard data on that. Worldwide, the average growth rate today is 1.14%. However, smaller countries have growth rates as high as 5%. I think its fairly safe to assume that with such a small starting population (only 8 survivors of the flood), the growth rate was on the higher side. Remember that birth control was not quite in vogue then. So I think a 3.5% growth rate is a safe assumption.
Next, we need the formula to calculate growth based on initial population (P), growth rate®, and number of years (Y). That formula is:
((1+R) ^ Y) * P
Plugging in our values:
((1 + .035) ^ 339) * 8
This yields a population at the time of the Tower of Babel of over 920,000 people! So even assuming everyone else in the world was destroyed save those 8 people in the ark, the world would have been quite populated by the time of the building of the Tower of Babel.
Even if we assume a smaller population growth rate, say 2.5%—which would be a very conservative number given such a small starting population—again, using our formula:
((1 + .025) ^ 339) * 8
yields a much smaller population of 35,000 people, but still not insignificant.
So, it does seem that the years between the flood and the building of the tower left plenty of time to populate the world.
As an aside, this also points out the power of compound interest rate growth.
Thanks for the opportunity to do some fascinating research. If you have any follow up questions, please feel free to respond.
Be well,
Rabbi Yoel Spotts
No anti-God bias there...
You have good questions. Instead of succumbing to being adversarial, just place a little more faith in what Christ provided at the Cross, than no faith whatsoever.
His Word is veritable.
When posed with paradoxical queries, place veracity on Scripture and question perhaps how one’s interpretation might being reading something in to His Word, which isn’t there.
Place it in His hands for guidance. (Be careful, if you have been adversarial or arrogant, the answer might be more shocking than you have ever considered.)
You don’t even know what contemporary flood catastrophe theory is positing.
For more information on Dr. Austin, please visit: https://bit.ly/34i18pj.
” and the entire planet was flooded by some 8,848 m (29,029 ft) of water”
No.
The mountains were lower before the flood.
That’s why you see seashells on mountain tops.
“I can hook you up...”
Thank you, no. I look at this as there will never be a definitive answer on anything until: 1. people rely on facts they know and not guess at, and 2. people don’t make a point of trying to disprove something until they just get bored and walk away. Or in the case of these studies, when the money runs out. The “mythology” was there first. So why did science go into it to disprove it? Sometimes sleeping dogs need to stay asleep. They’re happier that way. Too many questions, not enough answers. And the main ones providing the questions are those that are supposed to have the answers to their own questions. Nope.
I was looking for information while setting my own theology. I’m no more or less limited than most. But thank you. There are bigger fish to fry in our lifetime.
I recall studies which focused on the explicit Hebrew in Scripture, where the flood was caused by fountains from the deep. There is also conjecture of a water barrier over the atmosphere, which was pierced and then collapsed.
Just has the flood may have came from waters not on the surface, the sea floor may have spots where the waters receded back into the deep and the oceans now are closer to where they were upon the Deluge.
Gen 6 and history of Giants, Nephilim, and evil spirits also plays into the study.
If one doesn’t ignore the evidence, there is substantial evidence consistent with Scripture.
Pitch is off. I can’t hold altitude. She’s breaking up, she’s breaking up.
I recall studies which focused on the explicit Hebrew in Scripture, where the flood was caused by fountains from the deep. There is also conjecture of a water barrier over the atmosphere, which was pierced and then collapsed.
Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
If you read the Bible literally as I think it should be read you will find in the first chapters that God said come let’s make man in our likeness in our image, then a little later it talks of creating Adam and placing him in the Garden of Eden. Sounds weird but read slowly it is unmistakable
If read in chronological order it says exactly that. Adam means one who blushes or one who can blush or simply red man???
What I struggle with is if Noah or Adam and Eve didn’t exist, why did Christ mention them?
I promised to give you the last word, so not sure what you want.
I told my wife about you at dinner tonight. She said as long as you know that there are answers for these questions it is not my responsibility to be the one to change your mind.
Because you did not engage with the OP about the grand canyon I jump to the conclusion that you may be in a cognitive dissonance situation. One does not see that in oneself you know. Of course I have no right to say that to you, just telling you my thoughts. If you will look at these facts from the Grand Canyon and share your reaction, that is enough. Or drop it as you like.
Freegards.
Well we don’t know for sure since Christ never wrote anything down but I am sure they, the people that did write about him, had access to the Tora. Funny how people believe those that wrote the bible as the undisputed truth, yet, if someone today said they were inspired by God to write an article, they would be hounded as a scoundrel and heretic or false prophet. Why is it only ancient people can be believed.
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