The differences between traditional baptism and the new rite matter: here’s why

LifeSite News ^ | January 17, 2023 | Fr. Alexander Wiseman, FSSPX

[caww]

Water Baptism isn’t required for Salvation. Jesus’s conversation with the thief on the cross shows us this.

[ebb tide]

Apparently you don’t understand Latin.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

—> Apparently you don’t understand Latin.

No worries. Scripture wasn’t written in Latin.

[Alberta's Child]

I would make the case that Christianity was designed by God to be far more complex than the “simple faith of believers in the New Testament.” And that’s mainly because one of the defining characteristics of human nature is the progression and accumulation of knowledge over time.

If Christians over time were content to maintain that simple faith, then we’d be deprived of the great works of St. Augustine, the Summa Theologica of St. Thomas Aquinas, and the remarkable apologetics of John Cardinal Newman.

[ebb tide]

So how do you know your “bible” is a correct translation of the original?

And where does the original define “sola scriptura”?

[Romulus]

Sola scriptura isn’t even false. It’s incoherent. If scripture is the rule of faith, where is scripture to be found, and how are you to know?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

—> Sola scriptura isn’t even false. It’s incoherent. If scripture is the rule of faith, where is scripture to be found, and how are you to know?

All covered over and over on these pages for +15 years.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

—> So how do you know your “bible” is a correct translation of the original?

There are many translations spanning from literal to dynamic. All can be compared to the original manuscripts.

—> And where does the original define “sola scriptura”?

Shared with you at least 11 times over the years. Check your feed.

[Svartalfiar]

Used to be baptism was done in between Masses, or perhaps on Saturday. Priests live at/next to the Church, so they're there to serve the people.

Now, they only do one or two baptisms a month, as a group, you have to request participating, and it's sometimes in the middle of Mass. Just like Protestants.

[ebb tide]

“Sola scriptura”: it doesn’t exist; never did.

And why are there “many” translations of the Bible? They all can’t be true to the original.

And what in the heck is a “dynamic” translation? Is that like your “living Constitution”?

Now you’re talking about “interpretation”, not “translation”. And that’s where y’all go haywire.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

—> And why are there “many” translations of the Bible? They all can’t be true to the original.

I can see you’ve never translated, nor studied bibliology.

[ebb tide]

I can translate latin to english; something you apparently can’t do.

What’s your specialty? Klingon?

[ebb tide]

“Bibliology” isn’t in scripture; neither is sola scriptura.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

—> Bibliology” isn’t in scripture; neither is sola scriptura

Neither is Catholic.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

—> I can translate latin to english; something you apparently can’t do.

But has nothing to do with scripture, so …

I studied Biblical Greek and translation.

[MayflowerMadam]

“Priests live at/next to the Church, so they’re there to serve the people.”

That’s why non-RC pastors mostly live next to their churches, too.

[MayflowerMadam]

“Infant baptism is not in the New Testament.”

That issue is why my ancestor was burned at the stake in 1611 in England. He refused to baptize his infants.

[CraigEsq]

I am not familiar with the history of Lutheran baptismal practices, but I am too much aware of how, over the past century, they have swallowed general Protestant theology.

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The baptismal liturgy from the Lutheran Service Book (LCMS) can be found here, http://lsb.cph.org/samples/LSB_Sampler.pdf Not sure how much of that is swallowing general protestant theology or why?

[Fester Chugabrew]

The rite in LSB is decent, but it omits a procession from outside the Church, and omits exorcism, both of which teach/practice the Faith explicitly in terms of alienation by nature. Both the Lutheran and Roman Catholic rites reject the teaching the Holy Baptism is merely a symbol of commitment on the part of believers.