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[Catholic Caucus] Was Pope Benedict the Katechon for the Antichrist?
One Peter Five ^ | July 24, 2023 | T.S. Flanders

Posted on 07/24/2023 9:33:31 AM PDT by ebb tide

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You can tell a man by the company he keeps:

And by the company he rejects:

Benedict XVI’s Former Secretary Is Already in His New Residence, but Has Ministerial Limitations

As the Archdiocese announced on Monday, Dr Gänswein will not take up an office in the Archdiocesan Ordinariate or a fixed and permanent post in the Archdiocese.

1 posted on 07/24/2023 9:33:31 AM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 07/24/2023 9:36:25 AM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church's “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: ebb tide

Pope Francis was predicted to be the last Pope by the controversial Malachy Prophecy. The last Pope allegedly witnesses the destruction of Rome.


3 posted on 07/24/2023 9:39:47 AM PDT by Huskrrrr (Alinsky, you magnificent Bastard, I read your book!)
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To: ebb tide

How could Pope Benedict restrain him? Plus, Pope Benedict made Pope Francis pope, and went against Church tradition to do so.


4 posted on 07/24/2023 9:42:31 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

You might meant your post in this context, but Benedict didn’t and can’t choose his successor. Popes are chosen by the College of Cardinals. Of course, the outgoing Pope could have let his preference be known which might have swayed some Cardinals. I’m not sure, though, why fairly conservative Benedict would have been pushing for liberal Bergoglio (sp?).


5 posted on 07/24/2023 9:55:15 AM PDT by power2 (JMJ)
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To: power2

I am not saying he went around the college of Cardinals, I am saying he went against Church tradition and abandoned the Church. Without him, we would not have Pope Francis.


6 posted on 07/24/2023 9:58:25 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: power2

By the way, Bergoglio did not have a reputation as a liberal at all. Quite the opposite. He was know for having been beaten up in the Jesuits by fellow leftist Jesuits. He had the reputation of a conservative who somehow survived.


7 posted on 07/24/2023 10:00:24 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

If anything, BXVI and Bergoglio would seem to be, at most, akin to respective “types” or precursors of the true katcheon and Antichrist. Helpful to allow believers to deepen their knowledge and understanding of Holy Scripture.


8 posted on 07/24/2023 10:05:26 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: power2

Benedict so-called resignation was improperly only partial and thus apparently invalid.

So many decades of thinking and learning and this is what he does?


9 posted on 07/24/2023 10:08:56 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: power2
would have been pushing for liberal Bergoglio (sp?).

Before he became pope, Jorge Bergoglio was seen as anything but liberal.

In 1992, his Jesuit superiors, kicked him out of Jesuit housing because of his orthodoxy, his opposition to liberation theology, and his general continued tension with other Jesuits who considered him too conservative. His being made a bishop in 1992, was basically rescuing him from being under the thumb of Jesuit superiors who didn't like him.

From that point in 1992, until he became pope, he was completely estranged from the Jesuits. He didn't talk to them or visit them, and he was considered persona non grata

He was always considered very much part of the John Paul II Church.

10 posted on 07/24/2023 10:20:09 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: one guy in new jersey
Benedict so-called resignation was improperly only partial and thus apparently invalid.

Based on what? No pope is supposed to abandon the Church like Benedict did, but I don't see anywhere that makes it "invalid."

11 posted on 07/24/2023 10:21:06 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Benedict attempted to give up only the Petrine ministry (ministerium) or, in other words, what Pope DOES.

In doing so he made no mention of what he was doing or intended to do with respect to the Petrine office (munus), a.k.a., who or what the Pope IS.

By failing to recognize or properly take into account this Munus-Ministerium distinction, Benedict rendered his so-called resignation invalid. In other words, he remained Pope until his death.


12 posted on 07/24/2023 11:32:36 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: nickcarraway
Here's how one resigns an office:
13 posted on 07/24/2023 11:37:31 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: nickcarraway

I did not realize Bergoglio was not considered liberal. Thanks for setting me straight.

Do you think, as some do, that the liberals had something in Benedict and blackmailed him?


14 posted on 07/24/2023 2:46:26 PM PDT by power2 (JMJ)
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More horse-hockey from you, Nick. It's obvious you blame Pope Benedict, more than you do Bergoglio for the crisis in the Church today. But your feeble attempts to shift the bulk of the blame from Bergoglio to Benedict is despicable. Bergoglio has been rotten from the start. Your attempts to excuse Bergoglio's rotten past, to emphasize your contempt for Pope Benedict are despicable.

The Horror! A Buenos Aires journalist describes Bergoglio

Pope Francis’s Communist Mentor

Pope Francis has shown he’s not afraid of women with power

Talking to Javier Cámara y Sebastián Pfaffen, authors of the book That Francis, the pontiff acknowledged it was Ballestrino who introduced him to books from the Communist Party.

At her request, Bergoglio even hid some of them for her during the military coup that took down Isabelita. Had he been found with them, he would have been killed by the regime.

When the pope went to Paraguay in 2015, he met with Ballestrino’s two daughters, Ana María y Mabel Careaga. Talking about their meeting with the pontiff, they said they had been surprised, because Francis allegedly told them: “Your mother taught me to think.”

How about laying off Pope Benedict for awhile, Nick and instead focus on the elephant in the Church.

15 posted on 07/24/2023 3:30:17 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church's “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: nickcarraway

It was Pope John Paul II who appointed Bergoglio a bishop in 1992 and later made him the Archbishop of Buenos Aries in 1998.

It was also JP II who elevated Bergoglio to the college of cardinals in 2001.

Finally, the majority of cardinals who voted in the conclave that supposedly “elected” Bergoglio were appointed by JP II.

So why the contempt for Benedict and not JP II?


16 posted on 07/24/2023 3:54:45 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church's “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: ebb tide

If Benedict’s resignation was invalid, then +Francis isn’t the Pope.


17 posted on 07/24/2023 4:29:35 PM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: Campion
Regardless of that, if Bergoglio is a manifest heretic, he isn't the Pope.

Letter signed by more than 1,500 accuses Pope Francis of the 'canonical delict of heresy'

18 posted on 07/24/2023 4:39:32 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church's “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: Campion
BREAKING: Pope takes major step toward formal heresy
19 posted on 07/24/2023 4:46:58 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church's “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: ebb tide

True enough!


20 posted on 07/24/2023 6:53:28 PM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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