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"Why is the believing Catholic not subject to neurosis?" A question posed to Karl Jung in 1939
Gloria Romanorum ^ | January 19, 2024 | Florentius

Posted on 01/19/2024 9:07:39 AM PST by Antoninus

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To: xoxox
psychoanalysis and its related professions always struck me as being a secular counterfeit of sacramental confession.

Yup. It seems like Jung had that in mind as well.
21 posted on 01/19/2024 11:28:38 AM PST by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: Antoninus
There's a little possibility of confirmation bias there.

Anecdote. An elderly (even older than I — imagine!) lady in my former congregation lost a grandson to murder. She was ashamed to ask for help. She reproached herself for not being stronger. Reasonable people of good will may differ, but to me the reluctance to seek professional secular help prolongs a lot of illness.

22 posted on 01/19/2024 11:33:36 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Sta, si cum canibus magnis currere non potes, in portico. )
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To: Wuli

Sorry, was nit-picking ... or very nearly.

Currently wnduring physical therapy ans realising again that “solace” like “comfort” USED to mean something like “strengthening,” and now means something like “soothing.”

There’s a real sample bias here.


23 posted on 01/19/2024 11:36:39 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Sta, si cum canibus magnis currere non potes, in portico. )
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To: Antoninus

Yes I do.


24 posted on 01/19/2024 11:37:52 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Sta, si cum canibus magnis currere non potes, in portico. )
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To: xoxox

They’re not.


25 posted on 01/19/2024 11:38:21 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Sta, si cum canibus magnis currere non potes, in portico. )
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To: Antoninus

So, noting the sample bias problem ...

You’ll get no fight from me. Teaching is aeak and spiritual practice often misshapen or neglected. The parent in question was so wholeheartedly Pelagian that there was open disagreement with St. Paul.


26 posted on 01/19/2024 11:46:43 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Sta, si cum canibus magnis currere non potes, in portico. )
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To: NorthMountain

True. BUT, when does “political disagreement” devolve into sheer delusion??? Take for example, Trump Derangement Syndrome. While you can disagree with Trump, and still be sane, what if that same person goes off into Rob Reiner land, where Trump becomes a racist Nazi-from-Hell homophobe?

I think then you are dealing with actual mental illness.


27 posted on 01/19/2024 11:51:15 AM PST by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts. +Sodomy & Abortion are NOT cornerstones of Civilization! )
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You noticed that, also.

Count me in the crowd of mentally-ill who doesn't think the obvious and predictable negative consequences of a (not so) moderate amount of socialism will be fixed by going all-out Utopian Socialist.

Maybe we just need a higher-class of technocrat, more lawyers like Penelope here, to make it finally work.

28 posted on 01/19/2024 11:55:41 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (“There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach,” said one woman)
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Trump Derangement Syndrome

That has become a completely worthless BS term, as utterly meaningless as "racist", "sexist", or "homophobic".

29 posted on 01/19/2024 11:57:00 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: NorthMountain

I disagree. I think Trump drives some people off the Sanity Trail, and in a big way. He has become the personification of Evil to them. Way, way beyond the rational.


30 posted on 01/19/2024 12:02:47 PM PST by Penelope Dreadful (And there is Pansies, that's for Thoughts. +Sodomy & Abortion are NOT cornerstones of Civilization! )
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Yep ... political disagreement == insanity.

A lot of people on this forum see the likes of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton as the personification of Evil. Think about it.

Let’s stay away from Stalinist thinking.


31 posted on 01/19/2024 12:06:31 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Penelope Dreadful

People suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome are already head cases or psychologically fragile. Their pathological hatred of Trump is merely how the disease expresses itself.


32 posted on 01/19/2024 3:02:53 PM PST by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: NorthMountain
A lot of people on this forum see the likes of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton as the personification of Evil. Think about it.

Again, frothing political hatred is just one way that an already damaged mind expresses itself.
33 posted on 01/19/2024 3:04:32 PM PST by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: Antoninus

Interesting.


34 posted on 01/19/2024 3:08:06 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Antoninus

Can you identify instances of frothing political hatred against Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton?

BTW, I think Mrs. Clinton should be in federal prison, probably for the rest of her life.


35 posted on 01/19/2024 3:11:18 PM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: Wuli; Antoninus

Well, it is certainly anecdotal in the sense that this was Jung’s observation within his practice.

But Jung’s theory was that the perceived lack of neuroses had to do with Catholics availing themselves of Confession and the Mass...not just general religiosity.

In that respect, yes, it is about the religion. If someone has theological presuppositions, they will reflect the way that person lives his life.


36 posted on 01/19/2024 3:39:38 PM PST by Claud
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