The Church and Freemasonry: the Secret February 16 Meeting in Milan -- by Roberto de Mattei

Rorate Caeli ^ | February 22, 2024 | Roberto de Mattei

[Jamestown1630]

I think it’s pretty obvious that your source is highly biased - no different from the nonsense created by Philip IV and the pope to destroy the Knights Templar.

(But of course, you don’t believe history, so...)

[Jamestown1630]

You believe some very strange things.

[Ezekiel]

I have a Fifth Edition (1928) of his magnum opus. ~ 13" x 19" x 2" - thus with the color plates, all the original work. Never a dull moment for the simple data to discover therein, well beyond the philosophies presented.

Ben Zoma said: Who is wise? He who learns from every man, as it is said: “From all who taught me have I gained understanding” (Psalms 119:99)

From page XCIX:

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Though some controversy exists as to whether the Grail was a cup or a platter, it is generally depicted in art as a chalice of considerable size and unusual beauty. According to the legend, Joseph of Arimathea brought the Grail Cup to the place of the crucifixion and in it caught the blood pouring from the wounds of the dying Nazarene. Later Joseph, who had become custodian of the sacred relics--the Sangreal and the Spear of Longinus--carried them into a distant country. According to one version, his descendants finally placed these relics in Glastonbury Abbey in England; according to another, in a wonderful castle on Mount Salvat, Spain, built by angels in a single night. Under the name of Preston John, Parsifal, the last of the Grail Kings, carried the Holy Cup with him into India, and it disappeared forever from the Western World. Subsequent search for the Sangreal was the motif for much of the knight errantry of the Arthurian legends and the ceremonials of the Round Table. (See the Morte d'Arthur.)

No adequate interpretation has ever been given to the Grail Mysteries. Some believe the Knights of the Holy Grail to have been a powerful organization of Christian mystics perpetuating the Ancient Wisdom under the rituals and sacraments of the oracular Cup. The quest for the Holy Grail is the eternal search for truth, and Albert G. Mackey sees in it a variation of the Masonic legend of the Lost Word so long sought by the brethren of the Craft.

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The Holy Cup can be discovered only by those who have raised themselves above the limitations of sensuous existence. In his mystic poem, The Vision of Sir Launfal, James Russell Lowell discloses the true nature of the Holy Grail by showing that it is visible only to a certain state of spiritual consciousness. Only upon returning from the vain pursuit of haughty ambition did the aged and broken knight see in the transformed leper's cup the glowing chalice of his lifelong dream.

https://sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta23.htm

The kindergarten version of the Secret Teachings:

"In American contexts, Camelot refers to the presidency of John F. Kennedy." Camelot

"We choose to go to the Moon", formally the Address at Rice University on the Nation's Space Effort, is a September 12, 1962, speech by United States President John F. Kennedy to bolster public support for his proposal to land a man on the Moon before 1970 and bring him safely back to Earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_choose_to_go_to_the_Moon

I could go on..but this stuff is so different than modern conventional thought—whether religious or scientific—that it is like speaking a foreign language.

[cgbg]

I repeat my challenge:

“Go into the local Masonic lodge and denounce the Trans movement—and watch what happens next.”

[Jamestown1630]

Or I could just ask a Freemason. I’m sure we have some here.

[Jamestown1630]

Philosopher’s Stone.

[cgbg]

Talk from others is cheap.

The “Magic” needs to be experienced—up close and personal.

You will be shunned like you pooped in their living room.

[Jamestown1630]

Why should I believe YOUR cheap talk?

[cgbg]

You need not believe a word I said.

When it is time for you to learn you will learn.

[Jamestown1630]

Well, you've wasted enough of your superb intellect and vast esoteric knowledge here today.

Get back to your copy of 'The Protocols...'

[cgbg]

Lol.

Hate on what I said all you want—as long as you remember it when stuff starts happening that you cannot explain.

[Jamestown1630]

There’s an explanation for just about everything - but those prosaic explanations don’t align with your bizarre ideas.

[delchiante]

I doubt many here think they’re stupid.

But the US does have occult design in its own capital.The nice occult obelisk and pregnant dome building in DC gives off ancient occult sun worship vibes..

And it having a kindred spirit with the Antichrist Papacy with their own occult obelisk and pregnant dome building at its Vatican, is something that makes some go,hmmm...

[Jamestown1630]

What is your definition of ‘occult’?

[ebb tide]

It's pretty obvious that your masonic beliefs are highly biased against, not only the Catholic Church, but the Holy Trinity.

You refuse to acknowledge that the one and holy, Supreme Being is the True God: Father, Son and Holy Ghost. You refuse to even acknowledge Jesus Christ in your chants.

Your "supreme being" is the same as the Hindus and Muslims "supreme being".

The freemasons' "god" is some demonic "grand architect".

The True God (Father, Son and Holy Ghost) is the Creator: of Heaven and Earth; not some simple architect invented by evil people.

[Jamestown1630]

Again, Freemasonry is NOT a religion.

And there can only be One God, no matter what different peoples call Him. You and your church may think you have a monopoly on God, but billions of good and faithful people in the world don’t believe you do.

[ebb tide]

I know there is only one God.

But freemasons don't believe in that God when they refuse to publicly acknowledge Jesus Christ.

Why is that?

[ebb tide]

Freemasonry is NOT a religion.

Nor is Satanism.

You have a choice. Choose wisely.

[Jamestown1630]

In American Freemasonry, beyond the requirement that a Freemason profess belief in a Supreme Being, it is forbidden to discuss religion - or politics - within the Lodges. Such can be divisive, and destructive of fraternal ideals.

Again - there are Freemasons of many different religions. It is not a ‘church’, it can be likened rather to a philosophical organization.

[Jamestown1630]

I believe I’ve chosen very wisely; and your expositions here have frankly not convinced me that I should take your advice regarding my spiritual OR philosophical path and beliefs.