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Why Christians Don't Understand Non-Christians
ArGee | 1/3/01 | ArGee

Posted on 01/03/2002 11:19:13 AM PST by ArGee

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To: Junior
What if the person's never heard of Christ?
Gee, thanks Junior!

(Which side are you on again????)

141 posted on 01/03/2002 1:09:43 PM PST by Elsie
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To: soundsolutions
How can you possibly expect logical answers when you are talking about a subject that is based solely on faith?
142 posted on 01/03/2002 1:13:05 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: lexcorp
If 990 religions in a row are false, the chances are pretty good that religion 991 will be false as well. And by the time you get to testing religion 1000, it stands to reason it'll be false, too.

While this assumption is mathematically rational (in the best form of Solomonoff), it doesn't prove that your assumption will always be correct. The problem is that the rational choice and the correct choice are not always the same thing, so errors are quite possible. By the same token, to assert that ANY religion of the thousand is correct is irrational and all intelligent people should treat such an assertion as just that.

It is up to the individuals who hypothesize that a particular choice is correct to devise an objective metric that can be rigorously evaluated as rational in these cases. If the hypothesis is correct, the construction of such an objective metric must be possible.

143 posted on 01/03/2002 1:13:23 PM PST by tortoise
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To: soundsolutions
How can you possibly expect logical answers when you are talking about a subject that is based solely on faith?
144 posted on 01/03/2002 1:14:00 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
The reason being is the Hindus basically claim that we are all God, which is a very old pagan “old age” religion. Not to mention that you would be in real trouble if I were God, as I would be in real trouble if you were God. The claims of Hinduism defy logic, because we are all certainly not God. This does not mean that Hinduism has some minor truths within it. But when it comes to the essentials of knowing God, it truly misses the mark (which is what sin is).
145 posted on 01/03/2002 1:14:29 PM PST by soundsolutions
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To: soundsolutions;*BRAAD
Could be people are looking for truth. I don't know why they would not want truth. I don't know how most will recognize the truth when they see it unless they refer to the "Book of Truth". Does anyone have a book of truth? I have one called the "Bible" that I use. I believe it to be the only book of truth but what do you all believe? Is this religious discussion?
146 posted on 01/03/2002 1:14:34 PM PST by Khepera
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To: LuvItOrLeaveIt
That's a logical fallacy. In logical discourse, the claimant with the initial positive assertion is under the burden of proof. The person who claims some supernatural being speaks to people is under that burden, not I

Until some form of independently verifiable evidence is presented to support such an assertion, it is logical to dismiss such a notion as fallacious.

That never worked for me. Many people base their faith on personal experiences. Even though these experiences cannot by independently verified, they would be fools to ignore such experiences. For those of us who do not have such experiences, it is a matter of how much we trust the stories that we hear and the people who tell them.

This isn't just religion: Many of our beliefs -- aesthetic, romantic, even political to a certain extent -- are formed just the same way.

It is not foolish of you to reject religious belief, based on your experience. It is foolish of you to reject others’ faith and beliefs on that basis, unless you are going to reject other beliefs, based on unverifiable evidence, such as appreciation of a form of music or romantic love.

147 posted on 01/03/2002 1:14:34 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: ArGee
I'm not going to thank you for your other image, however. YUK! At least have them urinating in their own bowl.

There was actually a point to it--Who are the rich man's servers at the banquet?

148 posted on 01/03/2002 1:17:36 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith
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To: LuvItOrLeaveIt
Which is precisely why it is 100% safe to reject all of it as superstitious nonsense.

Call me NOW!

Miss Cleo
Why do we NOT call her? Because we KNOW that there are charletans that take advantage of the simple. We don't want to be simple, therefore, we don't call her.
Now, if there is a BIG splash in the Media about how 'accurate' Miss Cleo is, we 'might' try to call (if none of our friends would not find out.)

So it is with the Scripture. IF there were just SOME past prophecy that had come true, we might be tempted to check........

Nah, that's crazy........

149 posted on 01/03/2002 1:17:48 PM PST by Elsie
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To: soundsolutions
I was using Hinduism as an example only, please substitute any religion other than your own for the word Hinduism.
150 posted on 01/03/2002 1:18:25 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: Elsie
If 990 religions in a row are false, the chances are pretty good that religion 991 will be false as well. And by the time you get to testing religion 1000, it stands to reason it'll be false, too.

Faulty logic..........

If 990 coin flips in a row are tails, the chances are pretty good that flip 991 will be tails as well. And by the time you get to flipping coin 1000, it stands to reason it'll be tails, too.

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Just change the wording and you'll see...........

Ummm...no. If I flip a coin 990 times, and it comes up tails each time, I'm thinking I'm dealing with a loaded coin. I can't *prove* the coin is loaded, and given the nature of relgion, I can't prove that any or all them are false- but I reserves the right to be dubious...

151 posted on 01/03/2002 1:18:39 PM PST by fourdeuce82d
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To: Khepera
Does anyone have a book of truth?

How about The Koran?

152 posted on 01/03/2002 1:19:06 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith
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To: Elsie
My side.
153 posted on 01/03/2002 1:21:40 PM PST by Junior
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To: soundsolutions
The claims of Hinduism defy logic, because we are all certainly not God.

We could all be a god, who created the universe, in order to experience an almost infinite number of lifes. To do so, he makes himself forget that fact, each time he starts a new life.

I don't believe that; but there's nothing illogical per se about that.

154 posted on 01/03/2002 1:21:41 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: Junior
What if the person's never heard of Christ? He's doomed to eternal damnation? What about babies who die in infancy before learning about Christ? What about all the billions of folks who lived before Jesus walked the Earth, or died before he died?

Those are intriguing questions. I have a more intriguing one, though:
What about you?

155 posted on 01/03/2002 1:23:20 PM PST by sanchmo
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To: stuartcr
While there are many “truths” about God that can only be accepted by Faith, there also exist many truths that can be accepted by logic as well. God calls upon us to “reason together” he gives us plenty of evidence that he exists and when you can accept the simple ones first, then he will reveal many more mysteries to you.
156 posted on 01/03/2002 1:25:22 PM PST by soundsolutions
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
Y'know, one of these years I am going to remember that the word is "lives," not "lifes."
158 posted on 01/03/2002 1:26:51 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: ArGee
I'm sorry, are you under the impression that He is a beast of whom I am the master?

That's the impression you've been giving me.

I don't trot Him out, He comes when you call to Him. He is there for you to find. He desires a relationship with you.

Been there, done that, nobody showed. Got over it. Moved on.

But, as Jesus said: (Luke 16:31) "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"

There's your mistake. Luke said, Jesus said, and the guy pretending to be Luke wasn't even Luke! You accept third or fourth hand testimony. Even second hand testimony is inadmissable in our own fallible court system!

Even if He were to appear to you tonight, you would convince yourself you were dreaming.

Nice try, but it never happened before and it ain't happening tonight.

There is no more complete evidence than what already is. It isn't a lack of evidence that is bothering you, it is a lack of will.

In other words, you still have no independently verifiable evidence to present.

Open the eyes of your heart and you will see.

Been there, done that, nothing to see. Got over it. Moved on.

160 posted on 01/03/2002 1:27:46 PM PST by LuvItOrLeaveIt
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