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Posted on 04/19/2002 5:27:49 PM PDT by NYer

Great Prophesied EventsThere are three great prophesied events coming from the Garabandal events, the Warning (Aviso in Spanish), the great Miracle and the conditional Chastisement which will come if the world does not change after the Warning and Miracle.

The first of these three events to occur is the Warning. It will be seen in the sky and then felt interiorly by everyone on earth. No one will escape it.

At a moment in the not too distant future, when the world is in the midst of a great turmoil, everything will be held in suspension. At that moment, everyone will see the wrong they have done and the good they have failed to do. It will be extremely painful; people would prefer to die rather than go through it. But it will cause no physical harm. If a person should die, it will only be from the shock of the experience. The Warning will serve as a purification to "correct the conscience of the world" and prepare it for the great Miracle.

"As my Message of October eighteenth [1961] has not been complied with and has not been made known to the world, I am advising you that this is the last one.

Before the cup was filling up. Now it is flowing over.

Many cardinals, many bishops and many priests are on the road to perdition and are taking many souls with them.

Less and less importance is being given to the Eucharist.

You should turn the wrath of God away from yourselves by your efforts. If you ask His forgiveness with sincere hearts He will pardon you.

I your mother, through the intercession of Saint Michael the Archangel, ask you to amend your lives.

You are now receiving the last warnings.

I love you very much and do not want your condemnation.

Pray to Us with sincerity and We will grant your requests.

You should make more sacrifices. Think about the passion of Jesus."                              [PREVIOUS]  [NEXT]   

TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: blessedmother; garabandal; mary; miracle
A close friend wrote to me today, reminding me of Our Lady's appearance to the 4 children at Garabandal and her message. I have only posted the final warning, as it seemed so appropriate in light of current events. These appearances took place in the 1960's.
1 posted on 04/19/2002 5:27:49 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
I sit squarely on the fence regarding Garabandal and The Warning. Here is the text of a booklet written by a Passionist priest regarding the Warning:

the Warning (To be read as though the Warning had just come)

2 posted on 04/20/2002 10:51:57 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
That is amazing. BTTT!
3 posted on 06/15/2002 8:26:14 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: NYer
About the Center

Travel to Garabandal
Table of Contents
Garabandal Messages
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The Garabandal Story

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The Beginning Our Lady of Carmel More Apparitions
The Ecstasies The Observers New Phenomena
Miracle of the Host Greater Miracle to Come The Permanent Sign
The Warning The Punishment A New Message
The Last Apparition Fr. Luis Andreu

The Beginning
Garabandal is a small village in northern Spain, in the Santander province, near the Picos de Europa mountains, a rugged and beautiful setting. Its full name is San Sebastian of Garabandal. It is located 600 meters above sea level, some 57 miles from the capital of the province. To get there one must climb steep, poor roads. No more than 300 people live in Garabandal. The town is impressively quiet. There is no doctor in the town and no resident pastor at the parish church. The pastor from Cosio, the next town down the road, used to celebrate Mass there on Sunday.

In the evening of June 18, 1961, four girls were playing on the outskirts of the town - Conchita Gonzalez, Maria Dolores (Mari-loli) Mazon, Jacinta Gonzalez and Maria Cruz Gonzalez (not related despite having the same name.) Maria Cruz was eleven, the others twelve, and all were from poor families.

Suddenly they heard a loud noise, like thunder, and saw before them the bright figure of the Archangel Michael. On the following days the Archangel appeared to them again in the same place. He announced that on July 2 they would see Our Lady. This was the beginning of the Garabandal events.

Our Lady of Carmel
The news spread quickly through the region. July 2 was a Sunday and the town was crowded. There were people from all social levels and very many from out of town, among them several physicians and priests. At six in the evening the girls went to the place where the Angel had appeared, and to the surprise of the crowd they entered into ecstasy. Our Lady appeared to them accompanied by two angels, one being St. Michael. The girls described the vision as follows:

    "She is dressed in a white robe with a blue mantle and a crown of golden stars. Her hands are slender. There is a brown scapular on her right arm, except when she carried the Child Jesus in her arms. Her hair, deep nut-brown, is parted in the center. Her face is long, with a fine nose. Her mouth is very pretty with lips a bit thin. She looks like a girl of eighteen. She is rather tall. There is no voice like hers. No woman is just like her, either in the voice or the face or anything else. " Our Lady Manifested herself as Our Lady of Carmel."

At times the wind rustled her long hair which reached down to her waist. The girls spoke with the Virgin with the utmost naturalness. "We were telling her," they said, "about our tasks, how we were going to the meadows..." and "She smiled at the little things we told her." Our Lady showed them how to treat her: "Like children who speak with their mother and tell her everything...Children who rejoice to see her when they have not seen her for a while."

More Apparitions
After this first apparition there were many more. During 1961 and 1962 Our Lady appeared several times each week. The four girls did not always receive the apparition together. Sometimes only one, other times two or three of them saw the vision. Nor was it always at the same hour of the day. Our Lady appeared many times at night and even early in the morning, in an attitude of sacrifice and penance, at the same hours when Our Lord is most offended by the sins of men. Even so, the girls would arise the following morning, as early as usual, to work in the fields, carrying bundles of grass or wood, or tending the cattle and sheep, without showing signs of fatigue.

The Ecstasies
When the vision appeared, the girls fell instantaneously on their knees, striking the sharp rocks with a loud noise that was frightening, yet they showed no signs of injury. The expression on their faces was suddenly transformed. Their look became extraordinarily beautiful, sweet, one of profound mysticism. There are no words that can properly describe the change. They were completely absorbed in their rapture, unaware of anyone or any material thing around them except for each other. They did no react to pricks, burns or blows. All attempts to distract them failed. Powerful beams of strong light were focused on them, yet their eyes did not even flicker, blink or show any signs of discomfort. Quite the contrary, their eyes remained wide open , expressing a look of intense joy. However, when the girls returned to the normal state, they immediately shielded their eyes from those bright lights which under normal circumstances should have caused permanent eye damage.

During these ecstasies, which lasted from a few minutes to several hours, time did not seem to count. On many occasions they remained immobile in off-balance, beautiful "sculptured-like" positions, heads tilted back, eyes looking up, kneeling on the rocks or bare-legged in the snow. At the end of the ecstasy, they showed no signs of excitation or nervousness, just deep, profound peace and joy.

Participation of the Observers
Many visitors and villagers gave the girls various objects, such as bibles, rosaries, scapulars, medals, crucifixes, wedding rings, etc. for Our Lady to kiss. In ecstasy, the girls raised them up to Her and She kissed them. Then guided by Our Lady, the girls returned the items to their correct owners, even in cases where the person had first confided the object to someone else so the child did not know who the real owner was. Things "kissed" by Our Lady of Carmel have been the instruments of very special favors. Occasionally, these have emitted a mysterious fragrance like that of roses. "Our Lady says", Conchita wrote, "that Jesus will work miracles through the objects kissed by her. Those who carry or wear them with faith and confidence will suffer their purgatory here on earth."

While in ecstasy, the girls often carried a crucifix in their hand which Our Lady had kissed, and as She directed, they extended it for observers to kiss, blessing them with it at the same time. On seeing the girls approach, many witnesses experienced such a tremendous spiritual awakening, that it produced a very deep interior emotion in them. They cried unashamed tears, admitting the supernatural nature of what they were seeing, hearing and feeling within them, the very presence of the Mother of God. The conversion of unbelievers and those of different faiths, of souls suffering from religious indifference, the conversions of many sinners, all of which have experienced an increase in faith, hope, and charity.

New Phenomena
Soon after Our Lady of Carmel appeared, the ecstatic walks began. The girls went throughout the entire village - up and down stairways, in and out of homes, at all hours of the day and night, avoiding obstacles without faltering, guided solely by the vision. Frequently, they ran at great speed down the steep mountainside, even backwards, so that it was impossible for the astonished spectators to follow them. Their bodies did not seem to be subject to the law of gravity, but endowed with some sort of spiritual agility. During their high-speed running, the objects entrusted to the girls were sometimes lost. However, upon seeing Our Blessed Mother again, they asked as to their whereabouts and She told them where to find them.

The Miracle of the Host
Above the village is a steep hill on which stands a cluster of 9 pine trees. "One day," said the girls, "an angel with a golden chalice appeared to us at "The Pines". He told us to recite the Confiteor and then he gave us Holy Communion." This wonderful favor happened many times during those days when the parish priest of the neighboring town of Cosio could not go to Garabandal. It was possible to film some of these Communions, using very bright light. The movements of the lips and tongues of the girls gave the exact idea of a real Communion. On May 2, 1962, the angel told Conchita that God would perform a miracle so that all people would believe: they would see the Sacred Host on her tongue at the moment of Communion and that she should make this known fifteen days in advance. On July 18, 1962, the town was crowded with visitors. At midnight Conchita, who had remained in her home continually surrounded by visitors, entered into ecstasy and went out into the street. At a short distance from her house she fell down on her knees in the midst of the crowd. Lanterns were focused on her. She put out her tongue upon which nothing was resting, as everyone could see. In a few moments, a white host appeared on her tongue and remained there for a few minutes. A businessman from Barcelona, Don Alejandro Damians, standing less than three feet from the girl, secured some very good moving pictures. In the film there appeared 79 pictures of the extraordinary scene. This same witness wrote a report which he submitted to the Bishop of Santander, together with a copy of the film. The number of witnesses on this occasion was very large: there were people from different cultures and social classes. Don Benjamin Gomez, a farmer from Potes, wrote:

    "I was standing at less than an arm's length from the girl. I saw very well that her tongue was completely clean of everything. The girl did not move. Suddenly there appeared on it the Sacred Host. It was white, shining and resplendent. It reminded one of the snow when the sun strikes it with its brilliant rays. The girl's face was beautifully transformed into heavenly ecstasy. Her face was angelic I can certify that she was there motionless, moving neither hands nor tongue. In this motionless position she received the Sacred Host. We had enough time to contemplate this marvelous phenomenon without any undue haste, and we were many who saw it. I was an unbeliever until that day. I am not such a Catholic as to be subject to any hallucination or imagination. I had not concerned myself about God until then except to offend Him. I went to confession in April but previous to that time I had not gone to confession for twenty-three years."

The miracle of the host is a true confirmation of the apparitions of Our Blessed Mother in Garabandal and of the reality of her message. But a still greater miracle has been promised.

A Greater Miracle to Come
Conchita has clearly said that Our Lady has promised a greater miracle in Garabandal so that all may believe the apparitions and be obedient to the message. "As the punishment which we deserve for the sins of the world is great, the miracle must also be a great one, for the world needs it." It will occur on a Thursday on the feast day of a saint devoted to the Eucharist, at 8:30 in the evening, and will last for about one quarter of an hour. It will also coincide with a great event in the Church. The sick who come to Garabandal on that day will be cured, unbelievers will be converted. There will remain a permanent sign at "The Pines" as a proof of Our Lady's tremendous love for all her children.

"The sign that will remain," says Conchita, "will be able to be seen, photographed and televised but it will not be able to be touched. It will appear clearly that it is something not of this world, but of God."

Conchita has been granted permission by Our Lady to announce the date of the miracle eight days in advance. With the present means of communication and travel, eight days are sufficient for people around the world to gather. The day of The miracle may be the last opportunity given us by God and may be also Our Lady's last effort to save the world from the punishment already threatened.

Some time ago Conchita wrote, "The Blessed Virgin will not allow me to reveal the nature of The miracle although I already know it. Neither can I reveal the date of it, which I know, until eight days before it is to happen." Before The miracle takes place Our Lady has said that all mankind will receive a warning from heaven.

The Warning
Conchita wrote: "The warning comes directly from God and will be visible to the whole world and from any place where anyone many happen to be. It will be like the revelation of our sins and it will be seen and felt by everyone, believer and unbeliever alike irrespective of whatever religion he may belong to. It will be seen and felt in all parts of the world and by every person."

It will happen in the sky, no one can prevent it form happening. We will even prefer to be dead rather than to pass through this Warning It will not kill us. It will be a "correction" of our conscience. It will cause great fear and will make us reflect within ourselves on the consequences of our own personal sins. It will be like a warning of the punishment to come. In this way the world will be offered a means of purification to prepare itself for the extraordinary grace of the Great Miracle.

Jacinta was told by Our Blessed Mother "that the warning would come when conditions were at their worst." The date was not revealed to the visionaries, however Mari-Loli does know the year; and she said that The Miracle will happen within one year after The Warning.

The Punishment
If we do not pay attention to the message, the punishment announced by Our Lady will be visited on the whole world after The miracle. During one of their ecstasies the girls were heard praying for the innocent children but, nevertheless, they shed tears at the same time. Since the day they learned about the punishment they have developed a great spirit of sacrifice. They pray very much for sinners and for priests. They often say that if priests are not what they should be many souls will be lost.

Conchita has written: "I cannot reveal what kind of punishment it is except that it will be a result of the direct intervention of God, which makes it more terrible and fearful than anything we can imagine. It will be less painful for innocent babies to die a natural death than for those babies to die because of the punishment. All Catholics should go to confession before the punishment and the others should repent of their sins. When I saw IT (the punishment), I felt a great fear even though at the same time I was seeing Our Blessed Mother. The punishment, if it comes, will come after the miracle"

When Our Lady spoke to the girls of the punishment, her face assumed a look of great sadness. The girls revealed: "We have never seen her look so serious. When she said the words 'The cup is already filling', she spoke in a very low voice."

A New Message
On January 1, 1965, Conchita had an apparition of Our Lady who told her that on June 18, the fourth anniversary of the apparitions, she would be given another message. Thus, six months before the actual date Conchita revealed this promise of Our Lady.

On June 18 more than two thousand people gathered in Garabandal - French, Germans, English, Italians, Americans and Polish were among the people who joined the groups from different parts of Spain. The Spanish were in the minority, perhaps due to the fact the apparitions had received practically no publicity. The French constituted the largest group. There were journalists, TV cameras from the Italian TV network, and cameramen from NO-DO (the Spanish official documentary news program). Leaving her house at 11:30 p.m. Conchita walked to the road leading to the Pines to the place called the Cuadro. There she was rapt in ecstasy which lasted sixteen minutes. St. Michael appeared to her and delivered the message from Our Lady, which was made public the next morning. It reads:

    Message which Our Lady has given to the world through the intercession of St. Michael the Archangel. The angel said, "Since my message of October 18 has not been made known to the world and has not been fulfilled, I tell you that this is my last message. Previously, the cup was being filled. Now it is overflowing. Many Cardinals, many Bishops and many Priests are on the road to perdition and with them they are bringing many souls. The Holy Eucharist is being given less importance (honor). We must avoid God's anger with us by our efforts at amendment. If we beg pardon with sincerity of soul, He will forgive us. I, your Mother, through the intercession of St. Michael the Archangel, want to tell you to amend your lives. You are already receiving one of the last warnings. I love you very much and do not want your condemnation. Ask sincerely and we will give to you. You should make more sacrifices. Think of the Passion of Jesus."

From this message one can clearly sense Our Lady's disappointment at the scant attention paid to her message of October 18, 1961. The Blessed Mother shows her motherly concern for priests and the need to place the Holy Eucharist where it belongs - at the center of the mysteries of our Faith. To urge us to sacrifice, she recommends meditation on the Passion of Our Lord.

Our Blessed mother has told us this is her last message. Because of this she wants all her children to listen to her plea before The warning and The miracle. For the reason that she wishes it, we should propagate this urgent message as widely as possible.

Father Luis Marie Andreu
The only other person to see Our Blessed Mother at Garabandal was a 38-year old Spanish Jesuit Priest, Father Luis Marie Andreu. On August 8, 1961, Father Luis was Among the spectators at The Pines when suddenly he became an integral part of the Garabandal drama. He was heard to say, Miracle! Miracle!" Not only did he see The Virgin Mary, but he was shown the forthcoming Great Miracle. The children in ecstasy understood Our Lady to say to him: "You will soon be with me." Although, he had never had any history of serious illness, he died that same night of complete joy. His final words were:

    "Oh! What a sweet and lovely mother we have in happy I am... what a favor The Blessed Virgin has bestowed on me. How fortunate we are to have a mother like her in heaven!. There is no reason to fear the supernatural life. The girls have given us an example of how we must act with the Blessed Virgin. There is no doubt, in my mind that the things involving the girls are true. Why should the Blessed Virgin have chosen us? This is the happiest day of my life."
With those words, Father bowed his head and died. Our Lady has said, "that on the day AFTER the Miracle his body will be found to be incorrupt."

Our Blessed Mother showed special attention and concern for all priests, repeatedly asking that they come to Garabandal. She gave the girls the ability to recognize them even when they came dressed as laymen, revealing the state of their souls. She taught the children that priests were more important even than angels because by means of their ordination they have the power to change bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

The Last Apparition
On Saturday, November 13, 1965 Conchita had her last apparition of Our Lady in Garabandal. She gives the details in a letter of which the following is a literal translation:

    "One day in church Our Lady told me in a locution that I would see her on Saturday, November 13, at the pines; it would be a special apparition to kiss the religious objects so that I could give them away afterwards. I was anxious for this day to arrive so that I could see again the Blessed Virgin and the Child Jesus who have implanted in my life the seed of God's happiness.

    It was raining but it did not matter to me. I went up to the Pines carrying with me the many rosaries which people have given to me to distribute them... As I was going up I was talking to myself, being sorry for my defects, desiring not to fall into them again, for it gave me much worry to appear before the Mother of God without wiping them out.

    When I arrived at the pines, I began to take the rosaries out and heard a sweet voice, that of the Virgin, which you always distinguish among others, calling me by my name. I answered her 'what?' At that very moment I saw Her with the Child in her arms. She was dressed as usual and smiling. I told Her, 'I have come to bring you the rosaries so that you can kiss them.' She said to me, 'I can see it.' I had been chewing gum, but as I was seeing Her I did not chew it; I placed the gum on a tooth. She must have noticed for She said, 'Conchita why don't you get rid of the chewing gum and offer it up as a sacrifice for the glory of my Son?' I, a bit ashamed of myself, took it out and threw it on the ground. She said afterwards, 'Do you remember what I told you on your saint's day - that you would suffer much on earth?... Now I repeat it to you. Have confidence in Us. Then I added, 'How unworthy I am, O Mother of us, of so many graces received through you, and now you have come to me to help me carry the little cross I have." She said, 'Conchita, I am not coming only for you but I am coming for all my children, with a desire to get them closer to Our Hearts.' She asked for the things I was carrying. 'Give them to me so that I can kiss all you are carrying with you.' And I gave her everything. I was bringing with me also a small crucifix which I gave her to kiss. She kissed it and said , 'Put it in the hands of the Child Jesus.' And I did that and He said nothing. I said 'This cross I intend to take with me when I go to the convent.' But he did not reply. After kissing everything She commented, 'My son, through this kiss, will work wonders. Distribute them to the others..." Of course I will do it.

    After all this she requested that I tell her all the petitions for others which I had received. She said, 'Conchita, tell me, tell me things about my children. I have all of them under my cloak.' And I commented, 'It is too small and there is no room for all of us.' She smiled at this.

    'Do You know, Conchita, why I did not come personally on June 18 to give you the message for the world? Because it pained me to say it myself, but I have to say it to you for your own good and, if you fulfill it, for God's glory. I love you very much and I desire your salvation; to gather you all around God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Conchita, won't you respond to this?' I said, 'If I could be always seeing you, yes; but otherwise I can't because I am very bad...' 'You do all you can,' Our Lady added, 'and We will help you, as well as my daughters Loli, Jacinta and Maricruz...'

    She did not stay long with me. She also said, 'This will be the last time you see me here, but I will always be with all my children.' Afterwards she added, 'Conchita, why don't you go often to visit my Son in the Most Blessed Sacrament? Why do you let yourself be carried away by laziness and not go to visit Him Who is waiting for you day an night?'

    As I have written above, it was raining hard. Our Lady and the Child did not get wet. I was not aware it was raining while seeing them, but when I stopped seeing them I was soaked. I also told her, 'O how happy I am when I see you. Why don't you take me with you right now?' She answered, 'Remember what I told you on your saint's day. When you go before God you must show Him your hands filled with good works done by you for your brothers and for the glory of God; now your hands are empty.'

    That's all, I spent a happy moment with my mother from heaven, my best friend, and with the Child Jesus. I have stopped seeing them but not feeling them close. Again they have sown in my soul great peace, joy and a desire to conquer my defects so that I will be able to love, with all my strength, the hearts of Jesus and Mary who love us so much..."

    Conchita ends with this: "The Blessed Virgin Mary told me before that Jesus does not want to send the punishment in order to distress us but in order to help us and reproach us because we pay no attention to Him. And the warning will be sent in order to purify us for the miracle in which he will show us His great love, and in order that we may fulfill the message."

With this apparition of Our Lady, the cycle of apparitions in Garabandal closed. It will be definitely confirmed on a Thursday at 8:30 p.m. when The miracle takes place. This will mark the beginning of a new era in the history of the salvation of mankind.

4 posted on 06/15/2002 8:32:17 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: NYer; siobhan; american colleen; jmj333, sinkspur, smedleybutler; patent; Diago
Live links are available at "The Garabandal Story"

Phrophecy ping.

What do you think?

5 posted on 06/15/2002 8:37:03 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: NYer
I am sitting here in front of the computer with tears in my eyes as I read this story.

The message has come and is currently taking place in the Church.

I pray that the whole world will be awakened to this story.

6 posted on 06/15/2002 8:47:41 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation
I have thought it an important link between LaSalette, Fatima, and Akita. They affirm one another with similar themes: the importance and power of the rosary, and the special emphasis in the Eucharist..on a more mystical note it amplifies the presence of angels. They also emphasize the sacraments.

And a lot of it is the same message from the other apparitions, chiefly: A warning, Amiracle, and a chastisement.

I have read Bishop Beitia's statements from 1965 and he said that he found no grounds for ecclesiastical condemnation either in the doctrine or in the spiritual recommendations that were divulged.

7 posted on 06/15/2002 8:50:44 PM PDT by JMJ333
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Posted on another thread by Cap'n Crunch

Well, here you go. The Church just canonized St. Faustina Kowalska, the Divine Mercy visionary. Here's a quote from her Diary, the words of Jesus to St. Faustina:

"Write this: before I come as the just Judge, I am coming first as the King of Mercy. Before the day of justice arrives, there will be given to people a sign in the heavens of this sort.

"All light in the heavens will be extinguished, and there will be great darkness over the whole earth. Then the sign of the cross will be seen in the sky, and from the openings where the hands and feet of the Savior were nailed will come forth great lights which will light up the earth for a period of time. This will take place shortly before the last day."

So, there you have it, straight from Jesus to St. Faustina.

Here is some biblical reference about the heavens being extinguished.

Isaias 13: 9 "For the stars of heaven, and their brightness shall not display their light: the sun sall be darkened in his rising, and the moon shall not shine with her light."

Joel 3: 14 "The sun and the moon are darkened, and the stars have withdrawn their shining. And the Lord shall roar out of Sion...

Matthew 24:29 "the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give her light...and the stars will fall from heaven...

Mark 13:24 "the sun will be darkened..the moon will not give light...

Luke 21:25 "And there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and upon earth distress of nations...

A couple of saints who talked about the 3 days darkness.

Blessed Anna Maria Taigi: "There shall come over all the earth an intense darkness lasting three days and three nights...only blessed candles can be lighted and will afford illumination...the air shall be infected with demons, who will appear under alls sorts of hideous forms...During these three days the people should remain in their homes, pray the Rosary and beg God for mercy."

"St. Caspar del Bufalo 1837 foretold "the destruction of impenitent persecutors of the Church during the three days darkness. To him who outlives the darkness and fear of the three days, it will seem as if he were alone on earth because the world will be covered everywhere with carcasses." (pretty cheery)

Several other catholics told of the 3 days darkness but they are not canonized.

These prophecies are from the earliest centuries of the Church, and made by "heavy hitters." They come together like a puzzle, because they all touch on the same thing-that we are in trouble, and it appears to be coming soon.

54 posted on 6/15/02 8:47 PM Pacific by Cap'n Crunch
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8 posted on 06/15/2002 9:09:35 PM PDT by Salvation
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I had forgotten that I posted this in April. Today, american colleen was introduced to a woman in her parish who spoke to her about this. A neighbor told me about the garabandal story 3 years ago. She had just gone through a powerful conversion at Medjugorje. The story is believable and does follow the same theme as the messages from the other apparitions. What frightens me is the group of people who are so caught up in this. They listen to anyone who claims to have had an apparition, regardless of the church's stance. These include individuals in Canada, America, South America and the like. They are like fanatics.

If this apparition is true, then it will happen but in the meantime, we must continue to live our lives. Most importantly, we must pray. The "group" claims that we have been spared several times, as a result of praying the rosary.

9 posted on 06/15/2002 9:13:49 PM PDT by NYer
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Blessed Anna Maria Taigi: "There shall come over all the earth an intense darkness lasting three days and three nights...only blessed candles can be lighted and will afford illumination...the air shall be infected with demons, who will appear under alls sorts of hideous forms...During these three days the people should remain in their homes, pray the Rosary and beg God for mercy."

Wow! I am going to get some candles blessed!

10 posted on 06/15/2002 9:15:25 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation
I also took several jugs of water up to my church and had them blessed, then poured them around the perimeter of my home. It couldn't hurt! ;)
11 posted on 06/15/2002 9:17:19 PM PDT by JMJ333
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I'm not 100% sure but I think Our Lady, at Akita warns of a third world war. Do you know?
12 posted on 06/15/2002 9:38:22 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Salvation
From what I know the girl married a married man,am I wrong?
13 posted on 06/15/2002 11:32:15 PM PDT by fatima
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To: Cap'n Crunch
I do not think WWIII was predicted [don't hold me to that!] I do know that the message was almost identical to that of Fatima, and that a punishment that would "surpass the deluge" would be inflicted on us if we didn't shape up.

Mary said fire would be the punishment this time.

14 posted on 06/16/2002 7:13:15 AM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Cap'n Crunch; Salvation
As long as we're on the subject of punishment, I have been reading about an apparition site in Hrushiv, Ukraine, where apparently the Blessed Mother said "Chernobyl is a sign for the world."

In Ukranian, the word Chernobyl means "wormwood" (bitter), which also happens to be another name of Satan in revelations 8:10. [insert spooky music here]

I did a bit of research and found that Chernobyl, which is located on the northeastern Ukranian border only a few miles away from Belarus, has contaminated parts of Sweden, Poland, Finland, significant parts of Russia, Ukraine, Hungary, and The Czech Republic. That was just one plant, however there are 26 such plants in the former soviet union--and 9 should have been shut down years ago. I do not know if Putin has shut any of these dangerous plants down.

Asea, Brown, and Boveri [ABB]-- one of the largest electrical contractors in the world, says these plants are another disaster waiting to happen.

Not to be cryptic but..."And a third of the rivers fell...?"


15 posted on 06/16/2002 7:27:35 AM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Local Bishop says no evidence of supernatual event at Garabandal Garabandal
16 posted on 06/16/2002 8:48:33 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Salvation
Blessed Anna Maria Taigi: "There shall come over all the earth an intense darkness lasting three days and three nights...only blessed candles can be lighted and will afford illumination...the air shall be infected with demons, who will appear under alls sorts of hideous forms...During these three days the people should remain in their homes, pray the Rosary and beg God for mercy."

With all due respect, why are these messages proliferating of these threads? Private revelations have no doctrinal authority (Catechism #67) but are intended to help us live more fully in a certain period of history...

This is just private opinion, not private revelation, but I don't understand how "messages" such as these are supposed to help us. It seems to me they are more likely to panic folks.

Jesus left us all that is necessary for Salvation and many of these "messages" tend to make folks anxious and anxiety does not add one second to our lives, or the enjoyment of our lives.

These messages and alleged Marian apparitions have exploded since 1960 and I don't think it a sign of spiritual health. The Bible warns about those seeking signs...

Of course, I accept Fatima and any other apparitions approved by the Local Ordinaries and/or Rome, but H.M. Church, the Ark of Salvation is more than sufficient to sail me and thee into eternity...

17 posted on 06/16/2002 9:05:18 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: JMJ333
I also took several jugs of water up to my church and had them blessed, then poured them around the perimeter of my home. It couldn't hurt! ;)

It won't help either, other than to keep the foundation wet.

I'm amazed at the number of FReepers who are susceptible to superstition. The natural response of an intelligent person to apparitions and "messages from God" is skepticism, unless these meet the rigorous tests imposed by the Church.

All these warnings about punishment come dangerously close to equating the actions of al-Qaeda with judgments from God. Do you actually believe God is using Muslim fanatics to carry out His Divine Retribution?

18 posted on 06/16/2002 9:17:52 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Hi sink! I am glad to see you today. =)

Holy water is important in that it rebukes demons. St. Faustina said to use it often. I do. I believe in things other than what can be materially seen, but I didn't pour the water around my perimeter to ward of attacks from Moslems. I did it to ward off spiritual attacks on my home. I know you think I am kooky, but demons exist and they attack the faithful more than they do those who are lax in their faith.

19 posted on 06/16/2002 9:23:31 AM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
I did it to ward off spiritual attacks on my home. I know you think I am kooky, but demons exist and they attack the faithful more than they do those who are lax in their faith.

I don't know. Don't you think Satan would benefit more if he attacked people of weak faith,thus sending out the message the God "won't" help you? Which would help disolve the lax faith of a person even more.

I would think a person of strong faith under such attack would understand what is happening, and cling to Christ and his words even more.Just a thought.

20 posted on 06/16/2002 10:00:25 AM PDT by Codie
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To: JMJ333
"Aim at charity, yet strive after the spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. He who prophesies speaks to men for edification and encouragement and consolation. Now, I should like you all to speak in tongues, but still more to prophesy; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks in tongues."-St. Paul 1 Cor. 14:1,3,5

"The gift of prophecy is therefore, generally speaking, a proof that he who possesses it is a messenger from God."-from 'The Catechism explained'

I wait until the Church has ruled on any apparition. I think to call a canonized saint who prophesied "a seer" calls ones faith into question. Nothing has changed really I suppose, the prophets of the Old Testament were ridiculed and murdered also.

I've got a supply of blessed candles and holy water myself. I light one of the candles from time to time during special times during the year. Like that old saying "I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it."

21 posted on 06/16/2002 11:03:37 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: JMJ333
"And the word of the Lord came to Jonas the second time saying: Arise, and go to Ninive the great city: and preach in it the preaching that I bid thee.

And Jonas arose, and went to Ninive, according to the word of the Lord: now Ninive was a great city of three days journey.

And Jonas began to enter into the city one day's journey: and he cried, and said: Yet forty days, and Ninive shall be destroyed.

And the men of Ninive believed in God: and they proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth from the greatest to the least.

And the word came to the king of Ninive; and he rose up out of his throne, and cast away his robe from him, and was clothed in sackcloth, and sat in ashes.

And he caused it to be proclaimed and published in Ninive from the mouth of the king and of his princes, saying: Let neither men nor beasts, oxen nor sheep, taste anything: let them not feed, nor drink water.

And let men and beasts be covered with sackcloth, and cry to the Lord with all their strength, and let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the iniquity that is in their hands.

Who can tell if God will turn, and forgive: and will turn away from his fierce anger, and we shall not perish?

And God saw their works, that they were turned from their evil way: and God had mercy with regard to the evil which he had said that he would do to them, and he did it not."-Jonas 3

Good thing they didn't think the guy was a nut and dismiss him. And maybe we, like the people of Ninive, should be doing penance and maybe God will have mercy on us also.

22 posted on 06/16/2002 11:24:11 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Catholicguy
Hi guy,

I was just at TAN books website, they have a book on (now) Venerable Anna-Maria Taigi, entitled 'Wife, Mother & Mystic', it mentions that she had visions and foretold the future for over 40 years. That she counciled Cardinals and Popes and that her body is incorrupt.

The Catholic Encyclopedia has an entry on her that says she was blessed with "extraordinary" gifts from God, seeing the future one of them.

Here's an excerpt from a book I have about her: "She touched the sick and they were cured; she warned others of their approaching end, and they died holy deaths. She endured great austerities for the souls in purgatory, and the souls, once set free, came to thank her...He (God) gives her knowledge of the past, present and future. She declares that Pius VII will return. She sees even beyond the reign of Pius IX...

Pretty remarkable. I'll take her word for something.

Perhaps people may panic if they read some of this stuff. Perhaps that is best. I'd rather panic now, and do something about it, like the people of Ninive, than do nothing and really panic when it happens and then its too late.

I'm curious about your thoughts on Jesus's words to St. Faustina in her diary, which are along the same lines as Ven. Taigis.

Thank you Sir, and Happy Father's Day.

23 posted on 06/16/2002 11:49:27 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: JMJ333
Oh, almost forgot, I understand that many of those nuclear plants in Russia, which should have been dismantled, now sit idle with the radioactive material just sitting there, loosely guarded, easy pickings for anyone who wants to come along and take some of it to make nuclear weapons.

I also understand that if you want something in Russia, whether it be weapons, nuclear materials, whatever it may be, if you have enough money you can obtain it.

24 posted on 06/16/2002 11:57:54 AM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: Cap'n Crunch
It all has me reminded of the prophetic dream of St. John Bosco in 1862, where peace in the world would come only after a fierce battle in which the Pope would triumph by anchoring our Church to the secure pillars of the Eucharist and devotion to Mary.
25 posted on 06/16/2002 12:10:07 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Cap'n Crunch
I have read many of these messages myself. I think all of the words collected pale, in comparison, to one word spoken by Jesus.

I was just attempting to introduce a note of caution as it was my personal opinion the proliferation of publicising these messages, appartitions etc tends to unsettle folks.

We are told my H.M. Church to, often, meditate upon the Four Last Things. Many of these messages tend to isolate horror apart from thoughts of Heaven.

The Mass is the perfect prayer of the Church and it does not spend inordinate time trying to inculcate fire and brimstone within us. It is both a Sacrifice and a Banquet. Let's keep both in mind and not exaggerate one to the exclusion of the other.

We have nothing to fear (Man, I can't believe I just typed that.)

26 posted on 06/16/2002 12:14:09 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: NYer
Any updates on Garabandal? Medjugorje?
27 posted on 06/16/2002 1:02:51 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: NYer
Any updates on Garabandal? Medjugorje?
28 posted on 06/16/2002 1:02:52 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: JMJ333
ditto bump
29 posted on 06/16/2002 1:05:44 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Catholicguy
Jesus left us all that is necessary for Salvation and many of these "messages" tend to make folks anxious and anxiety does not add one second to our lives, or the enjoyment of our lives.

This is true. The Eucharist and a renewed respect and reverence is one of things mentioned in this apparition, however. No one can argue that point at all.

30 posted on 06/16/2002 3:09:46 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Codie
I don't know. Don't you think Satan would benefit more if he attacked people of weak faith,thus sending out the message the God "won't" help you? Which would help disolve the lax faith of a person even more.

I don't know about the weak people. Satan already has them.

Read about how Padre Pio suffered through attacks from the devil in one of the forums.

31 posted on 06/16/2002 3:12:46 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Cap'n Crunch
Like that old saying "I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it."


32 posted on 06/16/2002 3:14:41 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Cap'n Crunch
And maybe we, like the people of Ninive, should be doing penance and maybe God will have mercy on us also.

And saying the Rosary every day too.

33 posted on 06/16/2002 3:17:30 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
on the Garabandal website their is an update about the health of one of the four girls. It is under Urgent Request.
34 posted on 06/16/2002 3:24:47 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Catholicguy
We have nothing to fear.

Totally in agreement, Catholicguy.

But I do think things are going to get rough. However, we can't say we wern't warned - by Himself, yet!

35 posted on 06/16/2002 3:58:49 PM PDT by livius
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To: Salvation
I don't know about the weak people. Satan already has them.

I disagree,they are the ones who need the most reassurance as to the truth of the Gospels.

36 posted on 06/16/2002 4:06:28 PM PDT by Codie
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To: Catholicguy
Thanks for your answer.

I agree with you that the Mass is the perfect prayer of the Church. What a great gift Jesus has given us. I wonder if that study is true that only roughly 30-35% of Catholics really believe that Jesus is truly present in the Blessed Sacrament. That is scary.

I agree also that some 'gloom and doom' prophecies are very unsettling. Jesus spoke often of the fires of Gahenna (sp?) where there would be 'wailing and nashing of teeth.' I suppose there are many unsettling/unpleasant references in scripture also. I think that our society today has been so 'protestantized' that all we think about is the "health and wealth" Jesus. For instance, I know a woman down the street who thought it was OK to shack up with a man, in front of her kids. She said she'd still go to heaven, she'd "just have a few less jewels in her crown" when she gets there. Now thats scary to me.

I think we need a big wake up call in this country. I think God sends these saints with these messages for precisely that reason. At Fatima Our Lady showed the three children hell, and people falling into hell "like snowflakes", if I remember correctly so many were going to hell because no one was doing penance for the conversion of sinners.

I agree with you about the Mass, yet, I don't think we can totally disregard these warnings either, maybe a good balance is what we need. But, that's just my opinion.

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom"

37 posted on 06/16/2002 5:54:43 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: JMJ333
I have a book "40 dreams of St. John Bosco", the dream you mention is in there.

When I read about these saints lives, it just overwhelms me how awesome our God is.

38 posted on 06/16/2002 6:08:12 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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To: NYer

Hey, old thread but more and more the messengers, Catholic
and Protestant sound more urgent, the Great Waring is close,
could it be next year? Remember Conchita, the main visionary at Garabandal described the’s like two stars colliding but they do not fall.

Here’s another message given August 3rd about the Great Warning, a translation, posted at ~

St. Padre Pio believed and so did Mother Angelica who
founded EWTN.

Messages to Pastor Enoc

Call from Sacrament Jesus to humanity

August 3rd, 2012

Official Translation

The collision of two asteroids will form my glorious cross. The IMPACT will shake the earth and will MOVE THE EARTH’S AXIS, by shortening the time more and more. The Holy and Divine Will of my Father will not permit that these two asteroids crash with the earth, because if this happens would be catastrophic for creation and creatures. My Father will permit the collision in the space to show to men His Greatness and His Mercy for the goodness of mankind; in contrast of the disaster the mankind will see My Glorious Cross that will be shining in the sky during seven days and nights announcing proximity of the ‘Warning’.

My children, be prepare for this great event and do not be afraid; my Glorious Cross will be healing and redemption for many, but others will reject it, and many others will say that It is an unimportant celestial phenomena. The scientists will say it is a cosmic phenomenon as alignment of planets; but you my people know that it is a call from heaven to be prepared to awakening of consciousness.

My children, all events have accelerated for the evil and sin of this impious generation; therefore in His Holy Will My Father will send you these signs for you to reconcile with God, and to return as soon as possible to the path or your salvation. The Holy Trinity does not want keep losing so many souls by lack of knowledge. Be thankful to My Father because is big His love and eternal His mercy, that even knowing that you are a stiff-necked race, He will give you opportunity to come back to Him, for you to return the way which will lead you to the Eternal Life.

Again, I tell you, prepare my children, for your eyes will see events, never before seen by any eye; blessed you that although your wickedness and sin, My Father chose you for tomorrow, many of you, been His inheritors, His chosen people. Pray my children, with my Mercy Chaplet, do not miss my hour for I am granting many indulgences to the souls at this time or darkness.

My peace be with you, and my blessing protect you. Your father: Jesus of Nazareth; The friend who never fails.

Make known my messages in all corners of the earth

39 posted on 08/07/2012 8:00:54 PM PDT by stpio
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To: NYer; All

“Hey, old thread but more and more the messengers, Catholic
and Protestant”...

~ ~ ~

Our Lord tells non-Catholic Christian Shawn..”THIS DAY I DO A NEW THING NOT LIKE BEFORE. BUT NEW TO YOU. SOME HAVE WENT HERE BUT NOW YOU WILL....and...”1ST SPIRITUAL THEN NATURAL”...Jesus desires everyone to see something supernaturally, Our Lord’s talking about the Holy Eucharist.

Rather sweet, at the end of the message, Shawn says he doesn’t understand it all. ??

Come believe in the most Holy Eucharist, it is the pinnacle
of the faith.

Posted: 08/07/2012 at 4:03am

message to Shawn Ferguson



40 posted on 08/07/2012 11:39:51 PM PDT by stpio
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To: NYer

Isn’t it interesting, at Garabandal, the letter “A” was
given to Conchita concerning the coming Great Warning, is it an “asteroid”...? The Spanish word was “ajenja” which means Wormwood.

It’s celestial...

Another message about the “CROSS” in the sky, the seer is from Brazil, Light of Mary. Check and here’s the seer’s blog.

~ ~ ~

The Light of Mary

July 22nd, 2012

“It will be seen by all the inhabitants of the Earth.”

(Our Lord Jesus Christ) My beloved:


Do not walk in fear, be people of faith, do not allow yourselves to be confused.

Evolution has lead humanity to RETROCEDE in what is spiritual and in this instant. My children seek to fly without wings.

You ask yourselves about the severity of My calls, without seeing the urgency of My Love to rescue you before you refuse to see the Sun of My Love and the darkness seizes the men of little faith.

My Father called man to a change and man did not listen to His instruments: the Prophets. In this instant, this is what My Heart emanates for man: AN URGENT AND LOVING CALL.

My People must give witness for humanity: a witness of faith, of peace, of brotherhood, of authenticity, of wisdom. Do not wear yourselves out on what is temporary, do not give yourselves over to what is contrary to My Will, commit yourselves with true inner love to My Orders; they are those of My Mother: Help of humanity.

I order you to be a Holy People. My Mystical body must be holy. I did not reserve holiness for some, but for all. It is the true path, knowing that the path is joy not tears. Joy within the discouragements, setbacks, calamities, illnesses, sufferings, JOY AT BEING PARTICIPANTS OF AN OFFERING for the good of humanity.

My calls are for you to live in wisdom and to not be deaf or blind before the signs of this painful instant that humanity is living “now”. This must not distance you from Me, but must make you come closer so that you allow Me to protect you. Know Me before you evict Me from your lives. I search for you through all the paths even though these are the most steep and narrow, I search for you with Divine Love.

My Spirit is the Strength of My People, of each human being. Strength that unties the one enslaved by worldly vices. Strength that encourages the one who lies on the ground without hope. Strength for the one who cries out for salvation. Strength that breaks the snares of evil and leads you to resist before the tentacles that tempt humanity continuously, preparing the way for the one who will come to deceive My children.


Beloved children, continuing to trust and nourishing yourselves from Me, leads you to see with clarity. Man has put himself at odds with Creation, he has hurt it and Creation moans. It’s moaning leads man to pain, the Earth does not stop in its continuous shaking.

The air will vary its normal course and this will bring a marked and loud change of the seasons, before which man is not prepared.

The water has been contaminated, and will be again, physically causing havoc for man. Man is prey of his own technology, of his pride.

Pray, My children, pray for Australia.
Pray, children, pray for Chile.
Pray, children, pray for Mexico.

Pray, prayer is not empty, it carries petition, offering, praise, adoration, penance, and clamor. Do not pray only with words but with each good act towards yourselves and your fellow men. Pray turning to the call of evangalization of which all My children are participants.

I bless you.

Your Jesus


41 posted on 08/08/2012 8:03:19 PM PDT by stpio
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