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Cleveland Diocese Logo: Decapitated Dove inside a Rainbow Colored Triangle [not a joke]
Diocese of Cleveland ^ | April 28, 2002 | Diago

Posted on 04/28/2002 8:40:47 PM PDT by Diago



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Sadly, this is not a joke.

This is the official logo for the Diocese of Cleveland Gay and Lesbian Family Ministry.

Unable to decide between two perfectly good homosexual symbols, the Diocese of Cleveland decided to use both the triangle and the rainbow along with a decapitated dove for its gay and lesbian family ministry logo.

It is unclear what is the significance of the decapitated dove.

The logo also can be scene here:

Another Diocese Webpage With Logo and Mission Statement for Gay & Lesbian Group

Upcoming events where the you may be able to see the logo in person:

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Upcoming Events

Look for our information table at PRIDE 2002!
Saturday, June 15
Voinovich Park

PRIDE Interfaith Service
Sunday, June 16
5 PM
Trinity Episcopal Cathedral
E. 21st and Euclid Ave.

Retreat for Gay and Lesbian Catholics
September 27-29, 2002
Jesuit Retreat House, Parma

>More Information Coming Soon<

 

Gay and Lesbian Family Ministry - Catholic Diocese of Cleveland

| Home | Mission Statement | Parish Outreach Groups | Parent Support Groups | Other Forms of Support | Homosexuality and the Church | Upcoming Events |
| Contact Us | Diocese of Cleveland |

Secretariat for Parish Life and Development - Catholic Diocese of Cleveland
©2001
Contact the
webmaster

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Here is another thread discussing this group's activities including its promotion of Gay PRIDE events.

Embarrassed? Hell NO! Defiant Diocese of Cleveland Promotes Gay PRIDE Interfaith Service

Office of Bishop Martin J. Amos (Auxiliary Bishop)
Contact: Julie Johnson: (330) 762-9651
Click Here To Write Bishop Amos

Office of Bishop Roger W. Gries, OSB (Auxiliary Bishop)

Contact: Cheryl Zelenka: (216) 361-0873
Click Here To Write Bishop Gries

Another Diocese Webpage With Logo and Mission Statement for Gay & Lesbian Group

http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/gayandlesbianfamilyministry/mission/index.htm

1 posted on 04/28/2002 8:40:48 PM PDT by Diago
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To: Diago
They take pride in their sin.
2 posted on 04/28/2002 8:47:34 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp; history_matters;bradís gramma; IM2PHAT4U; CAGEY;sheltonmac;Askel5;DoughtyOne...
It is time to say enough. Please consider sending a brief e-mail to these two Cleveland bishops encouraging them to put an end to this nonsense.

Office of Bishop Martin J. Amos (Auxiliary Bishop)
Contact: Julie Johnson: (330) 762-9651
Click Here To Write Bishop Amos

Office of Bishop Roger W. Gries, OSB (Auxiliary Bishop)
Contact: Cheryl Zelenka: (216) 361-0873
Click Here To Write Bishop Gries

3 posted on 04/28/2002 8:52:01 PM PDT by Diago
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To: anniegetyourgun
Notice where that triangle points......down to the one they worship.
4 posted on 04/28/2002 8:52:19 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: Diago
Why cut off the head of a dove?
Now that's scary!
The dove is suppose to represent purity and peace, right?
5 posted on 04/28/2002 8:56:12 PM PDT by concerned about politics
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To: Diago
Good grief.
6 posted on 04/28/2002 8:56:32 PM PDT by patent
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To: Diago
WHY DOESN'T THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH SAW OFF THIS "DIOCESE" PRONTO. IS IT AN UNOFFICIAL WEBSITE?
7 posted on 04/28/2002 9:01:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Diago
May God have mercy upon these poor, demented and unenlightened souls.
8 posted on 04/28/2002 9:02:29 PM PDT by roachie
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Well at least they got the flight direction correct: downward, headed for a crash landing.
9 posted on 04/28/2002 9:03:20 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diago; patent; Askel5; sandyeggo; constitutiongirl
I will write letters and make phone calls tomorrow. This is simply insane.

Monday is the Feast of Saint Catherine of Sienna -- a good day for Third Order folks (Carmelites, Franciscans, Dominicans....) to write letters to bishops any way -- with St. Catherine's intercession and the Lord's blessing.

10 posted on 04/28/2002 9:06:21 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: Diago
I think it's a pterodactyl.
11 posted on 04/28/2002 9:07:07 PM PDT by apochromat
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To: apochromat
Now my eyes are getting tired and it no longer looks like a bird...more like a half-mask....like zoro lol
12 posted on 04/28/2002 9:12:12 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: Diago
The dove is not decapitated. It is a dove in abstract.

Some people used to find Commies hiding under every bed. Now they find queers. Enlightening.

13 posted on 04/28/2002 9:13:41 PM PDT by The Shootist
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To: Diago
"Saint Michael, the archangel, defend us in battle...
14 posted on 04/28/2002 9:21:04 PM PDT by tiki
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To: SouthernFreebird
This is what happens when the Church ordains sodomites to the priesthood... this along with a bunch of predatory mollestation. Who could find it surprising?
15 posted on 04/28/2002 9:23:03 PM PDT by Thundergod
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To: Diago
I'm actually speechless, but I won't be for long.

Thanks for the ping.

God bless and strengthen His Holy Catholic Church.

EODGUY

16 posted on 04/28/2002 9:28:35 PM PDT by EODGUY
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To: The Shootist
OK, so suppose it's only a stylized dove. This scarcely qualifies as "hiding under a bed." More like strutting around in broad daylight. The Episcopal and Catholic churches should both be ashamed of this.
17 posted on 04/28/2002 9:40:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Diago
The downward pointing of the triangle and direction of the strange looking dove are the opposite of the usual spiritual depiction. How can I say this? It appears to represent those opposed to Christianity and what it stands for. Now who might that be?
18 posted on 04/28/2002 9:45:14 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: goldenstategirl
A downward dove isn't of itself "satanic." A depiction of the dove that alighted on Jesus as he emerged from the baptism of John obviously has to be a downward dove. But, agreed, the usage of it here is blasphemous.
19 posted on 04/28/2002 9:49:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
But even when it's descending the head is usually pointed upward isn't it?

Anyway, agreed. Even that in and of itself is probably not Satanic. I don't know that I could say the same about the triangle though.

21 posted on 04/28/2002 10:19:03 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: history_matters
I will write letters and make phone calls tomorrow. This is simply insane.

Monday is the Feast of Saint Catherine of Sienna -- a good day for Third Order folks (Carmelites, Franciscans, Dominicans....) to write letters to bishops any way -- with St. Catherine's intercession and the Lord's blessing.

Thanks!

22 posted on 04/29/2002 5:07:14 AM PDT by Diago
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To: Diago
Unrelenting support of the homosexual lifestyle. Im not catholic, but I do support their views on certain issues.... But this cause me to shake my head at them. I am for bringing in gays into church to help them hear the gospel but I am not in support of creating gay groups so they can grow their sinful behavior.
23 posted on 04/29/2002 5:07:16 AM PDT by smith288
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To: apochromat
I think it's a pterodactyl.

I asked a few friends what this thng was. Unprompted, one said that "if it is flying up, it is a pterodactyl. If it is flying down, it is a decapatitated dove."

Any idea what a pterodactyl would symbolize?

24 posted on 04/29/2002 5:11:59 AM PDT by Diago
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To: EODGUY
I'm actually speechless, but I won't be for long.

We must speak up and fight for Christ's Church.

25 posted on 04/29/2002 5:18:33 AM PDT by Diago
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To: goldenstategirl
It appears to represent those opposed to Christianity and what it stands for. Now who might that be?

The perverse.

26 posted on 04/29/2002 5:43:10 AM PDT by Diago
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To: Diago
According to the bishop's secretary, the "Gay and Lesbian" ministry falls under Sr. Rita Mary Harwood who leads the Diocese of Cleveland's Secretariat for Parish Life and Development.

Call her toll free at the at 1-800-869-6525 x2200

27 posted on 04/29/2002 5:46:30 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding; Diago; Nubbin
A timeless message for Archbishop Pilla, Cardinal Law and some of the other American Cardinals and bishops:

"You are flowers who shed no perfume,
but stench that makes the whole world reek."
St. Catherine of Siena

28 posted on 04/29/2002 5:58:18 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: SouthernFreebird
I wonder when the RC church will take steps to excommunicate these types and disavow any affiliation with what they do.
29 posted on 04/29/2002 6:02:31 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
Please don't flame me without a thought process. Jesus went amoungst the sinners to do his work, right.

Before we condem, how can we be sure that this branch of the church is not trying to minister to these sinners. Just maybe, they want to get the sinners in and then work with them. Will a sinner come into a church on their own? Unlikely. If the organization seems to appeal to the sinner, he or she might get involved.

Unless a freeper actually attends one of this groups sessions, how can we really be sure what the outcome is.

30 posted on 04/29/2002 7:56:51 AM PDT by George from New England
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To: Diago
Sorry it is not a headless dove ... it is a demonic creature (a bat?) blazing in satanic colors.
31 posted on 04/29/2002 8:12:54 AM PDT by ex-Texan
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To: George from New England
The organizers of this group say the following:

Any Catholic who discovers that he or she is gay or lesbian remains a full member of the Catholic Church and is encouraged, as are all Catholics, to live faithful to the Gospel and to participate in the life of a parish community.

This doesn't fit with church discipline methods set forth in scripture. Sin in the camp is not to be embraced. (Just ask the Corinthians.)

32 posted on 04/29/2002 8:55:27 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: The Shootist; anniegetyourgun; gkbelloc; protectrunborn; history_matters
Some people used to find Commies hiding under every bed. Now they find queers. Enlightening.

Perhaps, but if you click on the contact webmaster above, you'll find out that the webmaster who created this page for the diocese is this page is this guy:

webmaster's homepage

33 posted on 04/29/2002 12:25:07 PM PDT by Diago
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To: gophack
ping
34 posted on 04/29/2002 12:25:33 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: Diago
Extinction?
35 posted on 04/29/2002 12:36:33 PM PDT by Flying Circus
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To: Flying Circus
Any idea what a pterodactyl would symbolize?

Extinction?

Makes sense. Perhaps that thing is a pterodactyl.

36 posted on 04/29/2002 12:43:35 PM PDT by Diago
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To: Diago
I read the link and I am disgusted beyond belief.

That homosexual man is working with children in the Church?!?!!!!!!!!

I don't understand how this wickedness goes on with an Archbishop's blessing. I do not understand, unless Archbishop Pilla is a homosexual himself or is simply trying to destroy the Church from the inside out.

37 posted on 04/29/2002 1:43:19 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: Diago
Huh.

Did you note the Men's Chorus members wearing priest and nun drag at the Halloween party?

38 posted on 04/29/2002 2:25:50 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Diago; All
Roger Cardinal Mahony has been hospitalized with a blood clot in his lung.

May God be merciful to Cardinal Mahony and bless him, give him the Light of God's face, and keep him in peace.

May St. Catherine of Siena intercede for him, and may the Lord Jesus Christ of his great and divine mercy visit Cardinal Mahony with His healing presence and the light of truth and peace.

Please join me in saying the Chaplet of Divine Mercy for Cardinal Mahony this evening at 8:00 PM Eastern (or at whatever time you can this evening).

39 posted on 04/29/2002 4:32:13 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea; Las Vegas Dave;
There are some additional interesting details on this thread. For instance, check out the link at #33.
40 posted on 04/29/2002 4:49:51 PM PDT by Diago
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To: Diago
I wonder how much of the money I've given the diocese over the years went to the artist who designed the gay, headless dove?
41 posted on 04/29/2002 9:41:39 PM PDT by GKBelloc
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To: Diago
Sure it's a dove and not Jonathan Livingston Seagull?
42 posted on 04/29/2002 9:51:18 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Diago
Any idea what a pterodactyl would symbolize?

I don't know, but it had a pointy, streamlined head that was probably largely hollow.

43 posted on 04/29/2002 10:37:18 PM PDT by apochromat
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To: Diago
Unbelievable.
44 posted on 05/03/2002 5:45:39 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Carl/NewsMax
Link to Actual Cleveland Diocese Website with headless dove in gay triangle


45 posted on 05/06/2002 7:34:20 PM PDT by Diago
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To: tiki; EODGUY; goldenstategirl; Notwithstanding; George from New England; GKBelloc; askel5; patent
I visited the Courage website which confirms that this group founded by Father Harvey does not use the terms "gay" and "lesbian." I am also quite certain that it does not use homsexual symbols like triangles and rainbows. Here is the explanation as to why:

From Frequently Asked Questions at Courage Website

Here are some answers to questions that Courage gets asked frequently. If you have questions you would like answered, feel free to send them to the webmaster at webmaster@CourageRC.net

We would be glad to answer your questions and they may end up on this page too.

Q. Why doesn't Courage use the terms "gay" and "lesbian"?

A. Courage discourages persons with same-sex attractions from labeling themselves "gay" and "lesbian" for the following reasons:

1) The secular world usually uses those terms to refer to someone who is either actively homosexual or intends to be. When a person decides to "come out" and say "I am gay" or "I am lesbian", the person usually means "this is who I am - I was born this way and I intend to live this way. I have a right to find a same-sex partner with whom to have a romantic sexual relationship." To "come out" as being "gay" or "lesbian" doesn't usually mean "I have homosexual attractions and I have a deep commitment to living a chaste life".

2) By labeling someone, we discourage those who may wish to try and move beyond homosexual attractions. Some people, especially young people, are able to further their psychosexual development with spiritual and psychological aid. If we labeled them "gay" and "lesbian", they might think there's no possibility of moving beyond these attractions.

3) There is more to a person than one's sexual attractions. Even if one experienced same-sex attractions for most of one's life, he or she is first and foremost a child of God created in His image. To refer to that person as "gay" or "lesbian" is a reductionist way of speaking about someone. We are even trying now to avoid using the term homosexual as a noun, or as an adjective directly describing the person (i.e. homosexual person). Although it takes more words, we prefer to speak of "persons with same-sex attractions". Fr. Harvey has said that, if he could, he would rename his first book "The Homosexual Person" to something else like "The Person With Homosexual Attractions".

There are people within the Catholic Church who might argue that those who label themselves "gay" or "lesbian" aren't necessarily living unchastely. That's true, but the implications of the terms in today's society don't commonly connote chaste living. Furthermore, they are limiting their own possibilities of growth by such self-labeling, and reducing their whole identity by defining themselves according to their sexual attractions. At Courage, we choose not to label people according to an inclination which, although psychologically understandable, is still objectively disordered.

Q. Why are homosexual attractions considered "objectively disordered"? Isn't that a harsh term?

A. The term "objective disorder" is a philosophical term. It is used to describe homosexual attractions because such attractions can never lead to a morally good sexual act. It is objected that if a man lusts for a woman or vice versa, this too is an objective disorder. This latter example is not an objective disorder, because, if the man or woman controls this natural attraction, and wills to express it in the natural state of marriage, it is a good thing. The term "objective disorder" may strike some of us with same-sex attractions as being harsh, because we feel that we never asked to have homosexual attractions and we fear that this term is in some way condemnatory or derogatory. It is important to remember that "objective disorder" is a philosophical term which describes a particular inclination - it does not diminish our value and worth in the eyes of God.

It is psychologically understandable that certain people struggle with homosexual attractions. The Church recognizes this and does not condemn people for simply having these attractions; however, the Church also teaches that homosexual acts are always immoral, and therefore, one must also accept that the inclination to engage in such acts is, philosophically speaking, objectively disordered.

Above all, we must keep in mind that homosexual inclinations do not make up our true identity as rational or Christian persons. We are first and foremost men and women created in the image of God - we are exceedingly precious in God's sight and we have been given the gifts of intelligence and free-will. We can live a life of union with Christ, through prayer, and we can know the peace of interior chastity. This is God's desire for us, and He continually gives us the grace to live it.


46 posted on 05/07/2002 6:42:35 AM PDT by Diago
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To: Diago; Domestic Church
Thanks Diago.

Domestic Church ... now I understand why someone can't be "gay" or "lesbian" and a practicing Catholic.

47 posted on 05/07/2002 7:32:31 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: gkbelloc
The following is quoted from the November 20, 1998 issue of The Gay People's Chronicle, a weekly newspaper in Cleveland.

Bishop to preside at Dignity prayer service by Doreen Cudnik

Cleveland - The Most Rev. Anthony J. Pilla, bishop of Cleveland, [Pilla was past president of the National Conference of Bishops] will preside at Dignity Cleveland's 25th anniversary prayer service, to be held in the Cathedral of St. John the Evangelist downtown.

Dignity invites all lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Catholics, their families and friends to join them...

The service is set for Friday, December 4, at 7 pm at the Cathedral, located on the corner of E. 9th and Superior Ave.

The prayer service will be followed by a reception with Bishop Pilla at 8 p.m. in the Rappe Room of the Catholic Center located on the Cathedral campus.

There will be a meeting on November 22, following Dignity Cleveland's monthly celebration of the Eucharist at the 10:30 a.m. Mass at Our Lady of Peace church at E. 125th Street & Shaker Boulevard, to discuss ways to make the December 4 prayer service a successful and spiritually moving event.


48 posted on 05/08/2002 8:17:49 AM PDT by Diago
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To: anniegetyourgun
Any Catholic who discovers that he or she is gay or lesbian remains a full member of the Catholic Church and is encouraged, as are all Catholics, to live faithful to the Gospel and to participate in the life of a parish community.

The big flaw with this statement -- and the crack that has opened the door to homosexual promotion not only in the Catholic Church but throughout our society -- is that homosexuality is something one "discovers" about oneself.

If a sinful propensity to commit homosexual acts is something one "discovers" about oneself, then that must mean one was "born" homosexual and therefore "is" homosexual and therefore should be allowed to engage in homogenital acts.

The false idea of "being" gay as opposed to "having" a sick and sinful inclination has opened the floodgates of perversion in the Church and all other facets of our society. The antidote to this widespread error in thinking is to recriminalize homosexual acts.

49 posted on 05/08/2002 10:16:36 PM PDT by notpc
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To: protectrunborn
bump
50 posted on 05/19/2002 8:38:17 PM PDT by Diago
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