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Diocese too liberal, book says [Supports Paid Pro-Homosexual Psychologist}
The Tribune Democrat ^ | 5/5/02 | SUSAN EVANS

Posted on 05/05/2002 2:44:56 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

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To: Renatus
Am going to visit the graves of my ancestors at St. Michael's Cemetery in Loretto and the cemetery in Conawego in early August. Hope I live that long.

I've always believed this to be a very virtuous and noble practice; something our consumeristic culture has BURIED and labeled archaic. I will pray that you make it there and then some.

God Bless,
TM

81 posted on 05/06/2002 7:01:02 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: Jeff Chandler
By the way, do you teach those new Catholics that the Church aught to be ordaining married men, or are you repectful enough to keep dissenting opinions in check during your ministry?

No. I bring in the married ex-Episcopalian priest convert from the neighboring parish and let him address the issue. He speaks about the charism of celibacy, and how his priesthood is lived out in the married state.

82 posted on 05/06/2002 7:23:49 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: ThomasMore
Their were many bishops at the council already weilding the modernist mantra, salivating at the mouth, ready to pounce on traditional Catholic teachings in favor of their modernist ideologies.

Every Catholic should read On the Doctrines of the Modernists. If only people had listened in 1907. If only people would listen today. My liberal pastor hates it, for obvious reasons. A small sample:

There has never been a time when this watchfulness of the supreme pastor was not necessary to the Catholic body, for owing to the efforts of the enemy of the human race, there have never been lacking "men speaking perverse things,"[1] "vain talkers and seducers,"[2] "erring and driving into error."[3] It must, however, be confessed that these latter days have witnessed a notable increase in the number of the enemies of the Cross of Christ, who, by arts entirely new and full of deceit, are striving to destroy the vital energy of the Church, and, as far as in them lies, utterly to subvert the very Kingdom of Christ...

4. It is one of the cleverest devices of the Modernists (as they are commonly and rightly called) to present their doctrines without order and systematic arrangement, in a scattered and disjointed manner, so as to make it appear as if their minds were in doubt or hesitation, whereas in reality they are quite fixed and steadfast. For this reason it will be of advantage, Venerable Brethren, to bring their teachings together here into one group, and to point out their interconnections, and thus to pass to an examination of the sources of the errors, and to prescribe remedies for averting the evil results.


83 posted on 05/06/2002 7:28:16 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Homosexual Priests: A Time for Truth
85 posted on 05/06/2002 7:47:40 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: sinkspur
If bishops and priests are supposed to "serve" the laity, why are they abusing their children? Why are cardinals living in palaces, and riding around in limousines and flying first class to Rome and staying in five star hotels once they get there?

You answer your own question, sink. A poster made the following statement:

THE BISHOP AND PRIEST IS CONFIGURED TO CHRIST AS HEAD AND SHEPHERD!!!!!!!!!!!!

You responded with:

"Yea, I know that. I learned that. It was ground into me."

The contempt you show for this most wonderful gift from God -the gift of the priesthood- is precisely indicative of the contempt many bishops and cardinals apparently seem to feel for this and other Church teachings. Church teaching, for them, just isn't hip enough, just isn't new enough. They want something that's exciting, something that isn't 'ground into them.'

And, so, they latch on to the exciting new theories in opposition to Rome, an attachment to wordly things, etc.

It's all quite sad, really.

86 posted on 05/06/2002 7:48:12 AM PDT by AlguyA
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To: Aquinasfan
"men speaking perverse things,"[1] "vain talkers and seducers,"[2] "erring and driving into error."[3]

Don't ya just love Pius X's candid fervor. He didn't mince words OR actions. BTW, he is the reason why I refer more to my 1913 edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia that any other reference. I was fortunate enough to be able to find a complete set for $800. Excellant condition. They came out of a seminary. The internet is nice (New Advent), but those volumes are nicer to read and also impressive in my living room.

87 posted on 05/06/2002 8:29:20 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: AlguyA
The contempt you show for this most wonderful gift from God -the gift of the priesthood- is precisely indicative of the contempt many bishops and cardinals apparently seem to feel for this and other Church teachings.

Contempt for the priesthood?

Oh, I guess, in your either-or thinking, my support for optional celibacy in the priesthood must mean I hate the priesthood.

I'm just thankful you didn't call me Judas or something.

88 posted on 05/06/2002 9:27:20 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
"Contempt for the priesthood?

Oh, I guess, in your either-or thinking, my support for optional celibacy in the priesthood must mean I hate the priesthood.

I'm just thankful you didn't call me Judas or something."

Just to reiterate (since it seems you have a great fear one will call you names) a poster reminded you that:

"THE BISHOP AND PRIEST IS CONFIGURED TO CHRIST AS HEAD AND SHEPHERD!!!!!!!!!!!!"

And you responded with:

"Yea, I know that. I learned that. It was ground into me."

Read your own words, sink, and tell me how I'm supposed to infer anything other than contempt for the teaching that the Bishop and Priest is Configured to Christ as Head and Shepherd?

89 posted on 05/06/2002 10:10:58 AM PDT by AlguyA
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To: AlguyA
Read your own words, sink, and tell me how I'm supposed to infer anything other than contempt for the teaching that the Bishop and Priest is Configured to Christ as Head and Shepherd?

You can "infer" any damn thing you want.

What I said was, I learned it, I knew it. I believe it. Which is the truth. Next time I'll put some pretty adjectives in my sentences so you'll be happy.

90 posted on 05/06/2002 10:22:13 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sandyeggo; constitutiongirl; Aquinasfan; Antoninus
COPPER SUNDAY ALERT!

91 posted on 05/06/2002 2:26:57 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: Doc Anonymous
Good bye Brian. God bless you and yours. Keep the faith!
92 posted on 05/06/2002 2:30:17 PM PDT by history_matters
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To: ThomasMore
Don't ya just love Pius X's candid fervor. He didn't mince words OR actions.

There's a lot to be said for plain speaking. His writing is sooooooo refreshing.

BTW, he is the reason why I refer more to my 1913 edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia that any other reference. I was fortunate enough to be able to find a complete set for $800.

A great treasure to pass along to your children some day. One of these days I'm going to get a hard cover Summa. Any advice there? New or used? What versions are the best?

93 posted on 05/06/2002 5:53:03 PM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
"pathologically homophobic"

I love this. Our 'scientific elites' think sodomy is normal and if you dare disagree with them, YOU have a mental problem. I think if I were in this guy's diocese, I'd be out protesting in front of his office at State College. He's a charlatan and an infiltrator and needs to have the heat cranked up on him until he runs away from the Church screaming like the evil spirits that Christ sent into a herd of swine.
94 posted on 05/06/2002 8:52:00 PM PDT by Antoninus
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To: sinkspur
Oh, I guess, in your either-or thinking, my support for optional celibacy in the priesthood must mean I hate the priesthood.

For heaven's sake! Where was celibacy mentioned in this article???? Johnny One-Note strikes again!
95 posted on 05/06/2002 9:04:29 PM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
Where was celibacy mentioned in this article.

It wasn't mentioned in the article, but the poster to whom I responded mentioned it in one of his posts.

Read the whole thread.

96 posted on 05/06/2002 9:07:25 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Aquinasfan
I normally buy my books used. First, because they are out-of-print(most of them). And second, they are out-of-print, because the older they are the less of a chance they have of being tainted with modernist thought.
97 posted on 05/07/2002 6:35:27 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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