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MESSIAH: 2030/ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN CONFLICT WILL ERUPT INTO SIXTH ARAB-ISRAELI WAR & BE OVER IN 2003!
May 22, 2002 | Clive Douglas Campbell

Posted on 05/22/2002 6:11:04 AM PDT by Clive Douglas Campbell

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada author Clive Douglas Campbell and Phoenix, Arizona, USA publisher Selah Publishing Group are pleased to announce the release of Messiah: 2030. Nobody knows the day and hour of the Second Coming, but the following years are on the front cover:

Messiah: 2030

Cluny: 1030

Jesus: 30

David: 970

Abraham: 1970

Noah: 2970

Adam: 3970

Messiah: 2030 claims the Bible prophesies a sixth Arab-Israeli war will be over in 2003 and include the following:

--the Palestinians will be deported to Jordan

--Israel will go to war with Jordan, possess Jordanian land east of the Jordan River and King Abdullah II will be killed

--Israel will go to war with Syria and possess Syrian land all the way past Damascus!

Messiah: 2030 also claims:

--the fall of the WTC towers is in the Bible and has a meaning

--Israel will have 20 years of peace after 2003

--animal sacrifices at a rebuilt third Jewish temple in Jerusalem will begin about 2020

--the Christian Rapture will also occur in 2023, followed by seven years of Tribulation and the appearance of Israel's Messiah in 2030.

Messiah: 2030 may be ordered from your local bookstore (Selah Publishing Group--garlen@selahbooks.com) or Amazon.com (see for more info) or by calling 1-800-917-BOOK in the USA. Price: $10.00 U.S.

(Erratum: all references in the book to "fifth Arab-Israeli war" should read "sixth Arab-Israeli war.")


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1 posted on 05/22/2002 6:11:05 AM PDT by Clive Douglas Campbell
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To: Clive Douglas Campbell
Evidently end-time prophecy sells (Left-Behind series)
2 posted on 05/22/2002 7:21:36 AM PDT by week 71
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It's just a bump for 2006.


3 posted on 08/18/2006 10:01:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Clive Douglas Campbell
--Israel will have 20 years of peace after 2003

Dead wrong on this one.
4 posted on 08/18/2006 10:06:09 PM PDT by Pro-Bush ("A nation without borders is not a nation." President Reagan)
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To: SunkenCiv; the-ironically-named-proverbs2; Jeremiah Jr
Messiah: 2030 may be ordered from your local bookstore

Good one to bump, SC. How about that all that peace going on in Israel for the past three years? ;-)

5 posted on 08/18/2006 10:38:32 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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To: Thinkin' Gal; Pro-Bush

:'D Yeah, the irony was immediately apparent. I found this in the STRINGTHEORY keyword while editing up another 'blog around here. :') The FReeper who started it posted just one message, the one which starts this topic, then never posted again.


6 posted on 08/18/2006 10:40:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Clive Douglas Campbell
OK, OK . . . .

We've got 87 Keywords and only 6 posts. What gives?

7 posted on 08/18/2006 10:41:20 PM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Thailand?)
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To: Clive Douglas Campbell
THIS is your first post after being here four years?

"Hojotoho! Hojotoho! Heiaha! Heiaha!"

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8 posted on 08/18/2006 10:44:15 PM PDT by decal (The Key To Flexibility is Indecision)
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To: decal

No, he posted his second day and hasn't been back since. SunkenCiv rescued this gem. Should be good for a few hundred posts now.


9 posted on 08/18/2006 10:52:27 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Thinkin' Gal

You can still be the first to review his book!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1589300270/102-1256883-0035318?v=glance&n=283155


10 posted on 08/18/2006 10:57:13 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido
Yeah, saw the date post-posting.

Darn that Professor Peabody - he just shoves me into the Wayback Machine now...

Sherman
11 posted on 08/18/2006 11:02:14 PM PDT by decal (The Key To Flexibility is Indecision)
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To: SunkenCiv

I have counted a number of Euroist Euros that posted here some years back and not posted again since. I wonder will they bother to come back to give round 2s and/or round 3s? ;-)


12 posted on 08/18/2006 11:04:54 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (The languages may be dialects, but America is different from the Anglo world due to US Founding.)
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To: Clive Douglas Campbell; kerryusama04; Diego1618; topcat54; ladyinred; Quix; Lexinom; bethelgrad; ...
The Lord has called me to be the Messiah.

This is a teaching/leadership position with the focus of publishing on the web Divine truth and battling falsity.

The teaching aspect leads to enlightenment whereby our mortal selves may be cosociated with heavenly, much as it was in the time of Adam. This will not be possible for all as they are slavery to their sin.

13 posted on 08/18/2006 11:07:05 PM PDT by DaveMSmith ("With everyone, Christian charity consists in his performing faithfully the duties of his calling".)
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To: Larry Lucido; SunkenCiv; aculeus; dighton; martin_fierro
Thanks! What a hoot. How about this gem:

Between probably 4 1/2 billion B.C. and 3966 B.C., the earth was further from the sun.

Sneaky devil, that aphelion.

14 posted on 08/18/2006 11:07:11 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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To: DaveMSmith

blasphame.


15 posted on 08/18/2006 11:13:10 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: Cvengr
How so... you have a scriptural challange or is this just a personal attack?
16 posted on 08/18/2006 11:15:08 PM PDT by DaveMSmith ("With everyone, Christian charity consists in his performing faithfully the duties of his calling".)
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To: DaveMSmith

Don't take my word for it, take His, through faith in Christ.


17 posted on 08/18/2006 11:34:18 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: Thinkin' Gal

That is pretty funny, and blatantly not true, if considering it from the standpoint of conventional celestial motions. The Earth is a bit farther from the Sun every year.


18 posted on 08/18/2006 11:47:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: DaveMSmith

Not my construction on reality by quite a margin.


19 posted on 08/19/2006 4:28:56 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
And that is saying that you don't believe in Christs return or that you don't believe my statement.

No worries either way, the truth of prophecy will bear it out over time. Within the next months.

20 posted on 08/19/2006 4:36:06 AM PDT by DaveMSmith ("With everyone, Christian charity consists in his performing faithfully the duties of his calling".)
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To: DaveMSmith

I'm a strong believer in CHRIST'S return.


21 posted on 08/19/2006 4:47:23 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: Quix
Who does your tagline refer to "LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS!" -- Jehovah or Jesus Christ?

My Church worships Them as one. A Trinity of ONE person who is the one God of heaven and earth, Jesus Christ who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Israel would never accept a Trinity of persons.

22 posted on 08/19/2006 5:09:43 AM PDT by DaveMSmith ("With everyone, Christian charity consists in his performing faithfully the duties of his calling".)
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To: Quix
I'm a strong believer in CHRIST'S return.

Rereading your post gives me the true spiritual sense:

I'm a strong believer in CHRIST IS return.

Typos do not just 'happen'. Your contraction was deliberate by your internal spiritual who is waking slowly.

23 posted on 08/19/2006 6:28:13 AM PDT by DaveMSmith ("With everyone, Christian charity consists in his performing faithfully the duties of his calling".)
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To: DaveMSmith

Sorry to tell you -- your statement sounds delusional.


24 posted on 08/19/2006 9:02:53 AM PDT by JockoManning (http://www.gravityteen.com)
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To: JockoManning
You have a beautiful profile page... I like Proverbs:

8 Do not correct a scoffer, lest he hate you; Rebuke a wise man, and he will love you. 9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be still wiser; Teach a just man, and he will increase in learning. 10 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding. 11 For by me your days will be multiplied, And years of life will be added to you. 12 If you are wise, you are wise for yourself, And if you scoff, you will bear it alone."

I see a Christian psychiatrist regularly and he's well aware of what the Lord has called me to do and doesn't consider me 'delusional'.

At the bottom of your profile page you have 'End' then 'Beginning' several times -- is there a significance to that?

Rev 21:6 And He said to me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.

25 posted on 08/19/2006 10:45:31 AM PDT by DaveMSmith ("With everyone, Christian charity consists in his performing faithfully the duties of his calling".)
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To: JockoManning

Go figure, antichristian thinking is frequently delusioned.


26 posted on 08/19/2006 10:47:50 AM PDT by Cvengr
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To: DaveMSmith

Again, you are deceived and attempt to deceive others.

There is indeed one God who reveals Himself to us in various methods. He reveals Himself to us in the Word and historically and livingly as one God, but three different persons.

The Son is one with the Father and the Holy Ghost, but that oneness doesn't imply the same person.

There will be, though, many antichrists who present themselves falsely as the Messiah in the end times. It would also be very convenient for them to defraud fellow believers by encouraging soulish thinking and lacking discernment between the persons of the Godhead, encouraging them to only consider false liars as having divinity even though they only displayed the attributes of a singular person or even convoluted with demon possession.

Israel will accept a Trinity of persons for a Millenium and more.


27 posted on 08/19/2006 10:56:41 AM PDT by Cvengr
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To: DaveMSmith
I suspect Quix was rather accurate in his statement. Christ's return in reference to the second coming. He already has been seated at the right hand of the Father. He has not yet been given His bride, but the rapture is imminent, not immediate, although getting closer all the time.
28 posted on 08/19/2006 11:01:00 AM PDT by Cvengr
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To: Cvengr
The Catholic dogma of a Trinity of persons is over. The Lord's New Church teaches a doctrine that Jesus Christ is one, and that we are in His image.

We all have beliefs in doctrine that we were raised with. I'm here to tell you what the people of Israel will be presented with.

As for attacking another's beliefs, that is NOT loving thy neighbor. Repent your sin.

29 posted on 08/19/2006 11:12:06 AM PDT by DaveMSmith ("With everyone, Christian charity consists in his performing faithfully the duties of his calling".)
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To: DaveMSmith

Then you may want to not attack the beliefs of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.


30 posted on 08/19/2006 11:19:53 AM PDT by Cvengr
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To: Cvengr
If you check Scripture and even the Apostles Creed, there is no support for a Trinity of persons. Further, Jesus Christ never taught that -- ever. Don't accuse me of attacking the Heavenly Father.

The whole Trinity of persons was hatched by the Nicean Council. The whole of the Athanasian Creed would be correct except for the plural of person.

31 posted on 08/19/2006 11:35:35 AM PDT by DaveMSmith ("With everyone, Christian charity consists in his performing faithfully the duties of his calling".)
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To: DaveMSmith

Glad to know you are talking with someone. Frankly, I think you're wrong to think you are a messiah or the messiah.

The use of "end" was put on my FReeper page to indicate the end of the page. I added "beginning" to refer to new life in Jesus.

You know, Jesus?

The One Lord Jesus Christ, only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, of one being with the Father. Through Him all things were made. For us, and for our salvation, He came down from Heaven. By the Holy Spirit He became incarnate from the Virgin Mary, and was made man. For our sake, He was crucified under Pontius Pilate, He suffered death and was buried. On the third day He rose again in accordance with the Scripture; He ascended into Heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead. And HIS kingdom will have no end.

That is the Jesus to Whom I refer.

jm


32 posted on 08/19/2006 12:37:16 PM PDT by JockoManning
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To: Cvengr

Wellllllll, hopefully they don't lead any little lambs down that delusional path with them.


33 posted on 08/19/2006 12:39:24 PM PDT by JockoManning
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To: JockoManning
Whose Creed is that?
34 posted on 08/19/2006 1:14:49 PM PDT by DaveMSmith ("With everyone, Christian charity consists in his performing faithfully the duties of his calling".)
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To: DaveMSmith

Baiting me? No thanks.


35 posted on 08/19/2006 3:28:45 PM PDT by JockoManning
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To: DaveMSmith
God has revealed the Trinity through His Word, through my thinking in faith in Him by His Word and by the indwelling of all three persons of the Godhead in the believer. If you are not a believer, then soulish thinking is merely the natural tendancy to account for these things which have been reported to you. We also may want to be aware that the malevolent deceiver may actually speak to us supernaturally attempting to counterfeit as a revelation from God. The Adversary and other fallen angels sometimes seek to be worshipped as God themselves. God, though, in eternity past has prepared a plan for each of us. Through faith in Christ, we are able to have a relationship with Him on His terms. Each believer is on equal status before the Lord in our regenerated spirit. We all have access and are priests to Him through Christ. This is a facet of our relationship with God which isn't counterfeitable by Artificial Intelligence. AI cannot regenerate the spirit. There is only one name under heaven as our Messiah it that is of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus. The whole Trinity of persons was hatched by the Nicean Council. The whole of the Athanasian Creed would be correct except for the plural of person. Interestingly, an eight year old girl who simply is communicated a portion of His Word, who thinks about only one of the three persons of the Godhead, and places Christ as her object of her thinking, a simple faith stretching just a little more than absolutely no faith at all, may then have a regenerated spirit, and born again into newness of life, having an eternal relationship with God established by Him and not able to be produced by any other.

Groups such as the those who developed the Nicene Creed, may have indeed recognized the Trinity, but then again any student of Scripture, who simply takes in His Word, thinking it, through faith in Him (after confession and turning away from sin for the believer) is now available for God the Holy SPirit to grow and sanctify both the believer's thinking (soul) and his spirit to understand the Trinity per His pace. I discern your posts are spoken as though from one who has no relationship with God, yet speaks from a soulish perspective. They might also simply be those of one who seeks to malevolently deceive, or one who lacks knowledge and has fallen into a form of arrogance. In either case, even more blessed are those who write through faith in Him.

36 posted on 08/19/2006 5:15:47 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: JockoManning
Baiting me? No thanks.

Would you consider the major and minor prophets, John the Baptist and even Jesus Himself delusional? Best not scoff too long, the end of the world is Tues Aug 22 by all accounts.

37 posted on 08/20/2006 3:28:55 AM PDT by DaveMSmith ("With everyone, Christian charity consists in his performing faithfully the duties of his calling".)
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To: DaveMSmith

No thanks.


38 posted on 08/20/2006 7:50:24 AM PDT by JockoManning (Listen Online http://www.klove.com)
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To: Cvengr
John 10:30 I and My Father are one."

I am not here to change your thinking. Worshiping three gods, however, is not a correct perception of the Lord Jesus Christ. If a person maintains an illusion of three persons or three gods, conjunction with the Lord is not possible. They will not become enlightened or regenerated until the next life where angels take great care to teach that God is one.

The Lord is not divisible by human beings. He is infinite.

I agree totally the Lord has a Divine plan for all. By understanding His Divine Providence, we can see the things in our past from a spiritual degree. During regeneration, this became very clear.

Luke 19:11-27 11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately. 12 Therefore He said: "A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten minas, F122 and said to them, 'Do business till I come.' 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, 'We will not have this man to reign over us.' 15 And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, 'Master, your mina has earned ten minas.' 17 And he said to him, 'Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.' 18 And the second came, saying, 'Master, your mina has earned five minas.' 19 Likewise he said to him, 'You also be over five cities.' 20 Then another came, saying, 'Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.' 22 And he said to him, 'Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?' 24 And he said to those who stood by, 'Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.' 25 (But they said to him, 'Master, he has ten minas.') 26 For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.' "

I know what the Lord has told me through reading and meditating on His Word and its confirmed in countless ways daily. I didn't expect to get a serious reception to my announcement but there it is. I post under my own name.

Eight year olds cannot have a regenerated spirit. Regeneration cannot take place before adulthood. The interiors of a children's mind are not developed yet. 'Original sin' is utter nonsense.

My faith does not allow for mysteries. The nature of the Lord, heaven and hell, his Church on earth and most importantly our own spiritual and celestial development -- our minds and how the Lord interacts with us -- is fully disclosed. We are not asked to beleive the unexplainable.

People of this nation want a true understanding of the Lord before they accept Him and Believe in Him. Trying to scare people will hellfire and eternal damnation does not work. The Lord leads those to heaven with freedom, love and reason.

Blessings,

39 posted on 08/21/2006 8:24:32 PM PDT by DaveMSmith ("With everyone, Christian charity consists in his performing faithfully the duties of his calling".)
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To: DaveMSmith
If a person maintains an illusion of three persons or three gods

One may speak of One God, and speak of Him in three persons, without worshipping three gods.

Consider the argument of de re-de dicto.

Bob and Julie are newlywed students. Bob studies hard and late at night, rising early to attend class and returns home after noontime. Every morning Julie arises a little later and walks up the sunlit lane to a bakery for croissant and coffee. Every morning about 830 she passes an elderly gent, who once introduced himself as Jim, walking his little dog and allowing her to pet the dog. They daily exchange pleasantries and talk about this or that over a three month period, smiling and amiably continue along their different ways.

Several months later, Bob has been cramming hard for a mid-term and remarks, "That miserable Dr. Smith, he knows we haven't covered this material in the course, yet he is failing everybody even though we slave without sleep, studying topics he never teaches us!"

Julie responds, "I have never met Dr. Smith, but surely he isn't that miserable, is he?"

Bob exclaims, "Of course you've seen him, everybody has seen him, he's an institution at this cruddy ol' place and probably will be buried here!"

"Julie responds, "No, I really don;t know who he is, but why don't we go have a croissant and relax until your exam...

Bob and Julie walk up the lane as as they approach the bakery, out around the corner comes Jim, walking his dog, surprising Bob, when Julie interrupts and says, Oh, Jim,..please meet my husband, Bob,..and Bob please meet Jim..."

At this point Bob looks at Julie aghast and exclaims, "You lied, you've known Dr. Smith all along!"

In this case one could speak about the same Professor as a different person, on of the subject and one of the object, nevertheless the same Professor.

40 posted on 08/21/2006 8:48:21 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: DaveMSmith

Once a child reaches the age of accountability, they may indeed be regenerated in the spirit. Some may be of early age before ten, probably after 5-7, many perhaps in their teens, but eight isn't unreasonable, IMHO, but it really isn;t between us, but between the man and the Lord.

You may find the doctrines of original sin, the old sin nature and natural man to provide considerable insight in Biblical history. I encourage you to study the topic.

For example, it isn't surprising that some homosexuals might document a natural proclivity to homosexuality, but they also have an ability to resist temptation through faith in Christ.

Even though God is infinite, He is still able to be the object of faith by even a young child.


41 posted on 08/21/2006 8:53:39 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: DaveMSmith
The interiors of a children's mind are not developed yet.

It is not the mind that is regenerated at salvation, it is the spirit. The mind is sanctified over time , also by the Holy Spirit, but by His plan and our remaining faithful and in fellowship with Him.

42 posted on 08/21/2006 8:57:11 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: Cvengr
Consider the argument of de re-de dicto.

Doesn't sound like it's from Scripture

Simple faith is lasting faith. The most spiritual people I know are simple -- they don't concern themselves with a Trinity of persons or three gods. They worship Jesus Christ in all His Glory and Dominion.

43 posted on 08/21/2006 9:07:31 PM PDT by DaveMSmith ("With everyone, Christian charity consists in his performing faithfully the duties of his calling".)
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To: DaveMSmith

Following the mind of Christ, we are led to consider the Father and the Holy Spirit, all one with Him, but perhaps your faith through Him is focused elsewhere, assuming it doesn't alter in His faith to the Father.

De Re/De Dicto and the dcotrine of Kenosis are well developed doctrines within the Catholic Church and time tested in Faith. You might find them worthy to consider in your studies.


44 posted on 08/21/2006 9:13:14 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: DaveMSmith

BTW, if you still consider yourself to be called as the Messiah, you might ask our Lord Christ Jesus, what part of "It is finished now and forever more", was not quite finished at the Cross. Of course if one is spiritually discerning, the person speaking to you might not be identical with our Lord and God, Jesus Christ who sits in heaven at the right side of the Father and who sent the Holy Spirit. It's for you to discern with that person, we have discerned as it as been provided.


46 posted on 08/21/2006 9:17:13 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: Cvengr
The Messiah announcement has been recorded now in several threads on the topic as well as 'end of the world' threads. This is for historical significance more than anything. It is far from 'ego' or any kind of identity for myself personally. I gave all that up several years ago.

My goal is to defeat the evils of the world as succinctly described in Revelation. It was completed in heaven in 1757 and now is the time for the manifestation on earth.

You know very little about me. You have never met me. You certainly cannot 'discern' a judgment on my soul or person. I posted what I believe to be true and correct. I've known this for 25 years -- it's written on my heart.

I am at a time in my life now that I can dedicate all my energy to my ministry.

47 posted on 08/21/2006 9:45:03 PM PDT by DaveMSmith ("With everyone, Christian charity consists in his performing faithfully the duties of his calling".)
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To: Cvengr; DaveMSmith

Now THAT's what you call a sola-scriptura absolutist! Dave won't believe that Israel hasn't been at peace these last few years unless you quote it to him where the bible says so. Bwahahahaha!


48 posted on 08/25/2006 1:15:37 PM PDT by dangus
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To: DaveMSmith

It's called a "possessive," wierdo. But I suppose your spirit guided you away from understanding the concept of possession.


49 posted on 08/25/2006 1:17:49 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Cvengr; DaveMSmith

DaveMSmith is the Messiah? Go figure. I doubt the moderators will consider it a personal attack if I suggest that I kinda thought the Messiah would be a little smarter. :^D


50 posted on 08/25/2006 1:22:41 PM PDT by dangus
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