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Bishops Actions Expose More Corruption
The Wanderer ^ | 6/27/02 | Michael S. Rose & Paul Likoudis

Posted on 06/21/2002 11:36:34 AM PDT by Antoninus

Addressing A Scandal . . .Bishops’ Actions Expose More Corruption

By MICHAEL S. ROSE and Paul Likoudis

  DALLAS — The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops’ summer meeting in Dallas closed with the bishops approving a "Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People," a shovelful of ground meat thrown to a media pack and victims of clerical sexual abuse demanding some sort of response to decades of clerical misconduct and episcopal cover-up.

  The bishops placated almost no one. Critics assailed them from both the left and right and in the long run, the only likely lasting results from the meeting are diminished credibility for bishops, an exacerbated priest shortage due to their new one-strike and you’re out policy, and an opening of the chancery archives to liberal government and newspaper prosecutors and persecutors.

  Within days of the dramatic meeting, which drew more than 700 journalists, bishops from coast to coast were announcing the latest round of clerical resignations and retirements.

  • In Albany, diocesan officials — just days after Bishop Howard Hubbard said there might be "one or two" priests in the diocese who would need to be removed — announced that 13 priests were under investigation on charges of sex abuse, nine of which go back as far as 25 years, four of which were made since February.

  "If the allegations are proven, the priests will be immediately removed under the church’s new zero-tolerance policy, and their names revealed," diocesan spokesman Fr. Kenneth Doyle told The Schenectady Gazette.

  Of the 13 priests, Doyle added, some are deceased and others have already been removed from ministry.

  • In Milwaukee, Fr. Marvin Knighton, who was a consultant for the archdiocese’s youth and child ministry office, was accused of improper sexual advances against a male student at the archdiocesan high school, Pius XI. He was charged June 18 with second-degree sexual abuse, but there is an interesting twist to this story: The student went to the archdiocese to report the abuse, which occurred in 1988, in February, and officials set up a meeting with Knighton and his accuser, and did not report the incident to the district attorney’s office until April. Victims’ rights groups claim that this case looks like "witness tampering."

  • In Chicago, archdiocesan chancellor Jimmy Lago announced that eight priests will likely be removed, but the most shocking allegation, via The Chicago Sun-Times’ Steve Warmbir and Frank Main, was that the late Joseph Cardinal Bernardin gave one of his priests, Vincent McCaffrey, 49, ordained in 1978, an $85,000 settlement to leave the Church. McCaffrey, now in jail pending a bail hearing, has been charged with possession of enormous amounts of child pornography.

  • A grand jury in Westchester County, N.Y., has accused the Archdiocese of New York of engaging in an "orchestrated effort to protect abusing clergy members from investigation, arrest, and prosecution"; and in Boston, a grand jury is considering similar charges against Bernard Cardinal Law and top aides and former aides.

  In the wake of the meeting, as a number of bishops mounted their pulpits to try to explain, apologize, and reassure their people, a Washington Post poll found that a majority of Catholics and non-Catholic do not believe the new guidelines are strong enough, and two-thirds of Catholics do not believe the new guidelines will "solve the problem" of predator priests.

The Meeting

  The "Charter for the Protection of Children and Young People," which passed 239 to 13, says "an alleged offender will be promptly relieved of ministerial duties and referred for medical and psychological evaluation." Moreover, "when an allegation is admitted or determined, past, present, or future, the diocesan policy will be that the offender will be removed permanently from ministry. If he is not dismissed from the clerical state (e.g., for reasons of advanced age or infirmity), he will not be permitted to celebrate Mass publicly, to wear clerical garb, or to present himself publicly as a priest."

    The bishops, however, stopped short of requiring that all those against whom credible charges of sex abuse have been made be removed from the priesthood, leaving that to the discretion of local bishops. The USCCB did, however, agree to require themselves to report all allegations of sexual abuse of minors to civil authorities.

  The approved policy is stricter than the policy proposed initially by a subcommittee led by Archbishop Harry Flynn, released a week before the meeting. The so-called "one-strike" policy no longer allows priests who committed only one act of abuse in the past to continue in ministry. At the same time, however, it no longer requires that bishops ask the Pope to defrock all priest sex abusers.

  Priest abusers, according to the approved policy, would be banned permanently from functioning as a priest, including wearing clerical garb.

  "From this day forward, no one known to have sexually abused a child will work in the Catholic Church in the United States," proclaimed Bishop Wilton Gregory, president of the USCCB, after the historic document was approved. "No free passes. No second chances. No free strike."

  Despite Gregory’s forceful statement, critics have pointed out that the new policy is only as good as the bishop who is enforcing it. Moreover, is instructive to note that the U.S. bishops did not call for measures that would discipline bishops who refuse to implement the new policy.

  One result of the meeting, which some bishops may come to regret, was the formation of a lay review board, headed by Gov. Frank Keating of Oklahoma, who put bishops on notice that any who had shielded predator priests should resign.

  "As a Catholic layman," he said at a press conference at the conclusion of the meeting, "I am horrified and angry and shocked and puzzled and amazed that such criminal, such horrific, such sinful acts could occur within my faith community. It is a horrific and pitiful statement that people who have been ordained to the ministry would do such things.

  "If someone obscures, absolves, obstructs, or hides that criminal act, arguably they are obstructing justice or are accessories to the crime," said the governor, who is a strong proponent of the death penalty.

  The board is designed, at least theoretically, to monitor whether the nation’s 195 dioceses implement the bishops’ new clergy sexual abuse policy.

  According to Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz of Lincoln, Neb., commenting after the bishops’ conference, the review board has no authority to make bishops comply with the new national policy. "The only thing they can do," he explained, "is publish the names of the dioceses that aren’t complying, and hope that public pressure will force their hands." In his June 18 report for National Review Online, the contrite former dissenter Michael Novak traced the bishops’ current troubles back to the revolt against Humanae Vitae, and their cowardice in the face of a massive, highly organized, and well-financed dissent against the Church’s moral teaching.

A Rupture

  Gregory, the bishop of Belleville, Ill., opened the three-day conference by offering a number of heartfelt apologies — to the victims of sexual abuse, their parents and families, to faithful priests, and to the laity — in his own name and in the name of the U.S. bishops. In his opening remarks he also laid the blame squarely on the shoulders of the U.S. bishops.

  Bishop Gregory defined the crisis as a profound loss of confidence in the bishops by the Catholic faithful who count on their moral leadership. "What we are facing is not a breakdown in belief," he said, "but a rupture in our relationship as bishops with the faithful."

  Addressing his brother bishops, Gregory said, "If there is any bishop who has sexually abused a child or young person, I ask you to report this fact to the nunciature so that justice and the Church will be served, and you will be able to live honestly with your own conscience."

  He urged priests responsible for sexually abusing a minor — which he called a crime — to report this to their bishop.

  Furthering his call for full disclosure, he also encouraged victims of sexual abuse by priests to report the abuse to their local bishop and to the appropriate civil authorities.

  Scott Appleby, associate professor of history at the University of Notre Dame, and Margaret O’Brien Steinfels, editor of the dissenting journal Commonweal (who was once invited by the late Cardinal Bernardin to address his priests on the need for women’s ordination), were called upon to offer the laity’s view of the crisis. Both Appleby and Steinfels are well-known liberal intellectuals who have never been particularly stalwart defenders of the Catholic teaching on sexual morality.

  After denigrating the role of the media — suggesting that reporters approach the present crisis with pre-existing story lines and invisible headlines that read "See, We Told You So" — Appleby recognized that the media have not created the scandal. "That the media have focused with such intensity on the scandal is a kind of testimony, odd though it may be" he said, "to the fact that American society rightly expects more of the Church — more purity, more fidelity to the Gospel, more compassion, more holiness."

  Both Appleby and Steinfels were straightforward in their addresses, making it clear that they blamed the bishops for the scandals.

Can’t See That Elephant

  One issue of gravest importance was categorically dismissed by the vast majority of U.S. bishops: homosexuality in the ranks of the priesthood. Well over 90% of the victims in abuse cases involving priests were adolescent boys, indicating not a problem of pedophilia — abuse against pre-pubescent boys and girls — but of ephebophilia, or predatory homosexuality.

  Just as the bishops met in Dallas, the Holy See released a new, 57-page document, approved by Pope John Paul II, called Starting Afresh From Christ, a Renewed Commitment to Consecrated Life in the Third Millennium, which calls on bishops to better scrutinize candidates for the priesthood, and to insist on high ideals "and the profound demands of holiness."

  The new instruction says prospective priests must accept fully what it called the "evangelical counsels of chastity, poverty, and obedience," which it described as a "powerful antidote to the pollution of spirit, life, and culture."

  When Bishop Bruskewitz appealed for a commission to study the relation of homosexual clergy and theological dissent to the sex abuse scandals, he was voted down by his brother bishops, who have studiously ignored making the obvious connection.

  In fact, on the eve of the conference, Archbishop Flynn appeared on Nightline with Ted Koppel. Representing the subcommittee that drafted the proposed document on sex abuse, he told Koppel that the bishops would not be discussing the issue of gay priests because, at least in his opinion, there was no relevance.

  During the conference, one bishop told The Wanderer that the main reason that the U.S. bishops don’t want to broach the subject of homosexuality is because "many of them don’t really see anything wrong with gay priests — active or not."

  "They’re upset about the bad publicity the scandals receive," he added, "but a lot of them aren’t particularly distressed by the idea of actively gay priests."

  In a media briefing on canon law, a reporter for the Village Voice who is a well-known gay rights activist, asked the bishops and their canon law advisers about the 1961 Vatican document barring homosexuals from Ordination to the priesthood. They were quick to distance themselves from the Vatican teaching. Their response: "Nothing in canon law bars homosexuals from being ordained priests."

  In his June 19-25 report for the Village Voice, Andy Humm predicted that "purging gays" from the priesthood "won’t be easy, since they populate everything from the Vatican curia to local parishes. This may be one reason why the bishops didn’t bring up the subject of homosexuality. But they did broach the topic of chastity and celibacy. The two words don’t necessarily mean the same thing to priests: Celibacy is a promise not to marry; chastity is a vow to be sexually abstinent. At the conference, the bishops made it clear that both commitments will be taken more seriously. ‘There will be clear and well-publicized diocesan standards of ministerial behavior,’ reads the bishops’ document."

  Humm also indicated that the gay priests he interviewed for his report don’t expect to be purged, because most bishops are "if nothing else, ‘protective of their priests’. . . . In order to be a bishop, [one gay priest] said, you need a highly developed capacity for denial.

  "A younger gay priest predicted," Humm continued, "‘People like me will get fed up and leave. Enough is enough. It is not healthy on many levels to be a part of this family. Given the current leadership, there is no hope.’ This priest has a partner and is leaving, but he knows gay priests who struggle to fulfill their promise to be celibate and chaste."

  In a related matter, the bishops ignored a significant contribution that deals with some of the damage as proposed by the Catholic Medical Association (CMA), written on behalf of the CMA by a Catholic psychologist and a Catholic psychiatrist.

  These two professionals, who have treated a significant number of priests from various dioceses and religious communities over the past 25 years for same-sex attraction (SSA or homosexuality) and for pedophilia and ephebophilia (homosexual behavior with adolescents), advised the bishops that homosexuals should not be ordained. They explained:

  "Our experience over 25 years has convinced us of the direct link between rebellion and anger against the Church’s teaching, and sexually promiscuous behaviors. This appears to be a two-way street: Those who are sexually active dissent from the Church’s teaching on sexuality to justify their own actions, while those who adopt rebellious ideas on sexual morality are more vulnerable to become sexually active, because they have little to no defense against sexual temptations."

A Highlight

  The Dallas chapter of Catholics United for the Faith held an open forum with panel members who were in Dallas attending the bishops’ conference: Bishop Bruskewitz, Philip Lawler, editor of Catholic World Report, author and journalist Russell Shaw, international CUF President Leon Suprenant, Helen Hull Hitchcock, editor of Adoremus Bulletin, and this reporter answered questions from a group of 300 or so concerned Catholics. Many attendees came from as far away as Phoenix, Arizona, and Rochester, N.Y.

  Many of the questions were directed to Bishop Bruskewitz, who described his peers as "this hapless bench of bishops" and several questioners wanted to know why the Holy Father has appointed so many "bad bishops."

  Bruskewitz responded that he had no idea, but told his audience that he once gave John Paul II a copy of the letter St. Bernard of Clairvaux wrote to Pope Eugenius III, warning that Pope, almost 900 years ago, that his eternal salvation hinged on the removal of bad bishops. Bruskewitz said the Holy Father has made a magnificent contribution to the Church through his writings, but said his governance was not sufficiently firm.

  Lawler told the audience the American Church faced a "dual scandal": the sexual abuse of minors by a very small proportion of Catholic priests, and the cover-up of these crimes by a significant majority — two-thirds, according to some reports — of current bishops. Lawler also noted that the implementation of the policy lies with the bishops who are well known for their failure in this regard.

Profound Insight

   "The really deep secret, then, of the last 40 years is the fear, timidity, and passivity of the American bishops. I believe it was Orwell who said that no one will ever know the crimes committed in our time through the fear of being thought conservative," he wrote.

  "Everything the bishops did in Dallas showed how fearful they still are of being thought conservative. That is why they refused even to touch the one issue that John Paul II had told them is central: fidelity to the whole of Catholic teaching on married love and sexuality. That would have meant antagonizing the secular, liberal press. That would have meant preaching Catholic doctrine straight. The bishops didn’t want to touch that task. . . .

  "The bishops need to understand that what we Catholics love and respect is the Catholic faith, not them. If they lack courage to speak up for the faith, what are they good for except to be thrown out and trodden upon, salt without savor?

  "I don’t know about you, but I hear more and more people saying that they should throw out the whole bench, and get a new team. A few exceptions aside, this one doesn’t seem to be completely serious.

  "But my advice is, give them a little more time. And pray that the one or two clear leaders among them will step forward, for the good of the Church. Enough of Avignon. It’s time to take the Church back to Rome."


TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: amchurch; bishops; catholicchurch; catholiclist; dissent; gays; homsexuals; pedophile; priests; scandal
Forthcoming article from The Wanderer co-authored by Michael S. Rose, author of Goodbye, Good Men
1 posted on 06/21/2002 11:36:40 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Siobhan; patent; Notwithstanding; Polycarp; Askel5
Could one of you bump to the entire list, please? Thanks.

Siobhan, is there a level above "Banshee - code red?"
2 posted on 06/21/2002 11:38:49 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: *Catholic_list; Azonie; Jeff Chandler; kstewskis; saradippity; AKA Elena; goldenstategirl; ...
bump
3 posted on 06/21/2002 11:47:28 AM PDT by Romulus
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To: Claud; Aquinasfan; Romulus; Dumb_Ox; sartorius; Renatus; redhead; Lady In Blue; fatima; ...
Bishop Bruskewitz for Cardinal Archbishop of (Pick one: Boston, Baltimore, Los Angeles, etc.)
4 posted on 06/21/2002 11:48:49 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus; HASH(0x8e691ec); sandyeggo; frogandtoad; saradippity; maryz; Jeff Chandler; ken5050; ...
Forget Code Red

BANSHEE ON THE LOOSE!

5 posted on 06/21/2002 11:54:57 AM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Romulus
It might be nice to send Bishop Bruskewitz a "thank you" note. He's one of the few truly good guys in this mess and I'm sure that an outpouring of support would further strengthen him to fight the good fight.

Diocese of Lincoln, Nebraska
Chancery Office
3400 Sheridan Boulevard
P.O. Box 80328
Lincoln, NE 68501-3569

(402) 488-0921
Fax: (402) 488-3569

Couldn't find an email address. Anyone out there have one?
6 posted on 06/21/2002 11:59:50 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
I second the motion on Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz. His "mitre" is certainly pegged in the right zone and he surely does not hesitate to speak out! He needs a bigger (more authoritative) voice.

Thanks for the ping, Romulus!
7 posted on 06/21/2002 12:00:52 PM PDT by AKA Elena
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To: Antoninus
>>>>>Bishop Bruskewitz for Cardinal Archbishop of (Pick one: Boston, Baltimore, Los Angeles, etc.)

Why limit it to just one? Those sees are all but vacant at the moment anyway.

patent

9 posted on 06/21/2002 12:09:17 PM PDT by patent
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To: Antoninus
diolincoln@inebraska.com

Be sure to make the subject: "For Bishop Bruskewitz"

10 posted on 06/21/2002 12:11:19 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Antoninus
An excellent suggestion, and thanks for posting the address. "Strengthening the brethren" is just one of the proposals on a menu of activist options that's being finalised this weekend. Stay tuned.
11 posted on 06/21/2002 12:11:28 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Antoninus
BTTT
12 posted on 06/21/2002 12:16:51 PM PDT by ELS
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To: Siobhan
just sent

Dear Bishop Bruskewitz:

I would personally like to thank you for being one of the few voices of Catholic orthodoxy in a nation overcome with secularism and political correctness. Instead of being strong leaders and examples for the faithful, regrettably, a number of America's bishops have subscribed to the values of a decadent culture and have permitted a malignancy to grow unchecked within the Mystical Body of Christ.

Once again, thank you for all your efforts and know that there are many other sincere Catholics like me praying for you and others like you who courageously stand united with Rome.

Yours in Christ,
xxxxx

13 posted on 06/21/2002 12:49:34 PM PDT by Sock
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To: Antoninus
"Lawler told the audience the American Church faced a "dual scandal": the sexual abuse of minors by a very small proportion of Catholic priests, and the cover-up of these crimes by a significant majority — two-thirds, according to some reports — of current bishops. Lawler also noted that the implementation of the policy lies with the bishops who are well known for their failure in this regard.

"...The really deep secret, then, of the last 40 years is the fear, timidity, and passivity of the American bishops. I believe it was Orwell who said that no one will ever know the crimes committed in our time through the fear of being thought conservative," he wrote.

"Everything the bishops did in Dallas showed how fearful they still are of being thought conservative. That is why they refused even to touch the one issue that John Paul II had told them is central: fidelity to the whole of Catholic teaching on married love and sexuality. That would have meant antagonizing the secular, liberal press. That would have meant preaching Catholic doctrine straight. The bishops didn’t want to touch that task. . . .Enough of Avignon. It’s time to take the Church back to Rome."

BEARS REPEATING. At last, somebody who states the obvious.

14 posted on 06/21/2002 12:58:34 PM PDT by redhead
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To: Antoninus
Great thread! Thanks Antoninus!
15 posted on 06/21/2002 1:03:12 PM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: Sock
Excellent letter. Here's mine:

Your Eminence,

This is just a quick email to say "thank you" from the bottom of my heart for having the courage to speak out about the true causes of the homosexual scandal that envelopes the Church in America. I am a graduate of 12 years of Catholic education (not including the four years I spent in an ostensibly Catholic east coast university), and must tell you that if all of your brother bishops had the strength and faith that you so clearly possess, this scandal would soon be behind us.

I could not agree with you more when you point out the linkage between this scandal and the rebellion against Church teaching on matters of doctrine and morals by many within the Catholic Church in America. I pray that Almighty God will grant your brother bishops the same clarity of insight and wisdom that he has so clearly bestowed upon you.

I pray that you will continued to be strengthened by Our Lord Jesus, through the intercession of Our Lady and St. Pio of Pietrelcina.

God Bless You!

Sincerely,

"Antoninus"
16 posted on 06/21/2002 1:11:57 PM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus

During the conference, one bishop told The Wanderer that the main reason that the U.S. bishops don’t want to broach the subject of homosexuality is because "many of them don’t really see anything wrong with gay priests — active or not."

"They’re upset about the bad publicity the scandals receive," he added, "but a lot of them aren’t particularly distressed by the idea of actively gay priests."

In a media briefing on canon law, a reporter for the Village Voice who is a well-known gay rights activist, asked the bishops and their canon law advisers about the 1961 Vatican document barring homosexuals from Ordination to the priesthood. They were quick to distance themselves from the Vatican teaching. Their response: "Nothing in canon law bars homosexuals from being ordained priests."

The Deacon, St. Athanasius was right!  THE FLOOR OF HELL IS LITTERED WITH THE SKULLS OF BISHOPS.

The Catholic faith, and all of us who adhere to it faithfully, has been betrayed by modern day JUDASES. 

We need to fast and pray for deliverance.  And seeing the Bishops themselves have neglected to publicly wear sackcloth and ashes, the laity are going to have to sacrifice and offer up sufferings and repentance for the evils committed.

17 posted on 06/21/2002 1:17:19 PM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: Antoninus
Did you ever see an Irish BANSHEE. My wife is Irish. Believe me when I tell you, I would rather deal with ten demons than an Irish BANSHEE!! AIIEEEEE! ;^)
18 posted on 06/21/2002 1:20:54 PM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: sartorius
I've thought about going the checkbook route. If I lived in a liberal diocese, I would do it. As it stands, my Catholic dollars are currently going to the following places:

Diocese of Camden -- Our Bishop comes up clean on Roman Catholic Faithful's web site, and he has done much to promote our Latin Mass parish.

St. Charles Boromeo Seminary in Philadelphia -- One of the good ones, according to Michael Rose's Goodbye, Good Men.

St. Joseph's Prep School in Philadelphia -- My old high school. Not exactly the bastion of orthdoxy it once was, but one of the few area high schools that still teaches Latin and Greek. And homosexuality isn't exactly 'smiled upon' there...

The Wanderer -- see the article above.

New Oxford Review -- Certainly, they're on the same page as we are.

Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter -- No need to cut them out, certainly!

If any one of these institutions turns soft on me, the checks will stop coming. Note that I don't contribute to my alma mater, Boston College, for obvious reasons. Every now and then, I remind them of that when they come calling...
19 posted on 06/21/2002 1:21:59 PM PDT by Antoninus
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To: ThomasMore
Fortunately, my wife's only 1/4 banshee ... It's enough ... Combine that with some hot-tempered Italian and some authoritarian German and you've got a real powder keg on your hands...
20 posted on 06/21/2002 1:26:47 PM PDT by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus
The problem is that we have two many Cardinal slots open and too few decent candidates. Heck,I think there'll be some bishop openings coming up, too. A great employment market!

An aside about this: I have heard that good ol'Rembert is having trouble finding anybody who wants to let him live in their monastery. He's a Benedictine, remember. He was abbot of a once noble house that he virtually destroyed before moving on to other things. They've spent the last few years rebuilding, cleaning up their seminary, restoring their liturgy, etc, - and now he wants to come back! Word is he's not welcome, although I don't know exactly how they're going to keep him out. And who's going to want him...maybe he can go hold hands with Mahoney or something.
21 posted on 06/21/2002 1:26:49 PM PDT by livius
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To: Antoninus
my alma mater, Boston College

Did you study philosophy with Dr. Peter Kreeft? or how about Dr. Thomas Howard?

22 posted on 06/21/2002 1:28:45 PM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: Antoninus
Good letter. Just a point of protocol. "Your Eminence" is the greeting used for a Cardinal. "Your Excellency" is the appropriate salutation for a bishop.

SD

23 posted on 06/21/2002 1:29:52 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Antoninus
But they did broach the topic of chastity and celibacy. The two words don’t necessarily mean the same thing to priests: Celibacy is a promise not to marry; chastity is a vow to be sexually abstinent.

Those knuckleheads need to break out a dictionary.

celibacy (sèl´e-be-sê) noun
1. Abstinence from sexual intercourse, especially by reason of religious vows.
2. The condition of being unmarried.

chastity (chàs´tî-tê) noun
1. The condition or quality of being pure or chaste.
2. a. Virginity. b. Virtuous character. c. Celibacy.

Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.

24 posted on 06/21/2002 2:09:52 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Which character is Lewis Carroll said that words mean what I want them to mean, no more and no less? (I think it was the Red Queen), I think this shows how they okay wirh words: marriage no means the obvious, and loses the meaning that is used in Black Law Dictionary, and becomes a special form of "domestic partnership."
25 posted on 06/21/2002 2:56:04 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Antoninus
Looks good. We also give to EWTN. If they ever go off the air, we will lose the best voice for real Catholicism we have in the mass media. Wanderer and NOR are regulars here, as is Latin Mass and Inside the Vatican.

26 posted on 06/21/2002 3:43:18 PM PDT by redhead
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To: sartorius
The checkbook might succeed where Papal pronouncements have not.

We're leaving in a few minutes for our weekly holy hour for priests.

Prayer might work a bit too. Email Bishop Bruskowitz that you are praying for him.

27 posted on 06/21/2002 3:53:17 PM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: Antoninus
bumpus ad summum
28 posted on 06/21/2002 3:58:11 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Mao or Gramsci,or someone commenting on brainwashing techniques said "when men seek to change the culture,first they change the language".

I definitely have heard from teachers of the "faith"(another word that has been twisted and spun)that celibacy was a vow not to marry.Then I have heard from the same teachers that in marriage,one vowed to to be chaste,which is explained as to not have sexual relations with any one but one's spouse.This is usually followed up with a good deal of talk about Christ's Commandment to "love your neighbor as yourself".

If the teacher is adept at avoiding discussion in class,or if no one catches the huge omission regards the sexual lives of a great many unmarried Catholics it is quite easy to leave the class with feeling that as long as one is in a "committed love relationship",sex outside of marriage is acceptable.

Since this prevides cognitive consonance,for couples having sex out side of marriage,including,most especially,same sex couples,everyone leaves happy.

That is why my friends and I,always take a Bible and the Catechism to all of the classes we attend.We learned from a person who was attending "Welcome Back Catholic"classes,that the instructor said,if they saw someone approaching them with the Bible and the Catechism,they better run as fast as they could in the opposite direction.If we can't win in this diocese at least we can frighten them.

29 posted on 06/21/2002 4:09:07 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: RobbyS
Oh yes,in the Disney version of "Alice in Wonderland",there is a great scene.The Red Queen is imperiously looking down at Alice and says,"What do you mean,when you ask what I mean? A word means whatever I say it means."

When I first saw it I thought it was a telecast of either archbishop Weakland or Pilarczyk at one of the Bishops'Conferences.

30 posted on 06/21/2002 4:17:23 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: Siobhan
Speaking of Banshee


31 posted on 06/21/2002 5:13:31 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Siobhan; antonius
Thank you for the ping. Great post Antonius
32 posted on 06/21/2002 6:11:58 PM PDT by Angelique
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To: Antoninus
You must be on the inside track. Bishops are usually addressed as "Your Excellency."

Cardinals are addressed as "Your Eminence."

Bp. B. will enjoy the momentary promotion.

33 posted on 06/21/2002 6:34:42 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: livius
good ol'Rembert is having trouble finding anybody who wants to let him live in their monastery.

He must feel a bit uncomfortable in the Milwaukee area.

Wonder why??

He just spent about $50K re-doing a large suite of rooms for himself at the retired priests' residence when the news broke. Apparently he is already giving it up.

Word is that the IRS and Wis Dept of Revenue are looking at the $450K blackmail payment as INCOME to Rembert, meaning that he owes around $200K in total income taxes.

My, my.

34 posted on 06/21/2002 6:40:01 PM PDT by ninenot
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To: Antoninus; All
For the Bishops and Cardinals: (Please pray with me.)

PRAYER TO ST. MICHAEL

St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in the day of Battle; Be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the power of God, cast into Hell, Satan and all the other evil spirits, who prowl through the world, seeking the ruin of souls.
Amen

35 posted on 06/21/2002 6:51:51 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Salvation
...and Amen.
36 posted on 06/21/2002 8:39:29 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: Antoninus
 Humm also indicated that the gay priests he interviewed for his report don’t expect to be purged, because most bishops are "if nothing else, ‘protective of their priests’. . . . In order to be a bishop, [one gay priest] said, you need a highly developed capacity for denial.

Great post, Antoninus. The above statement is a good reflection of the homosexual subculture in the catholic church. Good example of this would be the St. Elizabeth story that appeared in the New York Times this week ... and it didn't involve sexual abuse. Like the others, I plan to write to Bishop B. to show my support.

There is something more we can do .... right now! The vatican plans to visit the US seminaries sometime this year. We need to find out who will be conducting the investigations and bombard them with letters and/or email. There are some excellent letter writers on this forum ... who wants to compose the first letter?

37 posted on 06/22/2002 5:56:33 AM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer
You may have a hard time getting hold of their addresses. The clergy likes to show inspector Potemkin villages for Vatican dignataries.
38 posted on 06/22/2002 4:47:55 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Siobhan
Thanks. I sent an appreciative email.
39 posted on 06/22/2002 7:04:39 PM PDT by WriteOn
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To: ThomasMore
Did you study philosophy with Dr. Peter Kreeft? or how about Dr. Thomas Howard?

I wish! Had I known about Prof. Kreeft, I would have made it a point to take a course with him. Instead, my philosophy courses included an intro course which focused on the "genius" of Michel Foucault, and a Nietzsche course taught by a Nietzsche worshiper.
40 posted on 06/23/2002 11:07:56 AM PDT by Antoninus
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To: SoothingDave
Good letter. Just a point of protocol. "Your Eminence" is the greeting used for a Cardinal. "Your Excellency" is the appropriate salutation for a bishop.

Ooops. Thanks for pointing that out. Hopefully, as another poster indicated, I'm simply prescient...
41 posted on 06/23/2002 11:09:53 AM PDT by Antoninus
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