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Did Communists Infiltrate the Catholic Church?
http://www.chuckmorse.com/communism_catholic_church.html ^ | Chuck Morse

Posted on 07/26/2002 2:35:57 PM PDT by narses

As a traditional Jew, I'm deeply concerned over the plight of the Roman Catholic Church, which I consider to be the largest and most influential repository of conservative Judeo-Christian values in America today. I believe that those of us who care about the furtherance of a moral society have a stake in the future of the church as a moral force. The American church is under siege today, not only from the usual external forces but also from the weight of its own internal contradictions. The scandal of corrupt homosexual priests violating the innocence of minors in their care is, to put it mildly, a contradiction in Christian and Catholic practice and faith. When did this corruption inject itself into the system and why was the situation allowed to deteriorate to such a degree?

Much has been written regarding Communist methods of infiltration. The standard method was to "bore from within" which involved Communists disguising themselves as loyalists to an organization they sought to undermine. Once gaining entry, they would gradually and subtly change the values and principles of the targeted organization. The process of "change" can take a generation. Communists have exhibited unlimited patience and supreme confidence in the ultimate attainment of their goals. Examples in America include substantial inroads by Communists into organized labor, academia, the legal profession, race relations, cultural institutions, and the government itself.

When planning to infiltrate, the Communists probe for an institutional weakness to exploit and, in the case of the Catholic Church, perhaps they perceived the weakness to reside in the all-male celibate priesthood. Did Communists send their followers, particularly homosexuals, sexual deviants, and enablers, into seminaries to become priests in order to foster a homosexual culture within the church? Homosexuals, practicing their predilections in an overwhelmingly conservative Catholic community, while given protection by well placed minded superiors, could certainly contribute to the undermining of faith in Catholicism and could unquestionably shake the credibility and moral standing of the church itself down to its very foundations. Undermining Catholic authority has been a clear and often stated goal of the Communist left. Speculation regarding how the Communists attempted to implement their program is reasonable and necessary in order to better understand the present situation.

Two former Communists, Bella Dodd and Manning Johnson, spoke on Communist infiltration of the Catholic Church. Dodd, an important Communist party lawyer, teacher and activist, converted to Catholicism in April 1952 under the tutelage of Bishop Fulton J. Sheen. Stating that the Communist infiltration was so extensive that in the future "you will not recognize the Catholic Church," Dodd also asserted that:

"In the 1930's, we put eleven hundred men into the priesthood in order to destroy the Church from within."

"Right now they are in the highest places, and they are working to bring about change in order that the Catholic Church will no longer be effective against Communism."

Manning Johnson, a former Communist Party official and author of "Color, Communism and Common Sense" testified in 1953 to the House un-American Activities Committee regarding the infiltration of the Catholic Church:

"Once the tactic of infiltration of religious organizations was set by the Kremlin ... the Communists discovered that the destruction of religion could proceed much faster through infiltration of the (Catholic) Church by Communists operating within the Church itself. The Communist leadership in the United States realized that the infiltration tactic in this country would have to adapt itself to American conditions (Europe also had its cells) and the religious make-up peculiar to this country. In the earliest stages it was determined that with only small forces available to them, it would be necessary to concentrate Communist agents in the seminaries. The practical conclusion drawn by the Red leaders was that these institutions would make it possible for a small Communist minority to influence the ideology of future clergymen in the paths conducive to Communist purposes This policy of infiltrating seminaries was successful beyond even our communist expectations."

As a radio talk show host and avid listener to talk radio in Boston, I've listened intently to comments by Catholics as the crisis has unfolded. Much has been said regarding the left dominance of the seminaries and a prevalence of the ideas of "liberation theology" which is a biblically contradictory Trojan horse within the Catholic gates. Establishment organs, such as the Boston Globe, continue to wring their hands over the homosexual activities of priests while supporting a homosexual agenda everywhere else. Hopefully, the Catholic flock will wake up and sweep the corruption out of their church in the same way that their founder, Jesus of Nazareth, swept the moneychangers out of the Temple.

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To: Theresa
"What ultimately is their vision for the world."

Maybe Al Gore said it well for them. Paraphrased, "An ideal world would have 250,000,000 million people, certainly not more than 500,000,000.")

This would give the elite plenty of playroom. So far as I know he never mentioned where the 6 billion other people would go.

Godspeed, The Dilg

81 posted on 07/27/2002 3:29:19 AM PDT by thedilg
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To: Polycarp
"You might find yourself branded an extreme trad schismatic integrist."

To which I will retort that I am an old fogey with youngins' following the Magisterium (that's it, Polycarp...we're just young & old fogeys.)
82 posted on 07/27/2002 3:30:19 AM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: AKA Elena
"Perhaps someone else knows of other situations which are like this."

There was a womens college, St.Joseph's near Mount St.Mary's in Emmittsburg Md, that closed several decades ago because the good Sisters would not compromise either.
83 posted on 07/27/2002 4:26:09 AM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: thedilg
"This would give the elite plenty of playroom. So far as I know he never mentioned where the 6 billion other people would go."

Well, the big cheese in our current Dept of Defense (Rumsfeld) used to be in population control 30 years ago.
84 posted on 07/27/2002 4:36:24 AM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: narses
More of the same from Narses. Always sowing doubt, discord and confusion. EVERYTHING IS EVIL, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS FAILED. RUN FOR YOUR LIVES.....

LOL. Narses, you are posting these attacks so frequently and so closely together that your unspoken agenda is being revealed...careful :)

85 posted on 07/27/2002 5:09:35 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Salvation
BTW, you find the darndest articles. Ever look for anything positivie about the Catholic Church?

To ask the question is to answer it. Everyone can see what he is doing...

86 posted on 07/27/2002 5:11:27 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Desdemona
I don't care when this was written. It's scary.

Then it acheived its intent. Ask yourself why narses specialises in these posts.

87 posted on 07/27/2002 5:13:33 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Litany
I had not read any of it prior to your post. But it is eerily prophetic, to say the least, esp. the part about not kneeling and taking Communion in the hand.

In the early Church one was FORBIDDEN to kneel at Mass and one received Communion in the hand. I guess this Communist Conspiracy is more insidious than we initially thought. It predated the Communist Revolution by nearly 19 Centuries

88 posted on 07/27/2002 5:19:53 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Loyalist
We may never know to what extent Vatican II was influenced by, if not actually planned, the Kremlin.

It is sad to realise you think that. An Ecumenical Council was planned by the Commies? Good Lord, I think your tinfoil hat has fallen off

89 posted on 07/27/2002 5:22:17 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
Dear Catholicguy,

"In the early Church one was FORBIDDEN to kneel at Mass and one received Communion in the hand. I guess this Communist Conspiracy is more insidious than we initially thought. It predated the Communist Revolution by nearly 19 Centuries."

Shhh! Don't tell! The communists will know you're on to them!

sitetest

90 posted on 07/27/2002 5:23:26 AM PDT by sitetest
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To: sandyeggo
Thanks - re: Medjugorje, I am in agreement with you.

Medj is a fraud. The local Bishop (and his oredecessor) have both said, in writing, that there is no evidence of an apparition and both have said the "seers" have lied to them

91 posted on 07/27/2002 5:25:57 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
Where in the world did you ever get the idea that you were forbidden to kneel in the early church?

Godspeed, The Dilg

92 posted on 07/27/2002 5:51:26 AM PDT by thedilg
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To: Domestic Church
The world is full of population control people. However, none are so transparently evil as to advocate a world of 500,000,000 million people or less. The implications are staggering.

I have never heard this about Rumsfeld. Do you know haw Rumsfeld feels about Gore's position?

Godspeed, The Dilg

93 posted on 07/27/2002 6:02:36 AM PDT by thedilg
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To: thedilg
Where in the world did you ever get the idea that you were forbidden to kneel in the early church?

The First Council of Nicea 325 a.d. in the 20th canon forbade kneeling

94 posted on 07/27/2002 6:17:55 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
Forgot Tertullian also. In 211 a.d., in "The Crown," he says "We regard it as unlawful to fast or worship on our knees on the Lord's day"
95 posted on 07/27/2002 6:20:46 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
"I don't care when this was written. It's scary.
Then it acheived its intent. Ask yourself why narses specialises in these posts."

Well, fear is part of it. I don't know narses well enough to say. But, it's very obvious evil has more faces than any of us can imagine. And the truth, yes, is stranger then fiction.

Is Communism a conspiracy? I know theories on this aren't permitted on this forum, so I'll give you the short answer: I believe yes.

Sorry to be snippy. Haven't had coffee, yet.
96 posted on 07/27/2002 6:28:15 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Catholicguy
EVERYTHING IS EVIL, THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS FAILED. RUN FOR YOUR LIVES.....

Except, of course, I never said that. Your persisntent attacks on me grow wearisome. I have seen references here for weeks about an infiltration and about the testimony before the HUAC. I kept asking for documentation. When I saw the most recent reference, I chose to look on the 'net and I found this. Since other have already expressed an interest and this article appeared to have facts that could be checked, I posted it. Your words, not mine, are the ones sowing doubt here.

97 posted on 07/27/2002 6:54:14 AM PDT by narses
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To: thedilg
Some early churches had no pews. Standing was (and in some places still is) seen as a sign of respect. When an officer enters the room, enlisted men stand, for example.
98 posted on 07/27/2002 6:56:19 AM PDT by narses
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Thank you. I couldn't quite put it into words. This is absolutely possible. Des
99 posted on 07/27/2002 7:09:23 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: american colleen
Cardinal Weakland? He was NEVER a Cardinal! Just a retired Archbishop.
100 posted on 07/27/2002 7:13:53 AM PDT by Charles_Bingley
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