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Did Communists Infiltrate the Catholic Church?
http://www.chuckmorse.com/communism_catholic_church.html ^ | Chuck Morse

Posted on 07/26/2002 2:35:57 PM PDT by narses

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To: Domestic Church
Here are the links you asked for. I hope no one accuses me of trying to weaken the faith, malign the Pope or of being an extreme trad SSPXer. Cause I ain't. I'm only an orthodox Catholic, like most of us here, trying to understand the history of the Church and doing my best with the grace of God to live the faith in Jesus Christ. Lately it seems that a disclaimer needs to be written for what some FReepers post for discussion and refutation. Sheesh.

"Present at the Demolition
An interview with Dr. Alice von Hildebrand
A Philosopher Remembers and Reminds"

"Catechism on the Errors of Vatican II"

As an addendum: The greater truth for me is that the Pope is Peter's successor and the Vicar of Christ.

101 posted on 07/27/2002 8:01:42 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen
Thank you, this looks interesting to say the least. Someone in my family graduated from Hunter back in the 30's and she says it was full of card carrying communists back then.
102 posted on 07/27/2002 8:55:19 AM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: american colleen
Colleen,

I believe you are an "orthodox Catholic" along with most everyone here. But, that last link you posted is to a very whacked out bunch.

p.s. I'm no fan of Merton either. :-)

103 posted on 07/27/2002 9:02:18 AM PDT by Sock
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To: Sock
But, that last link you posted is to a very whacked out bunch.

I agree, they are a whacked out bunch, but when you do a search for "Bella Dodd" that link comes up. I read as much as I can, probably disagree with most of it, and file it away. It's all you can do.

104 posted on 07/27/2002 9:06:01 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen
I wonder, is Dr. Hildebrand on the FR Index of forbidden authors? Is Walter Cardinal Kasper? Where is this mysterious Index and what are the rules?

The witch hunt attitude of some here gets tiring.
105 posted on 07/27/2002 9:07:26 AM PDT by narses
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To: american colleen
Click on the link at the bottom of that page.
106 posted on 07/27/2002 9:09:02 AM PDT by Sock
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To: american colleen
"Present at the Demolition" is a great read. I will re-read it again more carefully. What an incredible view from an impeccable Catholic. Thank you.
107 posted on 07/27/2002 9:18:08 AM PDT by narses
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To: Sock
Yes, I've fully explored that site - what the heck are they? They aren't SSPXers, just another whacky group, I guess. They have a pretty extensive page on John XXIII and the Mason connection... like I said earlier, you read this stuff and just file it away. I'll go with the pope on this, every time.
108 posted on 07/27/2002 9:29:45 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: Sock
I just noticed how far out that site is too. Still it is good to see the arguments. Since John XXIII there have been many miracles and there have been those extraordinary phenomena for example, St.Pio, Mother Teresa, Betania and the appearance of Our Lady there....and most of all the continual Eucharistic miracles around the world. I think it is safe to say that God is very much with us no matter what the sins of the hierarchy have been.
109 posted on 07/27/2002 9:31:31 AM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: Domestic Church
I think it is safe to say that God is very much with us no matter what the sins of the hierarchy have been.

Amen! And that is the bottom line.

110 posted on 07/27/2002 9:34:27 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: narses
The Hildebrands are eminent Catholic authors and their books are sold by Ignatius Press. I can't imagine their being on a blacklist.
111 posted on 07/27/2002 9:34:40 AM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: Catholicguy
You needn't be so sarcastic when correcting me.
112 posted on 07/27/2002 10:26:00 AM PDT by Litany
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To: BlackVeil
"Moreover, these men all died in violent deaths (suicides and murders) before the matter could fully be investigated."

Sounds like Satan was claiming his own. Anybody who gives up their chance for Heaven for the temporary pleasures and treasures of earth has (knowingly or unknowingly) made a pact with the devil for their souls. They haven't read the fine print: Their souls are forfeit, and they are inescapably bound. They must do more and more, reach farther, grasp for more, always seeking that elusive "happiness" that Satan holds out before them like a carrot on a string. But Satan ALWAYS lies. He is the FATHER of lies. These souls have been lied to in the temptations they yielded to when they chose the pleasures/treasures of this world and gave up the chance for eternal life in the Next.

113 posted on 07/27/2002 12:11:46 PM PDT by redhead
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To: narses
The continuing and ever present desire to take the divinity away from Jesus Christ and make him "just a man",like you and I,or maybe a judge or an officer,to whom we owe respect.

I at times,am amused by the modernists who look at the "evolution" and maturing of man,for example,but insist that for "authenticity" we must stifle the organic development of anything and revert to 50A.D.,or 300A.D.,or wherever they choose to stop the clock.

I prefer to kneel,as did Christ,when He prayed to the Father,or I think of the phrase,from scripture,"and every knee shall bend".

114 posted on 07/27/2002 1:13:53 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: american colleen
"Catechism on the Errors of Vatican II"

Nice link, AC. I guess an Ecumenical Council is not infallible. This is news to me

115 posted on 07/27/2002 1:19:51 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Litany
You needn't be so sarcastic when correcting me.

Sorry. I did post that personally to you and I should not have. I wasn't trying to upset you. Narses specialises in posting stuff that undermines the authority of the Hierarchy or is critical of the Pope and this is just Commie garbage is yet ANOTHER example of how he tries to frighten others and undermine their confidence.

116 posted on 07/27/2002 1:34:43 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: american colleen
I hope no one accuses me of trying to weaken the faith,

Posting a site that attacks an Ecumenical Council? Why would that undermine or weaken one's Faith?

117 posted on 07/27/2002 1:36:58 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
After your nasty private FReepmail to me, I figured you wouldn't waste your time posting to me. Glad to see you are still on the alert for possible unorthodox postings. I was testing you. Keep up the good work.
118 posted on 07/27/2002 3:34:19 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: Domestic Church; Litany
I'm aware, I was poking at those hounding people who post what they considers blasphemy, heresy, schism or sin.
119 posted on 07/27/2002 3:38:48 PM PDT by narses
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To: Catholicguy
Narses specialises in posting stuff that undermines the authority of the Hierarchy or is critical of the Pope and this is just Commie garbage is yet ANOTHER example of how he tries to frighten others and undermine their confidence.

Your post is both dishonest (I post many things and what I try to do is elicit comments from which I can learn) and cowardly (as you don't "ping" me as I am told is the custom here). I have asked you before and I ask you again, stop attacking me.

120 posted on 07/27/2002 3:42:21 PM PDT by narses
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To: Catholicguy; american colleen
Catholicguy, I am sorry if you took offense. It was given that the Catechism on the Errors of Vatican II was full of error. That was posted so that we could verbally dissect it...that's why I suggested to bring the salt shakers earlier on this thread. Shall we freepmail you before linking controversal items so you realize they are suspect? Or should we post the word hotzone in parenthesis? This kind of stuff needs to be aired in order to defend our faith and it is better for all of us to see this with the Catholic support of this caucus. I for one am very grateful for the educational dialogue here.
121 posted on 07/27/2002 4:23:15 PM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: Domestic Church
Or should we post the word hotzone in parenthesis?

How about, instead of [Barf alert],

[Swill before pearls] ? 8^]
122 posted on 07/27/2002 4:34:36 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko
That's much better...[swill before pearls] it is. Was that in todays readings or yesterdays?
123 posted on 07/27/2002 4:45:44 PM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: Domestic Church
Was that in todays readings or yesterdays?

Friday's Gospel was St Matthew 13:16-17 and today's was St Matthew 13:24-30. The 'pearls before swine' is St Matthew 7:6.
124 posted on 07/27/2002 5:22:10 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: Mike Fieschko
St.Matthew 7:6 must be tomorrow!
125 posted on 07/27/2002 5:40:17 PM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: afraidfortherepublic; narses
Narses, check your freepmail for Morse's permission to post his opinion pieces here at freerepublic.
126 posted on 07/27/2002 5:47:46 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Domestic Church
St.Matthew 7:6 must be tomorrow!

Tomorrow is St Matthew 13:44-52, which includes the parable of the pearl of great price.
127 posted on 07/27/2002 6:01:43 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Thank you.
128 posted on 07/27/2002 6:14:17 PM PDT by narses
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To: Catholicguy
Peace...
:)
129 posted on 07/27/2002 8:10:45 PM PDT by Litany
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To: Catholicguy; narses
"Narses specialises in posting stuff that undermines the authority of the Hierarchy or is critical of the Pope and this is just Commie garbage ... " I don't see any particular theme in what Narses posts. There are lots of different things to read on the religion forum. Actually, if you want stuff that consistently undermines the hierachy, look at the official publications of the Catholic Church. In effect, they are stripping away all forms of traditional authority, and have been doing so for years.
130 posted on 07/27/2002 11:13:38 PM PDT by BlackVeil
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To: BlackVeil
I don't see any particular theme in what Narses posts

It is very evident he supports the schism of the SSPX and undermines The Magisterium. He has done so since he became a Freeper 6/22/02

131 posted on 07/28/2002 5:02:21 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Domestic Church
Catholicguy, I am sorry if you took offense. It was given that the Catechism on the Errors of Vatican II was full of error

As my Son says, "My bad." I misunderstood. I have seen the Ecumenical Council attacked for so long that my knee-jerk reaction sent my sneakers into the Stratosphere

132 posted on 07/28/2002 5:04:44 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: narses
Narses specialises in posting stuff that undermines the authority of the Hierarchy or is critical of the Pope and this is just Commie garbage is yet ANOTHER example of how he tries to frighten others and undermine their confidence. (That was an excellent encapsulation. Thanks for reposting it). Your post is both dishonest (I post many things and what I try to do is elicit comments from which I can learn) and cowardly (as you don't "ping" me as I am told is the custom here). I have asked you before and I ask you again, stop attacking me

ALL my posts are honest and I have no hidden agenda. You became a member on 6/22/02. I think your first post came at 5:01. It was an attack on The Magisterium. You attacked the decision of the Roman Curia that speaks in the name of the Pope and you, intentionally or not, mischaracterised the decison of that Curial Office AND you, mistakenly of falsely, accused one of the Churches involved as being heretical. I have since corrected this error publicly at least three times. Sitetest has corected you on the same error. Patent has corrected you on the same error. I have no doubt you still hold your personal opinion to be the correct one and that you reject the decision of the Magisterium. Youhave eeven said the Mass was invalid AFTER the Curia had taken its decision speaking for the Divinely-constitued authority. You may fool some. You haven't fooled me for an instant.

You have been unrelenting since. I went back and checked. You have a pattern of supporting the sspx schism. I have noted that, so has patent and st chuck; others have also, as I recall. Your posts succoring the schism of the sspx are taken from public opponents of the Pope - The Remnant,Catholic Family News, Seattle Catholic etc. You may fool some folks. You do not fool me.

An OVERWHELMING percentage of your posts concerning the Pope or The Magisterium are attacks, some subtle, some bold. You have yet to post a piece defending the Pope in any controversial aspect of his Papacy. You always side with those who cast his actions in a negative light. You may fool some folks. You don't fool me. There ARE perfectly rational and defensible explanations for why the Pope does what he does. You have never posted them. When those explanations ARE posted, from the TCRnews website, you place yourself in opposition to those articles. You may fool some folks. You don't fool me.

133 posted on 07/28/2002 5:29:51 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: american colleen
After your nasty private FReepmail to me,

You have my permission to post it and we can publicly discuss why I sent it to you. Care to open this up?

134 posted on 07/28/2002 5:33:54 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Polycarp
The Saints must disappear before God, although it is much easier to kill God than His Saints.

Isn't that the truth!!

Thanks, polycarp, for posting the story of Michael, a/k/a Mikolaj because he came from Poland. Here is yet another link on this man ... THE CONFESSION OF MIKOLAJ, THE ANTI-PRIEST .

If even half of what he wrote is true, then it would lend credence to our worst fears. "Destroy from within" has always been the communist plan, be it the church or a free society, like the US. Hopefully, some of the pope bashers and other nay sayers on FreeRepublic will read your post and gain a better understanding of just how insidious a problem, we as catholics confront in our church.

The Holy Father rightfully looks to youth to repair and restore our church. Christ assured us the He would never abandon us. Thanks to you, the other freepers on this forum and EWTN, my faith has never been stronger. Christ will prevail. God willing, we will be around to witness the full cleansing and restoration of His church.


135 posted on 07/28/2002 5:48:01 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Catholicguy
More personal attacks, more telling me and others what I think, more hatred, lies and innuendos and more apparently false claims of charity. Stop. You said you would and then you attacked again. Have you any honor? Any shame? Can you keep your word?
Posted by Catholicguy to narses
On Religion Jul 26 4:06 PM #457 of 509

Even as I sent that, I knew it was a mistake. Perhaps you can't stop yourself from contacting me. That is understandable :) You should see me in person :) So, I propose to help you break the attachment. I will not respond to your continuing personal posts to me. You seem incapable of taking responsibility for your own actions in this area so I will take control. I will not respond to your personal posts to me no matter how many times you send them

Do your attacks do any good? Have you convinced anyone of your positions with them? I listen with respect to patent and sitetest and sinkspur and polycarp and others here. Your attacks mask whatever message you might have to share in such a fashion that your posts become mean-spirited noise.

Again I ask, in fraternal love and charity that you cease your attacks on me, both in posts directly to me and in the even more disreputable posts to others about me that you have engaged in.

The rules here are clear, "No Personal attacks". Please cease.

136 posted on 07/28/2002 6:43:46 AM PDT by narses
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To: BlackVeil; Catholicguy
Thanks for the ping. I am amazed at the level of vitriolic attacks against me bt one poster. It is an extraordinary display of hatred the likes of which I never imagined. Steven Hand was a model of charity compared to this.
137 posted on 07/28/2002 6:47:15 AM PDT by narses
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To: narses
You have no defense for your agenda and orientation that I sniffed-out immediately. Again, ALL you can do is decry how you are treated face to face while you attack the Magisterium using the words of others. I expected nothing less from you
138 posted on 07/28/2002 7:51:26 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: narses
You're a big boy narses. I am attacking your actions. I think them craven and unmanly. I asked you repeatedly to stop posting to me personally. You refused to cease yet I am supposed to accede to your demands? Come on.

I see you take umbrage about me changing my mind about resisting you face to face.Another weird example, imo, of how you operate. When you were Confirmed, you undertook an obligation to defend the faith, not oppose the Pope and The Magisterium. Why do you think you are deserving of more respect, courtesy or fraternal consideration than the Pope whose authority is Divinely-constituted and whose authority you oppose?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think you can cite for me ONE TIME that you have given the Holy Father the benefit of the doubt in ANY act of his that is the subject of controversy. Far from giving the Pope, Our Holy Father, the benefit of the doubt, you ATTACK him and post from sites infamous in their public opposition to him to further burden him with opposition and that action tempts other to criticise him and oppose him. You spread disunity, dissension, confusion about the Holy Father and The Magisterium and then have the gall to play the victim. That is beneath contempt. You may fool some of the folks here. You do not fool me.

You keep asking ME to stop "attacking you" as though were some objective standard to which I must adhere but to which you are at liberty to violate if it concerns Divinely-constitued authority. You may attack the Holy Father and his decisions but I am forbidden to counterattack in trying to fulfill my Confirmational duites. You have an odd standard. You think you can not only act in opposition to your Confirmational duties you think you can get me to ignore mine. I do not acknowledge anything other than the FACT that I have called you out and you have no defense against your opposition to the Pope and The Magisterium which BEGAN THE VERY DAY YOU REGISTERED AS A FREEPER.

I wonder how many other real Catholics in here, on their first day as a freeper, posted material that OPPOSED the Holy Father.

Act like a man and own-up to what it is you are doing. I uderstand WHY you recast my counterattacks as a personal attack. You have NO legitimate defense for your actions in opposing the Pope so you are forced to retereat to the "I am a victim" stance and demand from others what you refuse to extend to the Pope.

I have you pegged. I had you pegged from the first post you made. The only way you can hope to stop my opposing your attacking the Pope is to have me banned.

139 posted on 07/28/2002 8:24:35 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy; GatorGirl; tiki; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; ..
You have no defense for your agenda and orientation that I sniffed-out immediately. Again, ALL you can do is decry how you are treated face to face while you attack the Magisterium using the words of others. I expected nothing less from you.

You really need help. You "sniffed me out", how? I attack how? By posting articles. How amusing. I suppose my posts regards the Anglican Church are attacks too? My posts regards vouchers as well? What do you intend to do, post warnings about me every time I post?

Posted by Catholicguy to narses
On Religion Jul 26 4:06 PM #457 of 509

Even as I sent that, I knew it was a mistake. Perhaps you can't stop yourself from contacting me. That is understandable :) You should see me in person :) So, I propose to help you break the attachment. I will not respond to your continuing personal posts to me. You seem incapable of taking responsibility for your own actions in this area so I will take control. I will not respond to your personal posts to me no matter how many times you send them

You said you would stop, instead you have increased both the quantity and volume of vitriolic attacks against me. They need to stop. You accomplish nothing, you help no one and you embarass yourself.

140 posted on 07/28/2002 8:44:03 AM PDT by narses
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To: All
First, the claim has been made that I posted this thread to harm the Church and cause fear among the faithful. That is false. I posted it because I am interested in the topic and wanted to learn more. I have. Among other things I learned here was that there is reason to believe this allegation, not from the author of this thread alone, but from Dr. Alice von Hildebrand. See the interview with her I posted.

Second, after attacks unrelenting, I am now asking for your help in the fraternal correction of the attacker. I remind you and him of the Catechism:

"2478 To avoid rash judgement, everyone should be careful to interpret insofar as possible his neighbor's thoughts, words, and deeds in a favorable way:

Every good Christian ought to be more ready to give a favorable inerpretation to another's statement than to condemn it. But if he cannot do so, let him ask how the other understands it. Adn if the latter understands it badly, let the former correct him with love. If that does not suffice, let the Christian try all suitable ways to bring the other to a correct interpretation so that he may be saved."

(With gratitude to my friend sitetest who posted this on another thread.)

May God grant each of us the Grace to see His will and to follow, not our own, but His.
141 posted on 07/28/2002 8:53:14 AM PDT by narses
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To: narses
. You became a member on 6/22/02. I think your first post came at 5:01. It was an attack on The Magisterium. You attacked the decision of the Roman Curia that speaks in the name of the Pope and you, intentionally or not, mischaracterised the decison of that Curial Office AND you, mistakenly of falsely, accused one of the Churches involved as being heretical. I have since corrected this error publicly at least three times. Sitetest has corected you on the same error. Patent has corrected you on the same error. I have no doubt you still hold your personal opinion to be the correct one and that you reject the decision of the Magisterium. Youhave eeven said the Mass was invalid AFTER the Curia had taken its decision speaking for the Divinely-constitued authority. You may fool some. You haven't fooled me for an instant.

You have been unrelenting since. I went back and checked. You have a pattern of supporting the sspx schism. I have noted that, so has patent and st chuck; others have also, as I recall. Your posts succoring the schism of the sspx are taken from public opponents of the Pope - The Remnant,Catholic Family News, Seattle Catholic etc. You may fool some folks. You do not fool me.

An OVERWHELMING percentage of your posts concerning the Pope or The Magisterium are attacks, some subtle, some bold. You have yet to post a piece defending the Pope in any controversial aspect of his Papacy. You always side with those who cast his actions in a negative light. You may fool some folks. You don't fool me. There ARE perfectly rational and defensible explanations for why the Pope does what he does. You have never posted them. When those explanations ARE posted, from the TCRnews website, you place yourself in opposition to those articles. You may fool some folks. You don't fool me.

142 posted on 07/28/2002 8:53:25 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: narses
First, the claim has been made that I posted this thread to harm the Church and cause fear among the faithful

I agree with the handsome man that posted that. When one considers the universe of sources from which you select to post about The Catholic Hierarchy, The Magisterium or The Pope, one sees they are The Remnant, an infamous paper publicly in defiance of the authority of the Pope, edited by Matt who signed a public declaration opposing the Pope; Catholic Family News, am infamous paper publicly in defiance against competent authorities and edited by Vennari who sisgned a public declaration opposing the Pope, The Seattle Catholic which specialises in trashing the Pope and considers that in conjunction with this from some protestant who thinks the Church is run by commies then it appears your please are disingenuous.

Youhave yet to cite ONE post of yours that argues IN FAVOR of the Magisterium or the Pope on a controverted issue. Any action of the Pope that is a matter of controversy is cast in a NEGATIVE light by you and the sources you post from.

You want to both attack and be seen as the victim. Read what you posted from the catechism and tell me how YOU have applied that to the Holy Father who you have attacked since you first became a member.

I think that 5:01 post on 6/22/02 was the first, wasn't it? It attacked the Magisterium. Yir very first post, at least under the name "narses" is an attack on Divinely-constituted authority.

i know that as a catholic, my first post wasnt an attack on the Pope or The Magisterium. I wonder how many Catholic Freepers DO begin their Freep-career by attacking The Magisterium of Pope?

143 posted on 07/28/2002 9:06:40 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
I will note that Narses has no response to my particular complaints. He just generally complains of my "attacks." He posts from heterodox sites which attack the Pope and which he posts favorably. He NEVER posts from a heterodox site and opposes the content of that site. He cannot cite ONE post that even gives the Pope the benefit of the doubt in a controversy.

And yet he demands that those who do support the Pope treat HIM with more deference, charity and courtesy than he treats the Vicar of Christ. It is pure madness. He elevates himself above the Pope. He must be accorded the status of an innocent victim - even though I have cited how he goes to sites that oppose the Pope in any controversy about the Pope - but he is at liberty to, without opposition, accuse the Pope of error, novelty and bad Catholic practice even though there is a MOUNTAIN of evidence available that what the Pope does is not only permissible but traditional and heroic. Buthe NEVER gives the Pope even the benefit of the doubt. When the evidence is presented, like when TCR evidence was cited, narses savegly attacked Mr. hand. Again, a double standard. He can attack whom he chooses to but woe betide that man who decides wo withstand him to his face.

For narses, the Pope is guilty as charged. No need of a trial. Narses? Why he is just a sweet, little innocent person whose actions may NEVER be questioned.

Odd when one so offensive against the Vicar of Christ thinks himself free from anything that offends him personally

144 posted on 07/28/2002 9:24:45 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: narses
I have to admit it's been a hoot watching the likes of Sinkspur allege conspiracy AND defend the Pope!

I still don't know what's going on but rest assured your best bet is to ignore the whole thing.

145 posted on 07/28/2002 9:36:01 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: narses
that there is reason to believe this allegation

Undoubtedly.

In fact, while I cannot bring myself to include the Holy Father, I wouldn't doubt that the election of a Polish Pope to coincide with Poland's "Solidarity" as foreshadowing of Perestroika is probably not out of the question. Then again, I've spent far more time analyzing communists than I have the Vatican so perhaps have a greater respect for their ability to accomplish long-range objectives than the Church's who -- in my lifetime, anyway -- has proven extraordinarily weak and subject to corruption, heresy and rebellion.

I don't think anyone here fools themselves into believing the smoke of Satan hasn't entered the sanctuary. We know for a fact the faithful at the Vatican are surrounded by piranhas. I see no reason a certain Use of the papacy (which perhaps backfired when the assassin failed to kill him) is out of the question.

I am a huge fan of John Paul II's writings and believe his travels have indeed borne much fruit. That said, I couldn't care less about his Popularity Index and find the idea of a cult of Personality about the Pope unsettling.

It's precisely that sort of emotion-based adulation which tees the ball for them to try and install their own Pope.

I see nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade where the Pope's words and actions -- outside of his ex cathedra or doctrinal teaching -- are concerned. He had no business kissing the Koran as if it were the Gospel. I find his wink-wink, nudge-nudge approach to Medjugorje likewise unsettling. That's a fraud that should have been shut down long ago. The Church has no business engaging in the same self-deluding Pragmatism which has been the ticket to the West's destruction from within.

146 posted on 07/28/2002 9:55:10 AM PDT by Askel5
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I have to admit it's been a hoot watching the likes of Sinkspur allege conspiracy AND defend the Pope!

There's no "conspiracy." Just weirdness.

CG has a point, don't you think? I post an occasional, non-controversial article from NCR (you ought to see the stuff I DON'T post), and get pilloried, yet narses posts from near-schismatic websites almost exclusively. The people on these websites are more brutal to the Pope than anyone I've read in NCR, and patent and CG are the only ones who seem to notice.

147 posted on 07/28/2002 10:26:28 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Askel5
I have to admit it's been a hoot watching the likes of Sinkspur allege conspiracy AND defend the Pope!

There's no "conspiracy." Just weirdness.

CG has a point, don't you think? I post an occasional, non-controversial article from NCR (you ought to see the stuff I DON'T post), and get pilloried, yet narses posts from near-schismatic websites almost exclusively. The people on these websites are more brutal to the Pope than anyone I've read in NCR, and patent and CG are the only ones who seem to notice.

148 posted on 07/28/2002 10:27:28 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Askel5
I have to admit it's been a hoot watching the likes of Sinkspur allege conspiracy AND defend the Pope!

There's no "conspiracy." Just weirdness.

CG has a point, don't you think? I post an occasional, non-controversial article from NCR (you ought to see the stuff I DON'T post), and get pilloried, yet narses posts from near-schismatic websites almost exclusively. The people on these websites are more brutal to the Pope than anyone I've read in NCR, and patent and CG are the only ones who seem to notice.

149 posted on 07/28/2002 10:27:46 AM PDT by sinkspur
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Thanks Sink. You and I do have our disagreements but I have never seen you be duplicitous. You always state what you believe
150 posted on 07/28/2002 10:36:14 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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