Posted on 07/27/2002 4:57:56 PM PDT by narses
With regard to Domestic Church's statement about the generational pain in the unfolding of the Novus Ordo, I know that my father and mother died a thousand deaths as the Church was twisted about by hierarchs, clergy, and religious whose loyalties were somewhere outside of the Church. What a cross so many have had to bear!
I agree. The liberal bishops have empty seminaries, while those who are strict and faithful to the Magisterium have seminaries that are bulging at the seams. I can hardly wait...
Sisters ... Sisters ... there were never such devoted sisters.
AVH: Most of the insights about this come from my husband. He always said that the members of the Church, due to the effects of original sin and actual sin, are always in need of reform. The Churchs teaching, however, is from God. Not one iota is to be changed or considered in need of reform.
<> I remember reading this in TLM when it first came out. I thought the question impertinent and the answer a tragic example of Pride
I cannot think of a single reason why this intelligent woman's personal opinion or the personal opinion of her intelligent husband ought to be considered revelant when opposed to the equally intelligent, but also Saintly, and orthodox, Pope John 23rd.
He, after all, occupied the seat of authority that is Divinely-Constituted<>
<> With all due respect, Ma'am, TLM is trading on your reputation as an intellecttual to label an Ecuemnical Council a demolition. You happen to be correct that many, including especially TLM editors and subscribers, adhere to the influence and advice of intellectuals to oppose an Ecumenical Council but you do not appear to realise the trap into which you have walked<>
Most of the insights about this come from my husband. He always said that the members of the Church, due to the effects of original sin and actual sin, are always in need of reform. The Churchs teaching, however, is from God. Not one iota is to be changed or considered in need of reform.
Do you deny that enemies of the Church existed before, during and after V2? That they tried (and in some cases succeeded) in creating and using ambiguity to attack the True Church?
Call me a KJPL, but I value the thoughts and decisions of a Saintly Pope and the decisions of an Ecumenical Council over the personal opinions of lay intellectuals when it comes to this matter.
IMO, TLM used her as a hammer to beat upon the Divinely-Consituted authority and I think she, naively,allowed herself to be used (even while calling us Americans naive)
The error consists in thinking the Teaching of the Church is untouchable. Doctrine develops and the First Vatican Council finished with its work uncompleted.
The "not one iota is to be changed..." in relation to the Church's Teaching, sounds, to me at least, like the complaints of the Orthodox in re "changing" the Creed.
Doctrine develops and our ever-deeping understandimg of the Original Deposit of Faith is infallibly guided by the Holy Spirit and nobodyincluding intellectuals, can contend against an Ecumenical Council. Period.<>
Call me a KJPL, but I value the thoughts and decisions of a Saintly Pope and the decisions of an Ecumenical Council over the personal opinions of lay intellectuals when it comes to this matter.
IMO, TLM used her as a hammer to beat upon the Divinely-Consituted authority and I think she, naively,allowed herself to be used (even while calling us Americans naive)
The error consists in thinking the Teaching of the Church is untouchable. Doctrine develops and the First Vatican Council finished with its work uncompleted.
The "not one iota is to be changed..." in relation to the Church's Teaching, sounds, to me at least, like the complaints of the Orthodox in re "changing" the Creed.
Doctrine develops and our ever-deeping understandimg of the Original Deposit of Faith is infallibly guided by the Holy Spirit and nobodyincluding intellectuals, can contend against an Ecumenical Council. Period.<>
"Rejoice! Again I say, Rejoice!"
Just thought this bore repeating...
It is one of the fears I have about traditional Catholics. Some flirt with fanaticism. A fanatic is one who considers truth to be his personal possession instead of Gods gift. We are servants of the truth, and it is as servants that we seek to share it.
I am very concerned that there are fanatical Catholics who use the Faith and the truth it proclaims as an intellectual toy. An authentic appropriation of the truth always leads to a striving for holiness. The Faith, in this present crisis, is not an intellectual chess game. For anyone not striving for holiness, thats all it will ever be. Such people do more harm to the Faith, particularly if they are proponents of the traditional Mass.
<> I assumed this part was rhetorical<>
That they tried (and in some cases succeeded) in creating and using ambiguity to attack the True Church
<> I am not sure what you are getting at. I htink I do, but, could you elaborate a bit?<>
I love Alice Von Hildebrand. I have a couple of books by her husband Dietrich... he's brilliant as well.
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